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OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
Problem is something in the sky is being seen everywhere but at the poles. Pilots with 28 years flying put their reputations on the line.28 Militarys through out the world see someting enough to do studies on them for peroids of time. Ill will rest my case if you explain what was at Rhedahlshem Air Force base in 1980. 2 countrys report an incident at a nuclear storage area inside the wire. and a human touched a craft swore and signed with over 80 sworn witnesses and civial aircontrolers, joints Chiefs of staff for England and the US. This created a nuclear regulatory incident/accident report. They mustve all been having mass hysteria. And made the misstake of lieing under oath to Joint Chiefs of staff. What you seem to fail to understand is that I'm not saying that certain events never happened. What I have been saying this entire time is that the events that occur are easily explainable given enough information without having to resort to "alien UFOs" which is not a logical conclusion just because people claim it to be. I can't find any information on Rhedahlshem Air Force base, so I have no idea what you're talking about there. But again, I wouldn't say that there was "mass delusion", more like something weird happened that they can't explain - but that doesn't mean it was alien UFOs. None of them would lie under Oath; they would testify to what they believe they saw, but that doesn't mean what they believe they saw happened as they explain it. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
The most funny part in this thread is someone nameless faceless sitting behind keyboard is trying his belief supremacy over career military officers all of them came forward with names and military titles from same nation and renown political figures too. Is this all you do Orgil? Trash talk the people who don't agree with you or people who think like you? You've accused me of being a "Catholic jihadist", a "gutless coward", a "hypocrite", and you've even accused me of something far worse that was thankfully hidden by the Mods as offensive (I know because I pressed the red "x" and told them about it). Do you actually consider what you are doing as acceptable behavior? Is this how you think people should treat each other in a discussion, by typing a bunch of libelous stuff about them without an ounce of truth to what you're saying? If you actually believe your methods of libeling me are acceptable, that would perfectly explain why you think you've actually brought enough evidence to the table to support the idea of alien UFOs visiting our planet, and I needn't address you further. Anything short of a change in your behavior and an apology for your libel would restore respect. Don't be an idiot all your life. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
I agree with Orgil here! Where did Origil say that we need to investigate UFOs, and where has anyone argued that we shouldn't investigate UFOs? Most certainly I think all strange incidents should be investigated. I just think we need to stop attributing certain events with unproven conclusions unless the evidence supports the claim. |
Larry Monske Send message Joined: 17 Sep 05 Posts: 281 Credit: 554,328 RAC: 0 |
Heres the link to Rhendahlshem forest; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI9ATxRjiMk Human touched a craft that was on the ground and over 2 consectutive nights on a nuclear storage area. Inside the wire creates a nuclear accident/incident report and turned over to chiefs of staff of two countries in their morning briefs. This one cannot be explained away as swamp gas or whatever it cant be lied about because sworn testimoney from over 80 people and 120 cilvilians were3 involved. The Ministry of Defence had control and ruked it as a unknown and no threat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxdNsSwMeDQ&feature=related This the actual tapes from the incident. another thing was trace radation where the craft was on a ground and 3 imprimts in the soil. Radation was 10 times normal. This is the only government case I would belive because it didnt happen upon american soil. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
Heres the link to Rhendahlshem forest; I will have to watch the video later since I'm still at work. Human touched a craft that was on the ground and over 2 consectutive nights on a nuclear storage area. Inside the wire creates a nuclear accident/incident report and turned over to chiefs of staff of two countries in their morning briefs. You're still judging facts by the number of people swearing under oath. Again, swearing that they saw something or experienced something specific doesn't mean their testimony is indicative of empirical evidence or data. This is a perfect scenario: Tupac's ghost performs live. For people unfamiliar with the technology, they would swear that Tupac actually performed live in front of an audience as a ghostly image. In fact, the "technology", known as Pepper's Ghost has been around for over 100 years. Less sophisticated people from that time would easily testify that they had seen a ghost. They knew what they saw or touched. That doesn't mean they actually saw a ghost. Same applies here. I'm sure lots of people saw something, maybe even touched something. That doesn't mean that it was indeed an alien UFO. Even extremely intelligent people are susceptible to falling prey to "magic" tricks. This is why I keep saying that it doesn't matter how many people witness an event, or what their background is. All that matters is the evidence that the event happened, and if there's a simple, logical way to explain the event, then that is the likely answer. |
Larry Monske Send message Joined: 17 Sep 05 Posts: 281 Credit: 554,328 RAC: 0 |
