Problem is something in the sky is being seen everywhere but at the poles. Pilots with 28 years flying put their reputations on the line.28 Militarys through out the world see someting enough to do studies on them for peroids of time.
It is so much a part of our lives most think you have to be a psycopath to belive. Then there are 3000 cases of trace evidence. The airforce has had ongoing dis-information since 1953 why if they dont exist but 30,000 overflights of the most secure areas in the world and not one shoot down NOT A ONE IN 60 years. Ever ask yourself why.
A manual circa 2009 is UFO recovery and disposal manual one of two found both were genuine with correct stamps and watermarks and signatures. In 1970s Project Blue-Book was disbanded but there is surely something to keep all dis-information going.

Ill will rest my case if you explain what was at Rhedahlshem Air Force base in 1980. 2 countrys report an incident at a nuclear storage area inside the wire. and a human touched a craft swore and signed with over 80 sworn witnesses and civial aircontrolers, joints Chiefs of staff for England and the US. This created a nuclear regulatory incident/accident report. They mustve all been having mass hysteria. And made the misstake of lieing under oath to Joint Chiefs of staff.
If you answer this I will document all your questions with a video response or a direction to where the information can be found..

What you seem to fail to understand is that I'm not saying that certain events never happened. What I have been saying this entire time is that the events that occur are easily explainable given enough information without having to resort to "alien UFOs" which is not a logical conclusion just because people claim it to be.

I can't find any information on Rhedahlshem Air Force base, so I have no idea what you're talking about there. But again, I wouldn't say that there was "mass delusion", more like something weird happened that they can't explain - but that doesn't mean it was alien UFOs. None of them would lie under Oath; they would testify to what they believe they saw, but that doesn't mean what they believe they saw happened as they explain it.

The most funny part in this thread is someone nameless faceless sitting behind keyboard is trying his belief supremacy over career military officers all of them came forward with names and military titles from same nation and renown political figures too.

Ozzfan compare to those military career officers from your country you are nobody even afraid of putting any avatar icon on your account but want to argue with come forward claims.

More he presses his catholic jihadist words more he loses ground.

That is why UFO phenomenon is getting more ground into human civilization and those creator gods religious crap is losing more and more ground.

Is this all you do Orgil? Trash talk the people who don't agree with you or people who think like you? You've accused me of being a "Catholic jihadist", a "gutless coward", a "hypocrite", and you've even accused me of something far worse that was thankfully hidden by the Mods as offensive (I know because I pressed the red "x" and told them about it).

Do you actually consider what you are doing as acceptable behavior? Is this how you think people should treat each other in a discussion, by typing a bunch of libelous stuff about them without an ounce of truth to what you're saying?

If you actually believe your methods of libeling me are acceptable, that would perfectly explain why you think you've actually brought enough evidence to the table to support the idea of alien UFOs visiting our planet, and I needn't address you further.

Anything short of a change in your behavior and an apology for your libel would restore respect. Don't be an idiot all your life.

I agree with Orgil here!

I think its good that people investigate UFO's! I'm really glad that someone is investigating it. Even if we never find proof, its still good to investigate!

Its like this project, the SETI project. SETI has never detected aliens either, in 50 years of searching. But i'm sure most people here will agree that its good to keep investigating SETI. Well i think UFO's are the same. Its important to investigate them. I just don't have the time myself.

Where did Origil say that we need to investigate UFOs, and where has anyone argued that we shouldn't investigate UFOs?

Most certainly I think all strange incidents should be investigated. I just think we need to stop attributing certain events with unproven conclusions unless the evidence supports the claim.

Heres the link to Rhendahlshem forest;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI9ATxRjiMk

Human touched a craft that was on the ground and over 2 consectutive nights on a nuclear storage area. Inside the wire creates a nuclear accident/incident report and turned over to chiefs of staff of two countries in their morning briefs.
This one cannot be explained away as swamp gas or whatever it cant be lied about because sworn testimoney from over 80 people and 120 cilvilians were3 involved. The Ministry of Defence had control and ruked it as a unknown and no threat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxdNsSwMeDQ&feature=related This the actual tapes from the incident.

another thing was trace radation where the craft was on a ground and 3 imprimts in the soil. Radation was 10 times normal. This is the only government case I would belive because it didnt happen upon american soil.

