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Message 1280964 - Posted: 7 Sep 2012, 11:18:39 UTC
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It is possible that 1 billion years ago a Terminator King some intelligence has sent a bacteria to destroy this planet so after 1 billion years later one type of mammal emerge and execute 1 billion year prior destructive genetic program code and pollute air water soil the key basis of this planet.
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Message 1280974 - Posted: 7 Sep 2012, 12:11:08 UTC - in response to Message 1280958.  
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So, you are purporting that God and Jesus are merely visitors from some other planet who also happen to be much more advanced than we were 2,000 years ago or now for that matter. In my mind that moves them out of the running for being God.

Bob,
Yes, thats exactly it. Exactly as you just described there! The bible is really easy to understand. It clearly says that Jesus was a Man, a human being. He looked just like you. The only major difference is that they had science and everyone else didn't. Its that simple Bob! To someone with no scientific education, if that person watches a really good scientist doing clever stuff, the guy with no science education will view the scientist as a "God-like" person. Its like watching a magician doing magic tricks. If the magician does not tell you how the trick works, you will be amazed and you will almost revere the magician as being "God-like".

Right now today, we have roughly about 80% of the rules that govern all of science. So today we still have lots more to learn to fill in the other 20% gap in our scientific knowledge. But Bob, that last 20% of the scientific knowledge is the most fascinating of all!

Once we fill in the gaps in our science knowledge, then Jesus will return!

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Message 1282741 - Posted: 12 Sep 2012, 4:29:19 UTC

For some reason Ive been banned from UFO Casebook files big loss. LOL I had a running discusion about UFOs but nothing derogotory but physics sense cant beat physics laws.
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Message 1282851 - Posted: 12 Sep 2012, 11:19:20 UTC - in response to Message 1282609.  
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Once we fill in the gaps in our science knowledge, then Jesus will return!


Are you suggesting physically, or metaphorically as in more understanding ....

Chris,
The Messiah will physically return, in person. Just like it says in the bible. Its not my personal opinion Chris. Its the words that are written down in the bible, the words of God and Jesus themselves.

When it happens, and it will happen very soon, the only people that will know what to do will be the people that truly understand the bible, and the prophesy in the bible.

The future of humanity, all 7 billion people alive today, and all the people that ever lived and died, is all written down in advance. The people that kept the commandments of God during their lives, will be re-born and made immortal. And they will govern the whole world from one central government in the New Jerusalem. And the Messiah will be King, the King of Kings, just like the bible says.

Everyone else that did not keep God's commandments will be judged according to their acts and deeds they did during their lives. So Adolf Hitler and people similar to him that did bad things during their lives will not enjoy their re-birth. They will face a jury made up of the people they tortured and killed. But people who kept God's commandments and did good things, will really enjoy their new life they have been given.

The new world government, which will be governed by the Messiah, will have a governing body made up of the Saints, Martyrs and Prophets at the top. Under them will be the 144,000 "Elect". These 144,000 people will be elected through public world wide elections. Their will be 12,000 from each of the 12 original tribes of Israel. And each of those 12,000 will be elected by their own tribe members. There will be no corruption as every part of the election will be based on the good deeds people did during their lives. They will be elected on merit based on God's law, not man-made laws. You literally can't buy your way into heaven. You earn it according to God's law that is written in the bible.

So exactly how many people will get eternal life?
Answer - Very few!
Through out the whole of human history, very few people have kept all of God's commandments, every single one of them, all their lives. And the bible is complex, God made several "covenants" with the biblical prophets, and to get eternal life, you would have had to live your life keeping ALL the covenants without breaking any of them.

So what happens to those who led good lives but occasionally broke some of God's commandments?
Answer - Everybody will be re-born, everybody gets rebirth. You could call it a "second chance". But the re-birth will be with the same identical genetic code you have today. Today your genetic code is "programmed" to give you a life-span of 120 years max! Most people live to about 75 or 85 years. If you broke God's commandments, you will be re-born with the same life-span. But you will also have to face the jury to answer for your wrong doing during your life. But the Saints, Martyrs and Prophets who did exceptional things for God during their lives, will be re-born with an immortal genetic code. They will be exactly the same person, but the genetic code will be programmed to give them extremely long lives, possibly way in excess of a thousand years.