I was wondering if you know since 1942 over a million sightings around the world non stop. Pilots, scientists, presidents, and other reliable people all see swamp gas or are delusional in mass. I used to think it was all crap too but so much stuff has come to light that cant be ignored. Watch this video by Dr Woods it has some very interesting points in it. www.youtube.com/Encyclopedia of Flying Saucers Ive seen lights in the sky not knowing what they are. In Almagordo when I lived there in the early 50s I got to see the green fireballs. Scream across the sky way faster that any jet but not a sound. I tend to discount lights in the sky at distance and altitude can be anything common, such as aircraft,balloons, satillites. The fireballs were different in every aspect from any aircraft, what confused me was how they could change direction in a split second. When in Michagan I got to see a red cylinder hovering motionless for hours over the Erico Fermi powerplant in Michagan in 1965 this happened on two consecutive days in daylight. The thing didnt move looked round guessing maybe 30 feet long about 3000 feet or so. It was amazing to see. It looked like a florecent tube lightbulb dull red in color. I stayed 3 hours first day and went back the next morning and that thing was there again. It just blinked out and never saw it again. |
musicplayer Send message Joined: 17 May 10 Posts: 2430 Credit: 926,046 RAC: 0 |
Are we not supposed to be running Seti@home in order to find an intelligent signal coming from the stars, telling that we are not alone in the Universe? From the beginning, the UFO subject became debunked, because the matter was being investigated by the military because of other events which took place in the late 1940's and 1950's. Still, there are many credible witnesses among ordinary civilians and at times objects have been observed which are thought not to be coming from earth. Our own technology appears to be catching up with objects (crafts) which may have been observed. The space shuttle program is as far as I know not currently active, still there is business going on in space - at least we have the International Space Station running and crews manning the station needs to be refreshed at regular times. Also supplies are constantly needed in order for the station to be working. Also there are stories coming through which tells about possible encounters between humans and extraterrestrial presence in space. Some of these facts are documented and available to viewers by means of YouTube. In the end you are the one who is left to believe whether what is happening is true or not. So therefore it us for your eyes to decide and believe whether we are alone or not in the Universe. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
I was wondering if you know since 1942 over a million sightings around the world non stop. Pilots, scientists, presidents, and other reliable people all see swamp gas or are delusional in mass. I know that not a single sighting has enough evidence to support the claim. I've also outlined the logic that if aliens were visiting our planet, there's no way any government agency would be able to hide their existence. Others have outlined the technical limitations to aliens visiting our planet and needing an almost limitless supply of energy to travel such large distances. Until any of those scientists, military, presidents, governors, and standard citizens can provide extraordinary proof for their extraordinary claims, there simply must be another explanation. I often find when discussing such facts with these people, they purposely discount any inquiries into other possibilities because "they know what they saw". Many of them want it to be true so bad that they aren't willing to believe anything else. Ive seen lights in the sky not knowing what they are. In Almagordo when I lived there in the early 50s I got to see the green fireballs. Scream across the sky way faster that any jet but not a sound. I tend to discount lights in the sky at distance and altitude can be anything common, such as aircraft,balloons, satillites. And of course the only explanation is alien spacecraft. No other possible explanation exists as long as you don't look for one. I once believed I had an out of body experience and met God. For a long time I wanted to believe it was true until someone else smarter than me pointed out several flaws with my conclusion - and it also helped that the more I looked for the truth, the more I felt that being honest with myself was important. I now know that I never had an out of body experience and I certainly didn't meet God. My experience was simply due to other stressful factors that I wanted to believe I was more special than I really was. I'm sure you believe in what you saw, and you probably saw something, but I don't believe what you witnessed was an alien spacecraft or anything of the sort. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
Are we not supposed to be running Seti@home in order to find an intelligent signal coming from the stars, telling that we are not alone in the Universe? Yes, we are searching for the evidence that we are not alone. Still, there are many credible witnesses among ordinary civilians and at times objects have been observed which are thought not to be coming from earth. The only credible witness is one that brings empirical evidence with them. Also there are stories coming through which tells about possible encounters between humans and extraterrestrial presence in space. Some of these facts are documented and available to viewers by means of YouTube. In the end you are the one who is left to believe whether what is happening is true or not. Facts should determined from evidence, not individual perspective or opinion. |
Larry Monske Send message Joined: 17 Sep 05 Posts: 281 Credit: 554,328 RAC: 0 |
The bad part of the UFOs is if they are real and it comes out. It would make every president since Truman lieing denying and hiding or destroying evidence, purgery of all the Airforce brass that lied to congress and denied some presidents any knowledge of their presence and our knowledge and hiding their visitation. By denying what they know about them. This makes a secret hard to hide but whoever is running the show makes it look very much above the laws of the land. Can you think of all the major players like the MJ12 group from then on it is all disinformation campainqne. This disinformation could harmfull to so many players. Why all the fundeded projects to study UFOs if they dont exist but get funds to operate from somewhere and congress didnt have a vote. Personally I feel UFOs are something important enough to have worldwide symposium on them. I wonder how can so much time effort and money to fund projects that arent even told to congress but important enough to fund as black ops with your money and nobody knows how or where the people come up with the funds. This means government banks and bankers with secret accounts. To keep it secret costs lots of money, "your money" with no chain of command to monitor what is being alloted to what account and from where. Appearantly its untouchible well that never goes dry and no one bothers to find out where the money leads to. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