Heres the link to Rhendahlshem forest;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI9ATxRjiMk

I will have to watch the video later since I'm still at work.

Human touched a craft that was on the ground and over 2 consectutive nights on a nuclear storage area. Inside the wire creates a nuclear accident/incident report and turned over to chiefs of staff of two countries in their morning briefs.
This one cannot be explained away as swamp gas or whatever it cant be lied about because sworn testimoney from over 80 people and 120 cilvilians were3 involved. The Ministry of Defence had control and ruked it as a unknown and no threat.

You're still judging facts by the number of people swearing under oath. Again, swearing that they saw something or experienced something specific doesn't mean their testimony is indicative of empirical evidence or data.


This is a perfect scenario: Tupac's ghost performs live. For people unfamiliar with the technology, they would swear that Tupac actually performed live in front of an audience as a ghostly image. In fact, the "technology", known as Pepper's Ghost has been around for over 100 years. Less sophisticated people from that time would easily testify that they had seen a ghost. They knew what they saw or touched. That doesn't mean they actually saw a ghost.


Same applies here. I'm sure lots of people saw something, maybe even touched something. That doesn't mean that it was indeed an alien UFO. Even extremely intelligent people are susceptible to falling prey to "magic" tricks. This is why I keep saying that it doesn't matter how many people witness an event, or what their background is. All that matters is the evidence that the event happened, and if there's a simple, logical way to explain the event, then that is the likely answer.

I was wondering if you know since 1942 over a million sightings around the world non stop. Pilots, scientists, presidents, and other reliable people all see swamp gas or are delusional in mass.
I used to think it was all crap too but so much stuff has come to light that cant be ignored. Watch this video by Dr Woods it has some very interesting points in it.
www.youtube.com/Encyclopedia of Flying Saucers

Ive seen lights in the sky not knowing what they are. In Almagordo when I lived there in the early 50s I got to see the green fireballs. Scream across the sky way faster that any jet but not a sound. I tend to discount lights in the sky at distance and altitude can be anything common, such as aircraft,balloons, satillites.
The fireballs were different in every aspect from any aircraft, what confused me was how they could change direction in a split second.
When in Michagan I got to see a red cylinder hovering motionless for hours over the Erico Fermi powerplant in Michagan in 1965 this happened on two consecutive days in daylight. The thing didnt move looked round guessing maybe 30 feet long about 3000 feet or so. It was amazing to see. It looked like a florecent tube lightbulb dull red in color. I stayed 3 hours first day and went back the next morning and that thing was there again. It just blinked out and never saw it again.

Are we not supposed to be running Seti@home in order to find an intelligent signal coming from the stars, telling that we are not alone in the Universe?

From the beginning, the UFO subject became debunked, because the matter was being investigated by the military because of other events which took place in the late 1940's and 1950's.

Still, there are many credible witnesses among ordinary civilians and at times objects have been observed which are thought not to be coming from earth.

Our own technology appears to be catching up with objects (crafts) which may have been observed. The space shuttle program is as far as I know not currently active, still there is business going on in space - at least we have the International Space Station running and crews manning the station needs to be refreshed at regular times. Also supplies are constantly needed in order for the station to be working.

Also there are stories coming through which tells about possible encounters between humans and extraterrestrial presence in space. Some of these facts are documented and available to viewers by means of YouTube. In the end you are the one who is left to believe whether what is happening is true or not.

So therefore it us for your eyes to decide and believe whether we are alone or not in the Universe.

