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Message 1222846 - Posted: 24 Apr 2012, 20:08:58 UTC

One I belive maybe someone is seeing something. The real ufos are overlooked because of so many frauds. Most are pictures of lights miles away never steady and when they are in focus they are so fake its absurd. Another thing is that these small ships cannot be from another world they couldnt carry enough fuel. The sheer distances involved a lightyear or more would take 50 years or more to do. The nearest star Alpha Proxima is about 4.5 lightyears away at 60000 mph it would take 73000 years to reach the nearest star one way.
The BIGGEST question a intelligent being comes all this way and continues to do so for decades or centurys and not one attempt of communication. A intelligent race would communicate in some form.
If they have been visiting for all this time but not communicateing what is thier intentions. Why not communicate, with life so precious and rare in space why not communicate share information or refuel to return to point of origin.
The earth is a gem a rare diamond amongst millions of other planets and stars maybe a occupation of the earth by a dying planet or star system race that have to relocate. With knowledge of star travel could be a tough foe to deal with. With half the population with cameras you would think that someone somewhere on the earth would have a picture of a UFO that showed it this tall this wide and what it looks like in an out. If this could be done then maybe belife in some sort of extraterrestial life could be belived.
There are reports of a air force officer touching one in a secure airforce base that housed nuclear weapons in Great Britain. I feel this the most reliable sighting documented ,in offcial report. Why would a ship go to this base without a purpose or intent of malnevolence in someway.

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Message 1222881 - Posted: 24 Apr 2012, 21:37:37 UTC

Larry,
I think your right. With all the technology we have today, its real easy to fake a picture or super-impose a little craft into a video. 30 years ago, you needed serious money to be able to afford the equipment to do that. But today anyone can fake stuff.

So today, the only way we will truly know if a UFO is real, and it has real aliens inside it, is if it publicly lands somewhere for the worlds media to see it.

The day of blurry UFO pictures and distant video clips of something moving across the sky is gone! Today if you want to claim you have seen a UFO, i say show us the craft or your a liar. This is the age of science.

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Message 1223361 - Posted: 26 Apr 2012, 0:05:09 UTC - in response to Message 1222881.

I have a very clear picture taken by a marine on his way to Bagdad in a bradley. They had seen smoke on the horizon and wondered if a whole city was burning. It turned out it was a coal fired powerplant. The marine snapped the photo never realizing he had a marvelous picture of what appears to be a UFO. He didnt see it when he took the picture. Mind this was in the NO-FLY ZONE in Iraq near mosul. The only things in the air was allied forces.

http://s1164.photobucket.com/albums/q563/u812y/?action=view&current=ufo-sighting-baghdad.jpg

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Message 1223370 - Posted: 26 Apr 2012, 0:23:38 UTC
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http://s1164.photobucket.com/albums/q563/u812y/?action=view&current=ufo-sighting-baghdad.jpg/

made it clickable 4u

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EDIT : it's definately A: a UFO
or B: something else
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Message 1223470 - Posted: 26 Apr 2012, 5:17:40 UTC - in response to Message 1223370.

Thanks that made it simple to see. Im fasinated by the possibilty of UFOs but the proof is so hard to come by. This picture is so clear, one of the \best ive seen.

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Message 1223500 - Posted: 26 Apr 2012, 8:07:25 UTC

Most Western nations now have unmanned surveillance drones over war zones. But there are occasions when an unidentifiable object in the sky defies all attempts to try and prove what it it is.

IF ET can travel here and observe the earth, wouldn't they also be intelligent enough to know that tangible proof of their existence would likely cause worldwide panic and the collapse of most mainstream religions?



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Message 1223504 - Posted: 26 Apr 2012, 8:14:20 UTC - in response to Message 1223500.

Looks to me like a bit of chaff on the lens. This bit of nonsense is unbecoming to humans in the third millennium




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Message 1223511 - Posted: 26 Apr 2012, 8:57:38 UTC - in response to Message 1223504.

Looks to me like a bit of chaff on the lens. This bit of nonsense is unbecoming to humans in the third millennium

Daddio,
Ahhhhhh..... LOL. That is funny :)

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Message 1257680 - Posted: 8 Jul 2012, 21:01:07 UTC - in response to Message 1223511.

I believe in possible visitations to Earth from ET's. However, I can't help but conclude that if we are being observed, surely these visitors must be aware of our capability to attempt to search for signs of them. Considering they must have some form of faster-than-light travel, and all of the technology and gismos to allow this sort of travel to happen, then surely they must also have some sort of technology that would allow them to observe us without us knowing. For instance, some sort of cloaking technology, or a way to tweak a deflector dish to mask their appearance (ah, how I love to fall back on my Star Trek sci-fi technologies).

Of course, all of this is hypothetical. At the same time, if they had such technologies, surely they would encounter problems with a system failing which would in turn make them visible; something that could account for sitings/crashes.
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Message 1257694 - Posted: 8 Jul 2012, 21:23:42 UTC - in response to Message 1257680.

Anybody who believes in the mythological teachings of various religions already believes that beings of some advanced nature can come down from the sky (heavens?). There have been no crashes and no evidence of any visitation. Faster than light-speed travel is not possible. It is the cosmic speed limit.