And if God were real, it would also have profound effects on the world. The problem still comes down to the evidence. Equally, if UFOs do not exist, that would make every UFO hunter either delusional or quite the fool, knowingly or unknowingly lying about the events or lying about the people involved in cover-ups. Anyone can make claims and suspect cover-ups based upon limited evidence. Where is the corroborating evidence that supports the conclusion? |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
Heres the link to Rhendahlshem forest; Ah, here we go. The Rendlesham forest incident explained: The Sci-Fi Channel calls it the most comprehensive cover-up in the history of Britain. It's often called the most important UFO incident of the 20th century. Imagine, alien spacecraft drifting through the woods on the perimeter of a US Air Force Base in England, shining their colored lights around in plain view of pursuing military security personnel, for three nights in a row. And how did the United Kingdom and the United States react to this obvious threat to their nuclear arsenals? They didn't. There's no wonder the Rendlesham Forest UFO Incident is the one that UFOlogists consider the most frightening. Source http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4135 So there you have it. No swap gas required. A perfectly reasonable conclusion that doesn't mean "alien UFOs visited us". So you said that was your number one piece of evidence, huh? I'm sorry, but not even that stands up to critical thought. Somehow I doubt you'll be convinced that behind every alien UFO story, there's real truth to be found, and it is often not aliens at all, but rather metaphorically another Pepper's Ghost of some sort. |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
some pure human dies but after few days comes alive talks to people but after 2000 years over 100 million people from most powerful country believe in that story and pray for that versus ufo stuffs?! It never happened and those that think it did are beyond delusional and incapable of rational, logical thought. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
The star charts with 11 major stars was correct in every asspect. I dont think I could draw the same from memory. This is Glise 581 system thats earth like superearths have been found 29 lightyears away. Ah, but it wasn't. There wasn't even eleven dots on the "map"; there was only seven or eight. Here's how the Skeptoid explains: So the only thing we're left with is Betty's star map. In her original written stories, she described the aliens' star map as three dimensional. Under hypnosis, she redrew it on paper, in two dimensions. It's seven or eight random dots connected by lines, and it's quite rough and by no means precise. Several years later, a schoolteacher named Marjorie Fish read a book about the Hills. She then took beads and strings and converted her living room into a three dimensional version of the galaxy based on the 1969 Gliese Star Catalog. She then spent several years viewing her galaxy from different angles, trying to find a match for Betty's map, and eventually concluded that Zeta Reticuli was the alien homeworld. Other UFOlogists have proposed innumerable different interpretations. Carl Sagan and other astronomers have said that it is not even a good match for Zeta Reticuli, and that Betty's drawing is far too random and imprecise to make any kind of useful interpretation. With its third dimension removed, Betty's map cannot contain any useful positional information. Even if she had somehow drawn a perfect 3D map that did exactly align with known star positions, it still wouldn't be evidence of anything other than that such reference material is widely available, in sources like the Gliese Star Catalog. We would not conclude that an alien abduction is the only reasonable way that Betty could have learned seven or eight star positions during those two years. Even Carl Sagan said the points were too random to resemble Zeta Reticuli. Fish tried to make sense out of the randomness, and she did out of her imagination. Unless you're suggesting that Carl Sagan is involved in the cover-up too? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Someone just couldn't resist the temptation...... UFO at Olympic Opening Ceremony ...whatever next? E.T shaking Obama's hand? |
Johnney Guinness Send message Joined: 11 Sep 06 Posts: 3093 Credit: 2,652,287 RAC: 0 |
Someone just couldn't resist the temptation...... Ahhhhh.....thats the big one alright! So now we know exactly what the aliens want! They want proper TV coverage of the Olympic games. The aliens must be getting fuzzy TV signals on their spaceship so they came down for a closer look! So it turns out in the end that aliens are sports fans.......cool! John. |
Larry Monske Send message Joined: 17 Sep 05 Posts: 281 Credit: 554,328 RAC: 0 |
MUFONs special Aug 5, 2012 roswell trace evidence mostly molten metal fragments that are high magnesium content. No idea where it was found. The metal pieces some look layered. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
August 5th, 2012 hasn't happened yet. Is that a prediction? |
Larry Monske Send message Joined: 17 Sep 05 Posts: 281 Credit: 554,328 RAC: 0 |
Ill find the clip |
Larry Monske Send message Joined: 17 Sep 05 Posts: 281 Credit: 554,328 RAC: 0 |
Ill find the clip Senior Member member is offline Gender: Posts: 903 MUFON: Major Announcement in August « Thread started on: Jul 5th, 2012, 5:12pm » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- International Director David MacDonald’s column, July issue, MUFON Journal: (At this year’s Symposium) “It is our intent to release not one but two MAJOR announcements which will resonate throughout the UFO community for years to come. One of these pronouncements is so sensitive that MUFON management asked that it not be released until proper security protocols were in place to protect the safety of the material and the people in whose possession it resides. Those protocols are now being undertaken and will be complete in time for the Symposium.†Symposium Agenda Item for 4:30—6:30pm, Sunday, August 5: “National Release of “Blockbuster†UFO discoveryâ€. MUFON UFO Journal July 2012 No. 531 Publicity effort, or......? |
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