I was wondering if you know since 1942 over a million sightings around the world non stop. Pilots, scientists, presidents, and other reliable people all see swamp gas or are delusional in mass.
I used to think it was all crap too but so much stuff has come to light that cant be ignored. Watch this video by Dr Woods it has some very interesting points in it.
www.youtube.com/Encyclopedia of Flying Saucers

I know that not a single sighting has enough evidence to support the claim. I've also outlined the logic that if aliens were visiting our planet, there's no way any government agency would be able to hide their existence. Others have outlined the technical limitations to aliens visiting our planet and needing an almost limitless supply of energy to travel such large distances.

Until any of those scientists, military, presidents, governors, and standard citizens can provide extraordinary proof for their extraordinary claims, there simply must be another explanation. I often find when discussing such facts with these people, they purposely discount any inquiries into other possibilities because "they know what they saw". Many of them want it to be true so bad that they aren't willing to believe anything else.

Ive seen lights in the sky not knowing what they are. In Almagordo when I lived there in the early 50s I got to see the green fireballs. Scream across the sky way faster that any jet but not a sound. I tend to discount lights in the sky at distance and altitude can be anything common, such as aircraft,balloons, satillites.
The fireballs were different in every aspect from any aircraft, what confused me was how they could change direction in a split second.
When in Michagan I got to see a red cylinder hovering motionless for hours over the Erico Fermi powerplant in Michagan in 1965 this happened on two consecutive days in daylight. The thing didnt move looked round guessing maybe 30 feet long about 3000 feet or so. It was amazing to see. It looked like a florecent tube lightbulb dull red in color. I stayed 3 hours first day and went back the next morning and that thing was there again. It just blinked out and never saw it again.

And of course the only explanation is alien spacecraft. No other possible explanation exists as long as you don't look for one.

I once believed I had an out of body experience and met God. For a long time I wanted to believe it was true until someone else smarter than me pointed out several flaws with my conclusion - and it also helped that the more I looked for the truth, the more I felt that being honest with myself was important. I now know that I never had an out of body experience and I certainly didn't meet God. My experience was simply due to other stressful factors that I wanted to believe I was more special than I really was.

I'm sure you believe in what you saw, and you probably saw something, but I don't believe what you witnessed was an alien spacecraft or anything of the sort.

Are we not supposed to be running Seti@home in order to find an intelligent signal coming from the stars, telling that we are not alone in the Universe?

Yes, we are searching for the evidence that we are not alone.

Still, there are many credible witnesses among ordinary civilians and at times objects have been observed which are thought not to be coming from earth.

The only credible witness is one that brings empirical evidence with them.

Also there are stories coming through which tells about possible encounters between humans and extraterrestrial presence in space. Some of these facts are documented and available to viewers by means of YouTube. In the end you are the one who is left to believe whether what is happening is true or not.

So therefore it us for your eyes to decide and believe whether we are alone or not in the Universe.

Facts should determined from evidence, not individual perspective or opinion.

The bad part of the UFOs is if they are real and it comes out. It would make every president since Truman lieing denying and hiding or destroying evidence, purgery of all the Airforce brass that lied to congress and denied some presidents any knowledge of their presence and our knowledge and hiding their visitation. By denying what they know about them. This makes a secret hard to hide but whoever is running the show makes it look very much above the laws of the land. Can you think of all the major players like the MJ12 group from then on it is all disinformation campainqne. This disinformation could harmfull to so many players. Why all the fundeded projects to study UFOs if they dont exist but get funds to operate from somewhere and congress didnt have a vote.

Personally I feel UFOs are something important enough to have worldwide symposium on them. I wonder how can so much time effort and money to fund projects that arent even told to congress but important enough to fund as black ops with your money and nobody knows how or where the people come up with the funds. This means government banks and bankers with secret accounts. To keep it secret costs lots of money, "your money" with no chain of command to monitor what is being alloted to what account and from where. Appearantly its untouchible well that never goes dry and no one bothers to find out where the money leads to.

And if God were real, it would also have profound effects on the world. The problem still comes down to the evidence.

Equally, if UFOs do not exist, that would make every UFO hunter either delusional or quite the fool, knowingly or unknowingly lying about the events or lying about the people involved in cover-ups.