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Message 1257700 - Posted: 8 Jul 2012, 21:33:58 UTC

Maybe it was a hubcap blown off an IED in the vicinity. It looks like one of the many frisbee type objects that have been thrown in the air by one person while a companion snaps pictures of the flight.
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Message 1257704 - Posted: 8 Jul 2012, 21:40:46 UTC

What makes me giggle is that none of us will ever know in our lifetime, whether UFO's are real or not, yet we continue (including me) to discuss it like an important subject ....

Yup, I'm as bad as the rest of you!


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Message 1257709 - Posted: 8 Jul 2012, 21:56:35 UTC - in response to Message 1257694.

Faster than light-speed travel is not possible. It is the cosmic speed limit.


I can't believe that, friend! Then all of my Star Trek techno-babble in relation to "will happen scenarios" fall way short, hehe.
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Message 1257799 - Posted: 9 Jul 2012, 1:14:18 UTC - in response to Message 1257709.
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Somewhere somehow a UFO has to be in public hands. The military should allow a complete investigation but not allowed to haul it away. Im sure they would want a chance to study something. I dont know what to think about sightings, but I do have a site that just deals in physical trace research.
Do a search: "Center For Physical trace research" there are some interesting cases. Many familar ones too. The site is run by Ted Phillips and Allen Hynek.

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Message 1257806 - Posted: 9 Jul 2012, 1:30:15 UTC - in response to Message 1257799.

There is so much in the way of sightings and 20% of them are unexplained. Pilots and other top choices for witnesses. Theyve been seen over nuclear powerplants. I Witnessed lights over Erico Fermi power plant on Lake Erie 1965. Nuclear storage areas. Russians also have the same experiances. The airforce run bluebook for years yet they still compile sightings.

If anything I think we could be set up for an attack, as far fetched as that sounds. Heres what I base this 60 years of sightings everywhere on earth except the artic and antartic. Sometimes they showup on radar sometimes they dont.
Another real bothersome point is the complete lack of communication in any way. So far they are benign but that could change when some militarys to shoot them down. Who knows?

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Message 1257808 - Posted: 9 Jul 2012, 1:44:40 UTC - in response to Message 1257806.

Nothing is out of question, that's for sure. I would hope that their technological advancement means that they would be a benign people, but who is to say? The door is open to all possibility at this point (including faster-than-light travel, brought to you by warping space or some other form of technology not yet available, hehe)
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Message 1257906 - Posted: 9 Jul 2012, 5:05:07 UTC
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90% of all people are religious that is like they are UFO believers in their own world constantly begging wishing something from their UFO.

Maybe 90% of western big universities have religious departments and even many have their in own in campus churches. So in this stage of age it is very tough to prove or deny anything UFO related in realistic scientific ways.
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Message 1257923 - Posted: 9 Jul 2012, 5:56:13 UTC
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I guess there still are many people out there who do not believe in UFO's.

At least they have not seen any such things with their own eyes.

At least we happen to know that they are supposed to be flying and probably have the capability to navigate.

So are they intelligently controlled? Are there anyone inside these things? Are they possibly intelligently controlled crafts?

Definitely, we assume that there may exist or be lying an intellgence behind observation of UFO's. We think of certain things happening in nature as part of it (meaning having a natural explanation). Still some events stand out on their own and differs from those natural occurring phenomena which are readily known to scientists.

So how about their sizes and shapes? Who made these things and where are they coming from?

We are looking for signals from the stars. Are we possibly picking up their signals from time to time?

What numbers are available for us in order to distinguish their possible transmissions? Are they perhaps coming from motherships who may not be detected because they choose to be silent on their own?

Physicist Michio Kaku is describing differents types of possible civilizations. Our own civilization is a type 0 civilization (0.84 on the Kardashev scale).

A civilization having control of its own planet may have attained type 1 and is possibly exploring not only its own solar system, but may have started settling down at other solar systems when they eventually further develop into a type 2 civilization, which is capable of controlling or harnessing the output of their own and possibly other stars as well.

Officially these facts are not generally or widely accepted today. But keep a tab on stories and you may be able to pick up a certain pattern. My best guess is that our own solar system is being shared among other different species already and in some cases this does in fact readily shows up.

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Message 1258447 - Posted: 10 Jul 2012, 6:58:07 UTC - in response to Message 1257923.

All the sightings and 3000 cases or more of physical trace evidence. Some foot printd circular patterms . Soil degradation hydrophobic {cant hold water} years after it still wont let anything grow. Its like they are trying to hide but more and more unexplained phenomona.
Could it be like a silent invasion, like it been decades of sighting at Nuculear plants and weapons storage areas, even two wings of missle system went offline with a craft nearby them. Militarys from 28 countries compile information on UFOs. Something is there like smoke it disappears as quick as they are seen. All this and not single incident ever of communication in any way. So Far they are benign and part of our civilation and culture. Is there something to it? Who knows. I cant make a decision because of the trace evidence that exists. At this point its possible.

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Message 1258459 - Posted: 10 Jul 2012, 7:10:29 UTC - in response to Message 1258447.

Points to ponder with interstellar beings. Say a select few leave a dying planet or doomed solar system and theyve come all this way to a planet they discovered and cant return to their point of origin. What would you do your physilogy may not be compatible with earth. They are stuck the solar system along with our galaxy is moving at 30 miles per second. That adds many extra lightyears to a return jouney. A flight fantastic but there are many stars like ours some millions of years older. We would be in the same boat if we did a trip to earth2 we couldnt return and our stay would be short.

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