Don't believe me? Then read it yourself;
Book of Revelation; http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+1&version=NIV

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Message 1282905 - Posted: 12 Sep 2012, 16:30:36 UTC

Wwll, Christ said "Prostitutes and Publicans will precede you in the Kingdom of Heaven". I believe in Christ, not in the Bible.
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Message 1282917 - Posted: 12 Sep 2012, 16:55:08 UTC

Nuremberg Germany UFO Battle (1561)

Nuremberg Battle

One of the earliest of documented sightings of aerial phenomena took place on April 4, 1561 at dawn over Nuremberg, Germany. What was described as a war in the heavens, with a wide variety of craft ranging from spheres to spear-like cylinders to crosses and "plates". The sky was apparently filled with the machines, clashing in battle for well over an hour. The battle was such that a winner was perceived as well. Spheroid UFOs were seen emerging from cylindrical 'motherships'. At the conclusion of the battle, it seems a magnificent, black, spear-like super-ship of some kind came upon the scene. An ancient woodcut (click image to view full-size picture) was created by Hans Glaser to document the event. A second woodcut was created by an unknown artist (see below) that depicts the same event.

The woodcut shows two people apparently witnessing the event. Hundreds of oddly shaped and colorful objects fill the sky above. The woodcut also seems to indicate that two of the objects may have crashed to the ground (bottom right in the above picture).

It began at dawn, as dozens, if not hundreds, of crosses, globes and tubes fought each other above the city. It ended an hour later, when "the globes in the small and large rods flew into the sun," and several of the other objects crashed to earth and vanished in a thick cloud of smoke. According to the Nuremberg Gazette, the "dreadful apparition" filled the morning sky with "cylindrical shapes from which emerged black, red, orange and blue-white spheres that darted about." Between the spheres, there were "crosses with the color of blood." (i.e. red crosses) This "frightful spectacle" was witnessed by "numerous men and women." Afterwards, a "black, spear-like object" appeared.

The author of the Gazette warned its readers:

The God-fearing will by no means discard these signs, but will take it to heart as a warning of their merciful Annunciation with St. Emidius Father in heaven, will mend their lives and faithfully beg God, that he avert His wrath, including the well-deserved punishment, on us, so that we may, temporarily here and perpetually there, live as His children.

A similar reporting occurred just five years later in Basle Switzerland. On August 7, 1566, at dawn, many citizens of Basle (Switzerland), frightened, saw during several hours the black spheres involved in a formidable aerial battle, invading the sky of their city: The city's gazette recorded:

At the time when the sun rose, one saw many large black balls which moved at high speed in the air towards the sun, then made half-turns, banging one against the others as if they were fighting a battle out a combat, a great number of them became red and igneous, thereafter they were consumed and died out.

It should be pointed out that the descriptions and woodcuts are attempts by artists nearly 500 years ago, to depict an event that they potentially could not comprehend. Some have pointed out that the woodcuts and descriptions of the event sound very much like a modern day "dogfight" between planes of opposing forces. The black circles in the woodcut look very similar to explosions in the sky as photographed by World War II reporters. In addition, the cross shaped vehicles look very similar to the profile of a World War II fighter ascending in a steep climb. As such, some have proposed that the events witnessed were actually old World War II battles and that some sort of slip in space/time allowed the 16th century town to witness an event that would not occur for another 400 years.

To date, the only original source we've discovered that recorded this incident is the 1958 book, A Modern Myth: things seen in the skies (Ein moderner Mythus Von Dingen, die am Himmel gesehen werden).
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Message 1282921 - Posted: 12 Sep 2012, 16:59:13 UTC

Medieval Sighting Reports - Various Sources

AD 830 and 833, Lyons, France:
Historical record states that several "wonderfully constructed aerial ships" appeared over Lyons, France between 830 and 833 AD. These ships were witnessed by hundreds of people, a few of which were taken aboard the crafts. Archbishop Agobard rescued and later interviewed a small group of abductees who were attacked by frightened mobs upon their return.

AD 842, France:
Multicolored armies were seen marching in the sky...These sightings of infernal armies were nocturnal. They several times accompanied the siege of Jerusalem.

AD 919, Hungary:
Spherical objects shinning like stars, bright and polished, were reported going to and fro in the sky.

AD 927, the town of Verdum, France:
The whole Eastern part of France saw fiery armies in the sky. During these times of Charlemagne there were 'penalties against creatures that travel in aerial ships. 3 people who came down from one of these ships were 'crazy enough to call themselves wizards', the mob of people who witnessed their descenct killed these people and the bodies were nailed to boards and were placed in the river.