Anyone can make claims and suspect cover-ups based upon limited evidence. Where is the corroborating evidence that supports the conclusion?

Heres the link to Rhendahlshem forest;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI9ATxRjiMk

Ah, here we go. The Rendlesham forest incident explained:

The Sci-Fi Channel calls it the most comprehensive cover-up in the history of Britain. It's often called the most important UFO incident of the 20th century. Imagine, alien spacecraft drifting through the woods on the perimeter of a US Air Force Base in England, shining their colored lights around in plain view of pursuing military security personnel, for three nights in a row. And how did the United Kingdom and the United States react to this obvious threat to their nuclear arsenals? They didn't. There's no wonder the Rendlesham Forest UFO Incident is the one that UFOlogists consider the most frightening.

If you watch the Sci-Fi Channel, the History Channel, the Discovery Channel, or any of the other paranormal TV networks, you've probably heard the popular version of events on those three nights. Here are the significant points:

Two old Royal Air Force airfields, RAF Bentwaters and RAF Woodbridge, are situated just two miles apart near the eastern coast of England. Throughout the cold war they were operated by the United States Air Force. On the night of Christmas Day, December 25, 1980, personnel at the base reported bright UFOs streaking through the sky. Later that night, in the wee hours of December 26, security personnel from RAF Woodbridge entered Rendlesham Forest to investigate some strange, pulsating, colored lights moving through the trees, that they thought at first might be a downed aircraft. Local constables were called and also participated in the observation. Base personnel described the craft they pursued as metal and conical, with a bright red light above and a circle of blue lights below, and suspended in a yellow mist. By daylight, they located a clearing where they thought the strangely lit craft had set down, and found three depressions in the ground in a triangular pattern. The constables were called again and photographed and confirmed the landing site.

Two nights later in the wee hours of December 28, they returned to the site, led by Lt. Colonel Charles Halt, second in command at the base. They brought a radiation detector and recorded high levels of radiation at the landing site, again observed the colored, pulsating lights through the trees, and again pursued them through the forest. Other colored lights were seen flying through the sky. Col. Halt recorded the audio of this pursuit on a microcassette. Two weeks later, after debriefing all of his men who participated, he wrote down the specifics of the episode in a signed memo titled "Unexplained Lights", and sent it in to the British Ministry of Defense. Ever since, the airmen involved claim to have been coerced to change their stories and deny that anything happened, and were threatened with comments like "bullets are cheap."

Wow. That story is really something, isn't it? But even more impressive than the story is the documentation, mainly Col. Halt's audio recording and signed memo. You don't rise to be deputy commander of a United States Air Force base with nuclear weapons if you're a nutcase, and when you're accompanied by local police constables and a number of Air Force security personnel who all file written reports, you don't exactly make up ridiculous stories. There's little doubt that Rendlesham Forest probably has the best, most reliable evidence of any popular UFO story.

Ever since I first heard about the Rendlesham Forest incident, I've been as curious as anyone to know what actually happened. So I decided to begin with the null hypothesis — that nothing extraordinary happened — and then examine each piece of evidence that something extraordinary did happen, individually, on its own merit. I wanted to see if we could find a natural explanation for each piece of evidence: You always have to eliminate terrestrial explanations before you can consider the extraterrestrial.

Let's take it chronologically. The first events were the reported UFO sightings at the base on the night of the 25th and the early hours of the 26th. It turns out that people on the base were not the only people to see this. UFO reports flooded in from all over southern England, as it turned out that night was one of the best on record for dramatic meteors. The first were at 5:20pm and again at 7:20pm over southeastern England. Later at 9pm, the upper stage of a Russian rocket that had launched the Cosmos 749 satellite re-entered and broke up. As reported in the Journal of the British Astronomical Association, 250 people called in and reported a sighting as first six fragments came streaking in, which then broke up into more than 20. Finally, at about 2:45am on the morning of the 26th, a meteor described by witnesses as "bright as the moon" flew overhead with an unusually long duration of 3-4 seconds. The experience of the airmen was described in a letter home written by one of them:

At [about 3am], me and five other guys were walking up a dark path about 2 miles from base... Then we saw a bright light go right over us about 50 feet up and just fly over a field. It was silent.

At the same time on base, a security patrolman was dispatched to check the weapons storage area to see if a "falling star" had hit it. It had not. But it does seem clear that all of the UFO reports from the base are perfectly consistent with known meteor activity on that night. So much for the UFO sightings. Next piece of evidence.

Airmen at the east end of RAF Woodbridge went into the forest to investigate a strange, pulsing, colored light that they suspected might be a downed aircraft. We have the signed statements of the three men who went into the forest, SSgt. Penniston and Airmen Cabansag and Burroughs, as well as that of their superior, Lt. Buran. At this point it's important to know the geography of the area. Heading east from the east gate of RAF Woodbridge, there is about one mile of forest, followed by an open farmer's field several acres in size. At the far end of that field is a farmhouse. A little more than 5 miles beyond that sits the Orfordness lighthouse, in a direct line of sight.

Although the three men stayed together, their reports are dramatically different. Penniston and Burroughs reported moving lights of different colors, that they felt came from a mechanical object with a red light on top and blue lights below surrounded by a yellow haze. They even drew pictures of it in their reports, but Penniston's illustration of their best view of it shows it partially obscured by trees and well off in the distance to the east. Burroughs' drawing of the object is based on Penniston's description, as Burroughs himself only reported seeing lights. Cabansag, however, reported that the only light they saw after actually leaving the base was the one that all three men eventually identified as a lighthouse or beacon beyond the farmhouse. Cabansag reported that the yellow haze had simply been the glow from the farmhouse lights. Once they reached the field, they turned around and returned to base without further incident.

A further problem with Burroughs' and Penniston's stories is that they have grown substantially over time, particularly Penniston's. In more recent TV interviews, they've both claimed that they saw the craft fly up out of the trees and fly around. Penniston has also unveiled a notebook which he claims he wrote during their forest chase, which he displayed on a 2003 Sci-Fi Channel documentary. Its times and dates are wrong, and Burroughs has stated that Penniston did not make any notes during the episode and would not have had time to even if he'd wanted. Penniston's story has also expanded to include a 45 minute personal walkaround inspection of the object during which he took a whole roll of photographs (seized by the the Air Force, of course), which from the written statements of all three men, is a clear fabrication.

Only Cabansag's version of events, that there was a single pulsing light later determined to be a distant beacon or lighthouse, describes events that all three men agreed on, and is consistent with the statements of others. For example, A1C Chris Arnold, who placed the call to the police and waited at the end of the access road, gave this description in a 1997 interview:

There was absolutely nothing in the woods. We could see lights in the distance and it appeared unusual as it was a sweeping light, (we did not know about the lighthouse on the coast at the time). We also saw some strange colored lights in the distance but were unable to determine what they were... Contrary to what some people assert, at the time almost none of us knew there was a lighthouse at Orford Ness. Remember, the vast majority of folks involved were young people, 19, 20, 25 years old. Consequently it wasn't something most of the troops were cognizant of. That's one reason the lights appeared interesting or out of the ordinary to some people.

Police constables responding to Arnold's call of "unusual lights in the sky" did arrive on the scene while Penniston, Cabansag, and Burroughs were still in the forest. Here is the report they filed:

Air traffic control West Drayton checked. No knowledge of aircraft. Reports received of aerial phenomena over southern England during the night. Only lights visible this area was from Orford light house. Search made of area - negative.

So much for unusual lights or strange flying craft reported by the airmen in the forest on the first night.

Next morning, some of the men found what they believed to be site of where Penniston's craft must have touched down. It was a clearing with three depressions in the ground, possibly made by landing pads. Again the police were called. The police report stated:

There were three marks in the area which did not follow a set pattern. The impressions made by the marks were of no depth and could have been made by an animal.