AD 1254, January 1, at St. Alban's Abbey:
At midnight, in a serene sky and clear atmosphere, stars shinning and the moon 8 days old, there suddenly appeared a large ship, elegantly shaped, well equipped and of marvelous color.

AD 1461, November 1:
A strange object shaped like a ship, from which fire was seen flowing, passed over the town Arras, France.

AD 1752, Augermanland Sweden:
Luminous shperes were seen coming out of a bright cylinder.

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UFOs were frequently seen over England and France in the 8th and 9th centuries. Charlemagne, Emperior of France, called them the "evil spirits of the air."

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According to legends told throughout Europe for thousands of years, the Incubus and the Sucubus (small male and female "demons") visit people in the night for sexual encounters. How similar is this to modern-day cases involving aliens taking egg and sperm samples from unwilling participants in the middle of the night?

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Alexander the Great reported witnessing UFOs observing one of his battles from the air.
The following passage was translated from Egyptian hieroglyphics dating back to the 15th century BC ...
"A circle of fire coming in the sky, noiseless, one rod long with its body and one rod wide. After some days these things became more numerous, shining more than the brightness of the sun."

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Part of the annals of Thutmose III, who reigned around 1504 - 1450 B.C., records what appears to be a fleet of flying craft. They were described as "a circle of fire that was coming in the sky...It had no head, the breath of its mouth had a foul odor. Its body one rod long and one rod wide. It had no voice." Following this sighting, many others followed as the papyrus goes on. Found on the Temple ceiling at Abydos;

The hieroglyphics above are taken from an Egyptian tomb. Note the modern jet like glyph, the helicopter on the left, surprising since this artwork is more than 5,000 years old.

A 3,400 year old papyrus scrolls belonging to Egyptian Pharoah Thutmose III describe a group of fiery circles that were seen flying through the sky over his army.

In AD 400, Panodorus, an Egyptian monk wrote:

"From the creation of Adam, indeed down to Enoch and to the general Cosmic Year 1,282, the number of days was known in neither month nor year but the Egregori ('watchers' or 'angels') descended to Earth in the general Cosmicm Year 1,000, held converse with men and taught them that the orbits of the two luminaries being marked by the 12 signs of the Zodiac are composed of 360 parts."

In AD 1027, August, Cairo:
Numerous noisy objects were reported.

The following passage was translated from Egyptian hieroglyphics dating back to the 15th
century BC ...

"A circle of fire coming in the sky, noiceless, one rod long with its body and one rod wide. After
some days these things became more numerous, shining more than the brightness of the sun."
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Message 1282928 - Posted: 12 Sep 2012, 17:05:27 UTC

:. Renaissance Art http://lithiumdreamer.tripod.com/ufoart.html

The appearance of fiery chariots and hovering discs in Renaissance Era paintings - as well as beings working their controls and/or attired in garb that we commonly recognize today as spacesuits - proves, at least, that UFOs were being sighted in medieval times. While no direct connection can be isolated from this, between space aliens and religious icons, there certainly is a lot of supernatural phenomena associated in and around these depictions.
The common images of one or more hovering saucer shaped metallic craft, often with highly intense beams of light emanating from the bottom, intelligently controlled and traveling at outrageous speeds - as if the artists witnessed these things first hand - are not in any sense ordinary events, even in modern times. It is extremely hard to find mention of these events, but they do exist - as scattered fragments, vague remnants, survivors of censorship.

One possible explanation is that these paintings were commissioned (by the church or the state) to place these phenomena in a deified context. Officially declared to be the vessels of angels, the peasants would ask fewer annoying questions - that likely, the clergy of the day had scant answers for themselves. It is likely that ancient UFO sightings coincided with important historical and political events - and just as likely that the sightings impressed, or pressured, leaders of the day to take bold, or unusual actions.

One set of images depicts a late 8th century battle, in which Saxon Crusaders besieged and surrounded the people of Sigiburg Castle, in France - when suddenly a group of saucers appeared in the sky, apparently hovering over the top of the church. The Saxons fled, believing that the French were being protected by the "flaming shields."

It was a very superstitious time - but people, as today, knew what they saw - though they probably had little context to associate with it. While there were certainly no flying machines (designed by humans) in those times, there were sailing ships - people were familiar with portholes. Some depictions illustrate these and other classic UFO details - begging the question: what did the ancients think of flying saucers?