Forestry Commission worker Vince Thurkettle, who lived less than a mile away, was also present at the examination of the landing site. Astronomer Ian Ridpath, who has a fantastic web site about the event (and check out this YouTube video of his original BBC report here), interviewed Thurkettle about the impressions and the reported burn marks on the surrounding trees:

He recognized them as rabbit diggings, several months old and covered with a layer of fallen pine needles... The "burn marks" on the trees were axe cuts in the bark, made by the foresters themselves as a sign that the trees were ready to be felled.

So much for the landing site.

It was two nights later that Col. Halt decided to take the investigation into his own hands (contrary to the popular telling that says there were events on three nights in a row, there are no reported events on the second night). Halt properly armed himself with a Geiger counter and an audio recorder (Download the complete 17-minute recording here), and took some men to examine the landing site and the strange lights. It's been reported that Halt found radiation levels at the landing site ten times higher than normal background levels:

Col. Halt: "Up to seven tenths? Or seven units, let's call it, on the point five scale."

He used a standard issue AN-PDR 27 Survey Meter, which detects beta and gamma radiation. The highest level reported by Col. Halt on his audio tape, "seven tenths", corresponded to .07 milliroentgens per hour, just at the lowest reading on the bottom range of the meter, the "point five scale". The UK's National Radiological Protection Board (NRPB) told Ian Ridpath that levels between .05 and .1 mR/h were normal background levels; however, this particular meter was designed to measure much higher levels of radiation and so it was "not credible" to establish a level of only ten times normal background. So much for Col. Halt's radiation.

And then they observed the mysterious colored light flashing through the trees:

Col. Halt: "You just saw a light? Where? Slow down. Where?"
Unidentified: "Right on this position here. Straight ahead, in between the trees – there it is again. Watch – straight ahead, off my flashlight there, sir. There it is."
Col. Halt: "I see it, too. What is it?"
Unidentified: "We don’t know, sir."
Col. Halt: "It’s a strange, small red light."

Every lighthouse has a published interval at which it flashes. This is how sea captains are able to identify which light they're seeing. The Orfordness lighthouse has an interval of 5 seconds. Now listen to the same exchange again; I've added a beep at exactly five second intervals:

[Please visit site linked at bottom for audio samples]

Although several times during the tape Col. Halt calls the light red, he is contradicted by his men who say it's yellow. In photographs of the 1980 light taken before it was replaced, it did indeed look orange. Even the new light, which is mercury vapor discharge and therefore whiter and bluer than the original incandescent, appears distinctly red in photographs and video when viewed from Rendlesham forest.

Col. Halt, having been in the area longer than most of the young servicemen, did know about the lighthouse; but he didn't think this light could be it because it was coming from the east. Col. Halt believed the lighthouse was to the southeast. This is true from RAF Bentwaters, where Halt was from. But the chase through the forest proceeded due east from RAF Woodbridge — two miles south of Bentwaters — and from there, unknown to Col. Halt, Orfordness lighthouse is indeed due east.

Col. Halt: "We've passed the farmer's house and are crossing the next field and now we have multiple sightings of up to five lights with a similar shape and all but they seem to be steady now rather than a pulsating or glow with a red flash."

Five steady lights glowing red. The Orfordness Transmitting Station is just two miles up the coast from the lighthouse, and features five tall radio towers topped with red lights. Col. Halt's thoroughness was commendable, but even he can be mistaken. Without exception, everything he reported on his audiotape and in his written memo has a perfectly rational and unremarkable explanation.

And with that, we're nearly out of evidence to examine. All that remains is the tale that the men were debriefed and ordered never to mention the event, and warned that "bullets are cheap". Well, as we've seen on television, the men all talk quite freely about it, and even Col. Halt says that to this day nobody has ever debriefed him. So this appears to be just another dramatic invention for television, perhaps from one of the men who have expanded their stories over the years.