Today, we are more comfortable with the idea of beings from outer space. For one thing, we know our world to be a planet, orbiting a star that is one of billions in a rather ordinary galaxy, floating somewhere in the vast reaches of the incalculably infinite universe. People of ancient times were told quite the contrary - that Earth was the center of the universe, the planets were gods, and the stars were fixed points of light on the inside of a celestial sphere. Any close encounter of any kind would most likely have been met with immediate extreme fear and wonder (as is the case today, for the most part), but considered without question to be angels, gods, demons or monsters. Their assertions may have been more on the mark than ours.

There were no airplanes, weather balloons, or experimental military jets to explain away the UFOs native to the skies of the pre industrial aeons. Events such as these would not have been as easily dismissed. Would those who witnessed such craft or encountered such beings first hand, be feared as witches, seen as cursed ~ or even blessed? A medieval abductee might descend from the mountain saying, in a reverent but dazed tone, "I have been touched by the angels."



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~ "The Baptism of Christ" ~
Fitzwilliam Musuem, Cambridge, England
Painted in 1710 by Flemish artist Aert De Gelder
depicts a classic, hovering, silvery, saucer shaped UFO
shining beams of light down on John the Baptist and Jesus.
What could have inspired the artist to combine these two subjects?
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"The Crucifixion" hangs above the altar at the Visoki Decani Monestary in Kosovo, Yugoslavia ~ it was painted in 1350.
On either side of Jesus are a pair of Jetsons like skycars, one chasing the other ~ the pilots apparently working controls.
The leading craft is decorated with two twinkling stars, one reminiscent of national insignia on modern aircraft
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Could there possibly have been sightings of UFOs like these, single pilot craft, in medieval Yugoslavia?
Did people of the time merely imagine the inside and workings ~ or did they witness it for themselves?
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~ "The Madonna with Saint Giovannino" ~
Above Mary's left shoulder is a shining, or glowing, disk shaped object.
A man and his dog can clearly be seen looking up at the floating object in the composite below.
Painted in the 15th century, Palazzo Vecchio lists the artist as unknown ~ although attributed to the Lippi school.
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Upon closer inspection, the man seems to be looking away from the UFO, behind him and over his shoulder.
Or, more likely, the notably out of place object may be imagined floating above the ground between them.
From either perspective, could Mary be seen as blocking the two babies from the flying saucer's view?
Perhaps the dog glimpses the hovering object ~ with it's mouth open, it could even be barking at it.
But what is that dark, sparkling, disassembled figure beside them ~ a dwarf, or an ethereal being?
A body, legs, head, and tail can be made out. Could this represent a type of alien, or demon?
Also, Mary's halo seems a bit shadowy ~ more like a vaporous disc than a ring of light.
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~ "The Annunciation" ~
painted by Carlo Crivelli in 1486
on display in the National Gallery in London.
A familiar disk shaped object is shining a beam of light
through the house wall and down onto the top of Mary's head.
Much activity is going on in this painting, besides people pointing
~ filled with cryptic symbolism, the meanings lost to modern researchers.
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What are the strange, ethereal, almost surreal, objects floating above Mary's doorway?
Who is it peeking out from the doorway at the top of the alley stairs on the far left center?
Who is lying on the bed behind Mary ~ and why aren't the people in the street looking up?
What is the disturbance in the clouds, behind the UFO, exactly opposite the energy beam?
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"Glorification of the Eucharist" ~ painting by Bonaventura Salimbeni.
Painted in 1600, today it hangs in the church of San Lorenzo in San Pietro, Montalcino, Italy
Notice the Sputnik Satellite like device that some consider to be a stylized representation of the Earth

Glorification of the Eucharist" - From: A UFO in Pianello?
Ufologists from all parts of the globe come to Montalcino to stare at this amazing painting. Read the story, but you’ll need to come and see it for yourself – only you can decide!
The painting is structured vertically and the Holy Eucharist is placed in the geometric centre surrounded by various holy people and priests on each side. In the upper part of the painting the Holy Trinity is depicted: On the right is God the Father, on the left is God the Son, and above Them in the centre, is the Dove which represents the Holy Spirit. In the lower left one of the people wears a crown similar to that of a Pope – it is believed to be Pope Clemente VII.

But what’s this strange object in the upper centre? What is it that sits between God the Father and God the Son, directly below the Dove? Is it not a shining almost metallic coloured sphere with a strange glow rising at the top? And what are those two long straight rods attached to the surface of the sphere? The rods appear to widen at the bottom to form a round base on the sphere, while at the very tip of the narrow end of the rod, we find a tiny round ball.