When you examine each piece of evidence separately on its own merit, you avoid the trap of pattern matching and finding correlations where none exist. The meteors had nothing to do with the lighthouse or the rabbit diggings, but when you hear all three stories told together, it's easy to conclude (as did the airmen) that the light overhead became an alien spacecraft in the forest. Always remember: Separate pieces of poor evidence don't aggregate together into a single piece of good evidence. You can stack cowpies as high as you want, but they won't turn into a bar of gold.

Source http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4135

So there you have it. No swap gas required. A perfectly reasonable conclusion that doesn't mean "alien UFOs visited us".

So you said that was your number one piece of evidence, huh? I'm sorry, but not even that stands up to critical thought. Somehow I doubt you'll be convinced that behind every alien UFO story, there's real truth to be found, and it is often not aliens at all, but rather metaphorically another Pepper's Ghost of some sort.

some pure human dies but after few days comes alive talks to people but after 2000 years over 100 million people from most powerful country believe in that story and pray for that versus ufo stuffs?!

It never happened and those that think it did are beyond delusional and incapable of rational, logical thought.

The star charts with 11 major stars was correct in every asspect. I dont think I could draw the same from memory. This is Glise 581 system thats earth like superearths have been found 29 lightyears away.

Ah, but it wasn't. There wasn't even eleven dots on the "map"; there was only seven or eight. Here's how the Skeptoid explains:

So the only thing we're left with is Betty's star map. In her original written stories, she described the aliens' star map as three dimensional. Under hypnosis, she redrew it on paper, in two dimensions. It's seven or eight random dots connected by lines, and it's quite rough and by no means precise. Several years later, a schoolteacher named Marjorie Fish read a book about the Hills. She then took beads and strings and converted her living room into a three dimensional version of the galaxy based on the 1969 Gliese Star Catalog. She then spent several years viewing her galaxy from different angles, trying to find a match for Betty's map, and eventually concluded that Zeta Reticuli was the alien homeworld. Other UFOlogists have proposed innumerable different interpretations. Carl Sagan and other astronomers have said that it is not even a good match for Zeta Reticuli, and that Betty's drawing is far too random and imprecise to make any kind of useful interpretation. With its third dimension removed, Betty's map cannot contain any useful positional information. Even if she had somehow drawn a perfect 3D map that did exactly align with known star positions, it still wouldn't be evidence of anything other than that such reference material is widely available, in sources like the Gliese Star Catalog. We would not conclude that an alien abduction is the only reasonable way that Betty could have learned seven or eight star positions during those two years.

Even Carl Sagan said the points were too random to resemble Zeta Reticuli. Fish tried to make sense out of the randomness, and she did out of her imagination. Unless you're suggesting that Carl Sagan is involved in the cover-up too?

Someone just couldn't resist the temptation......

UFO at Olympic Opening Ceremony

...whatever next? E.T shaking Obama's hand?

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Someone just couldn't resist the temptation......

UFO at Olympic Opening Ceremony

...whatever next? E.T shaking Obama's hand?

Ahhhhh.....thats the big one alright!
So now we know exactly what the aliens want! They want proper TV coverage of the Olympic games. The aliens must be getting fuzzy TV signals on their spaceship so they came down for a closer look!

So it turns out in the end that aliens are sports fans.......cool!

John.

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MUFONs special Aug 5, 2012 roswell trace evidence mostly molten metal fragments that are high magnesium content. No idea where it was found. The metal pieces some look layered.

August 5th, 2012 hasn't happened yet. Is that a prediction?

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International Director David MacDonald’s column, July issue, MUFON Journal:

(At this year’s Symposium)

“It is our intent to release not one but two MAJOR announcements which will resonate throughout the UFO community for years to come. One of these pronouncements is so sensitive that MUFON management asked that it not be released until proper security protocols were in place to protect the safety of the material and the people in whose possession it resides. Those protocols are now being undertaken and will be complete in time for the Symposium.”

Symposium Agenda Item for 4:30—6:30pm, Sunday, August 5: “National Release of “Blockbuster” UFO discovery”.

MUFON UFO Journal July 2012 No. 531


Publicity effort, or......?