Why is God the Father holding on to one rod, and God the Son holding the other? Are these rods some kind of antennae? Look again at the sphere. What is that small round tube shaped protrusion at the bottom left? It is very evident to the eye, but could it be possible? Is it a telescope…or a tiny telecamera?

Perhaps you remember man’s first venture into space, the years of the ‘sputniks’? This painting has Ufologists baffled because this sphere is uncannily reminiscent of early satellites launched into space during the 1950’s. The Vangard II satellite launched by the USA in 1959, for example.

This painting was put to canvas in the year 1600. What did Bonaventura Salimbeni see in the skies above Sienese territory more than four hundred years ago? What on earth – or in space – prompted him to depict the Holy Trinity in this strange manner?


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~ "The Assumption of the Virgin" ~
Painted circa 1490 ~ by an unknown artist.
Saucer shaped "clouds" intrigue modern ufologists.
Could so many have appeared in the sky at one time?
Or, are the hat shaped UFOs depicted so numerous here
to -punctuate- certain events as being particularly holy?


In this painting on wood drawer from furniture kept at the Earls D’Oltremond, in Belgium,
Moses is depicted receiving the tablets of the Ten Commandments, with "flaming horns."
Several equally flaming objects are in the sky before him ~ date and artist are unknown.





Domino or "cigar shaped" craft also appear in ancient art ~ Notabilia Temporum by Angelo de Tummulillis
(left) describes a "flaming girder" sighted in February 1465 the sky during the reign of Enrico IV
~ a similar renaissance illustration (right) of a UFO sighting in that occurred in Rome
detailed in the book "Prodigiorum Liber" by Roman historian Julio Obsequens.
The caption translates: "Something like a sort of weapon, or missile,
rose with a great noise from the earth and soared into the sky."
They resemble the monoliths featured in the movie 2001.

In this ancient Mandarin Chinese painting,
the characters are dressed alike, in blue and black.
Also, the bald heads are reminiscent of the classic Grays.
The flags depicted resemble flames, as from a rocket's exhaust
while the tassels look like helmets and faces can almost be made out
creating the general impression of robed beings - possibly symbolic spirits?



Caption: "These two people want to go on a journey by cart towards the West wind.
After 1000 miles they meet the East wind and then decide to return" (loosely translated).
Although not solid evidence that the ancient Chinese knew of alien visitors, or their sky carts,
there are enough tantalizing clues in the illustration and text to suggest an ancient UFO sighting.


These two tapestries were created in the 15th century.
Both are located at the French Basillica Notre-Dame in Beaune, Burgandy.
Hat shaped objects can be clearly seen in both tapestries which depict the life of Mary.
The above tapestry is entitled "The Magnificat" ~ the below tapestry's title is unknown.

~ England UFO Sighting from 1742 ~
~ UFO Sighting from Westminster, England in 1742 ~
This is a scan from Vol. 42 of the Philosophical Transactions 1742
describing a UFO sighting that occurred on the 16th of December in that year.
Below is a contemporary reconstruction depicting the object with the colors described.


As I was returning home from the Royal Society to Westminster
on Tuesday, Dec. 16, 1742 h. 8. 40' p. m. being about the
Middle of the Parade in St. James's Park, I saw a Light arise from
behind the Trees and Houses in the S. by W. Point, which I took
at first for a large Sky-Rocket ; but when it had risen to the Height
of about 20 Degrees, it took a Motion nearly parallel to the Hori-
zon, but waved in this manner,

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and went on to the N. by E. .Point over the Houses. It seemed
to be very near, that I thought it passed over Queen's Square,
the Island in the Park, cross the Canal, and I lost sight of it over
the Haymarshes. Its Motion was so very slow that I had it above
half a minute in view; and therefore had Time enough to contemplate
its Appearance fully, which was what is seen in the annexed figure,

A seemed to be a light Flame, turning backwards from the Resist
-ance the Air made to it. B B a bright fire like burning charcoal,
inclosed as it were in an open Case, of which the Frame CCC was
quite opaque, like Bands of Iron. At D issued forth a Train or
Tail of light Flame, more bright at D, and glowing gradually
fainter at E, so as to be transparent more than half its length.
The Head seemed about half a Degree in Diameter, the Tail next 3
Degrees in length, and above one Eighth of a Degree in Thickness.
C.M.



UFO sighting from Windsor Castle - August 18, 1783
From: Historical Artwork and UFOs by Matthew Hurley
The above illustration depicts a sighting that occurred at 9.45pm on the evening of 18th August 1783 when four witnesses on the terrace of Windsor Castle observed a luminous object in the skies of the Home Counties of England. The sighting was recorded the following year in the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society. According to this report, witnesses observed an oblong cloud moving more or less parallel to the horizon. Under this cloud could be seen a luminous object which soon became spherical, brilliantly lit, which came to a halt; This strange sphere seemed at first to be pale blue in colour but then its luminosity increased and soon it set off again towards the east. Then the object changed direction and moved parallel to the horizon before disappearing to the south-east; the light it gave out was prodigious; it lit up everything on the ground. The image was captured in this by Thomas Sandby (a founder of the Royal Academy) and his brother Paul, both of whom witnessed the event.



17th Century fresco depicting the Crucifixion of Christ,
located in the Svetishoveli Cathedral in Mtskheta, Georgia.
Notice the two saucer shaped objects on either side of Christ
~ complete with stylized flames, blasting off in either direction.



In the two blow ups (below) you can see that they contain faces.
Certainly ancient UFOs were associated with the highest of divinity
~ but were the requisite lights perhaps thought to be the eyes of angels?







Image from the French book
"Le Livre Des Bonnes Moeurs"
by Jacques Legrand, 1338 (left).
Sphere resembles a Montgolfiere
(French for baloon) but there were
no balloons 14th centurey France.
Notice also: several daylight stars,
the monstrous faces in the rocks
and the men are offering seeds?




~"The Miracle of the Snow" ~
by Masolino Da Panicale circa 1400
(right) from Florence, Italy ~ in the
Church of Santa Maria Maggiore,
depicting Jesus and Mary on very
non vaporous "lenticular clouds"
(flat and circular), or accompanied
by an armada of flying saucers
stretching beyond the horizon.



Illustration of a Nuremburg
UFO sighting, April 14, 1561.
Held at the Wickiana Collection
~ in the Zurich Central Library
From a woodcut by Hans Glasser,
it appeared in a local broadsheet
(see caption quoted below).

A 1479 sighting over Arabia,
from "Prodigiorum Ac Ostentorum
Chronicon" by Conrad Lycosthenes
Originally published in 1557,
the book is held at the
Australian Museum
Research Library.


"The globes, crosses and tubes began to fight one another, and this went on for an hour. Then they all fell to earth, as if on fire, and faded slowly away producing a lot of steam. Afterwards a black spear-like object was seen, and the whole event was taken to be a divine warning."




Broadsheet picture by Samuel Coccius illustrates many flaming and "large black globes"
that were repoted to have appeared in the skies over Basel, Switzerland in 1566.
From the Wickiana Collection, Zurich Central Library, Switzerland.



This 15th century fresco from Kiev
seems to show Jesus in a rocket type device.
Notice that the attendants seem to be wearing helmets
like the glass globe space helmets from popular science fiction
~ more than simple haloes, these completely encircle the heads.



UFO sighting over Hamburg, Germany ~ on November 4, 1697
The objects were described as being "two glowing wheels"
Note: if the round object on the far right is the moon,
the UFOs were either very low or very large.
Notice also the many people pointing
~ this was likely a famous event.



UFO Sighting over Angers France, in 842 AD
(artist and date unknown)






These images from the 12th century manuscript "Annales Laurissenses"
(Latin for "volumes" or "books" about "historical and religious" events)
depicts the Saxon siege of Sigiburg Castle, France, in the year 776.
The Crusaders had the medieval French completely surrounded
when the "flaming shields" suddenly appeared in the sky;
(the manuscript reports this as being over a church).
Assuming the French were being protected,
the Saxons fled in fear from the UFOs.

"La Tebaide" ~ Academy of Florence, painted c.1460-1465 by Paolo Uccello
The close-up (right) shows a reddish, classic saucer shaped UFO near Jesus.
In addition, the tall pine trees in the foreground display the same patterns
as seen in the lenticular clouds of other similar religious UFO paintings.


UFO sighting by two Dutch ships - North Sea, 1660
From: Historical Artwork and UFOs by Matthew Hurley
The illustration depicts a sighting by two Dutch ships in the North Sea of an object moving slowly in the sky. It appeared to be made by two disks of different size. The source for this account is one of the books entitled, "Theatrum Orbis Terrarum" by Admiral Blaeu. These books were compilations of articles by different authors and consisted of detailed accounts of long engagements at sea, cartography information etc.



"Summer's Triumph" ~ tapestry created in Bruges, in 1538 ~ Bayerisches National Museum.
Several disc shaped objects are clearly depicted in the sky, near the top of the tapestry.
The inclusion of "hat ships" in this work may have been a shrewd political move
designed to sway local opinion, by connecting UFOs to the current rulers
~ and therefore claiming divine intervention in their ascent to power.



This illustration depicts the sighting of a burning wheel over Japan, in the year 900 AD.
The winged creature on the left may be seen waving to, or flying away from the craft
~ but more likely waving goodbye to the two venerable monks on the right,
who may symbolically represent Grays, (artist and date unknown).
Many ancient Eastern cultures are known to have advanced,
incongruous knowledge of science that may be explained
by an exchange of knowledge with extraterrestrials.
Could this image be depicting an actual event?



Nankin, China ~ September 28, 1890
Drawn by painter Wu You-run, one of over
100 gathered on the Shu Que bridge, to see a
"red fireball that moved slowly to the east."
The UFO (faint, circled) is described as
"looking like an egg but not shining."
An old man said, "when the ball appeared,
I heard a very loud sound like running man."




Haratonohama, Hitachi, Japan ~ 1803
The book "Ume No Chiri" (Dust of Apricot)
tells us that a "foreign ship and crew" was once
witnessed at Haratonohama (Haratono Seashore)
in Hitachi no Kuni (Ibaragi Prefecture), Japan.
The outer shell was made of iron and glass ~
and strange letters were seen inside the ship.
Notice also four examples of alien heiroglyphs.




From: Historical Artwork and UFOs by Matthew Hurley
The above image comes from the 10th Century Tibetan translation of the Sanskrit text "Prajnaparamita Sutra", held at a Japanese museum. In the enlargement you can see two objects that look like hats, but why are they floating in mid air? Also one of them appears to have port holes on it. Indian Vedic texts are full of descriptions of Vimanas. The Ramayana describes Vimanas as a double decked, circular or cylindrical aircraft with portholes and a dome. It flew with "the speed of the wind" and gave forth a "melodious sound."
Does anyone have any information on this image? [below] You can just make out six silvery saucer shaped objects.


~ UFO Coin, 1680 ~
French Medal apparently commemorating
a UFO sighting of a wheel like object in Renaissance France [img][/img]
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Message 1282949 - Posted: 12 Sep 2012, 17:25:11 UTC

There is one message that has never changed since the beginning of man kind and it is the message written in everyone that has ever lived or existed its the message in our DNA that has never changed. Once we have figured out how to convert that message to something we can understand , how we became what we are and will be , and that everything that exist came from the stars, only then will we understand our purpose for being here.
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Message 1282976 - Posted: 12 Sep 2012, 18:39:18 UTC

So much for "SETI@Home Science". They should just rename this forum to SETI@Home Conspiracy Theories and Unproven Ideas.

I officially give up on trying to encourage this group to skeptically question what they think they believe to be truth.
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Message 1283038 - Posted: 12 Sep 2012, 23:27:17 UTC - in response to Message 1282949.  

There is one message that has never changed since the beginning of man kind and it is the message written in everyone that has ever lived or existed its the message in our DNA that has never changed. Once we have figured out how to convert that message to something we can understand , how we became what we are and will be , and that everything that exist came from the stars, only then will we understand our purpose for being here.

I agree 100%!

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Message 1283040 - Posted: 12 Sep 2012, 23:28:53 UTC - in response to Message 1282976.  
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So much for "SETI@Home Science". They should just rename this forum to SETI@Home Conspiracy Theories and Unproven Ideas.

I officially give up on trying to encourage this group to skeptically question what they think they believe to be truth.

Ozzfan,
Ok, i second that motion! From this day forward, this forum will be known as;
SETI@Home Conspiracy Theories and Unproven Ideas

What a great idea!....LOL....:)

But we will need another forum for you Ozzfan. Can i suggest;
SETI@Home ultra pure scientific skeptics forum

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Message 1283055 - Posted: 13 Sep 2012, 0:29:05 UTC - in response to Message 1283040.  

So much for "SETI@Home Science". They should just rename this forum to SETI@Home Conspiracy Theories and Unproven Ideas.

I officially give up on trying to encourage this group to skeptically question what they think they believe to be truth.

Ozzfan,
Ok, i second that motion! From this day forward, this forum will be known as;
SETI@Home Conspiracy Theories and Unproven Ideas

What a great idea!....LOL....:)

But we will need another forum for you Ozzfan. Can i suggest;
SETI@Home ultra pure scientific skeptics forum

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No, a forim based on actual science would suffice.
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Message 1283457 - Posted: 14 Sep 2012, 5:21:27 UTC

Going a little off the subject here but I tend to wonder if mankind is not going in the right direction with UFO's, here we spend a lot of money and time and resources on the ability of trying to find life on other planets. while we can only hope that one day we will. But what if we took this from another angle and made our solar system a giant beacon where we tagged asteroids and planets with beacons that could be seen or heard from outside of our solar system? If the earth is the tiny needle in the hay stack why not make it easier to find, and tell the universe we are here?
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Message 1284350 - Posted: 16 Sep 2012, 2:35:19 UTC - in response to Message 1283457.  

Going a little off the subject here but I tend to wonder if mankind is not going in the right direction with UFO's, here we spend a lot of money and time and resources on the ability of trying to find life on other planets. while we can only hope that one day we will. But what if we took this from another angle and made our solar system a giant beacon where we tagged asteroids and planets with beacons that could be seen or heard from outside of our solar system? If the earth is the tiny needle in the hay stack why not make it easier to find, and tell the universe we are here?

There is a large contingent of people who think such a beacon is not a very good idea. Maybe for our stage of development it is best that we stay undiscovered and under the radar. On the other hand maybe our pressence is well known and are on a black list of planets that are off limits as we have still failed to demonstrate any ability to get along with our neighbors here on earth, let alone any galactic neighbors.
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Message 1284562 - Posted: 16 Sep 2012, 18:23:37 UTC - in response to Message 1284350.  
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Darn it. Link went to the thread rather than the post.. :(

Good Morning Earthlings, I am an undercover E.T. working for my superiors on Sirius A - you know, those 2 stars somewhere in your galaxy.

I've been here long enough to make a detailed report on whether or not we make first contact...........

..........and to be honest, my report will state NO.NO.NO

When asked as to why not? My report will state the following: -

Earthlings cannot work together for a common gaol
They enjoy attacking each other
They hate cultures different from their own
They are power mad
They are greedy
They are untrustworthy
They are too warlike

We should consider sending out a galaxy wide quarantine notice to avoid Earth at all costs!

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Message 1289361 - Posted: 29 Sep 2012, 16:21:42 UTC

Google joins the "UFO" Craze......

UFO's found on Google View

There really are some dumb mutts out there!
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Message 1289545 - Posted: 30 Sep 2012, 0:44:58 UTC - in response to Message 1258812.  

Hi Chris,

I wonder has anyone applied to NASA for experiment time/space on a lunar or mars mission to monitor the EM profile of earth? Knowing how our own inhabited world looks against the cosmic background would surely help. When searching the proverbial haystack it helps to know what the needle looks like.

Just wondering ...

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Message 1289554 - Posted: 30 Sep 2012, 1:40:34 UTC - in response to Message 1261951.  


So pointing out facts, or the other person's lack of evidence is now considered "ridicule"?

Yes! Your pretty sharp!


Ummm... no. That's not ridicule. Ridicule is defined by the dictionary as mockery, derision, taunting, jeering, and scoffing. While I have done those things on occasion when I feel the person is simply being ridiculous, I don't ridicule people who actually bring facts to the table.

So every person that doesn't have an avatar is being "impolite"? I hardly think so. It is my account and I can do with it as I wish so long as it doesn't break the posting rules.

I certainly don't use an image of a glass of Guinness with "Paddy's [sic] in Space" as "putting a name and a face" on you. Nor do I think Misfit a female because of his Avatar. Or Dullnando to be a devil. Again, I ask, "What's in a name?"



OK, I will preface this by saying that I agree with most of the thinking behind your comments but I was wondering if maybe you should consider changing your nick to "Sheldon".

Ahem, also you do seem to have missed the point of the avatar.
I'll have a pint too ..........

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Message 1289561 - Posted: 30 Sep 2012, 2:20:54 UTC - in response to Message 1289554.  

OK, I will preface this by saying that I agree with most of the thinking behind your comments but I was wondering if maybe you should consider changing your nick to "Sheldon".


No, my IQ didn't test as high as Sheldon's. I'm about 27 points lower than he. But I'll gladly take that as a compliment!

Ahem, also you do seem to have missed the point of the avatar.
I'll have a pint too ..........


With all due respect, I don't believe I have. But it would be interesting to ask you what you think the point of his avatar means.
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