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Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
If the universe is infinate, than the improbable not only might occur, but will occur. Im not short quoting you. Im asking about this one point.... You believe---Schrodinger's cat? A game of chance. In a nutshell this is gaming. In a nutshell this is chance taught in school, and design left out. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
quick note on evolution (darwin as prophet is not in the curriculum) Weather it's being said out loud to the student matters not. It's a game of chance. I do accept very large parts of Darwin as true and correct[the book he wrote]. It's what was done with his work after that I object to. |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
If the universe is infinate, than the improbable not only might occur, but will occur. I am not familiar with Schrodinger's cat. But mathematics is capable of calculating chances, therefore odds, on which all gaming is based. By the probabilities the payoffs are determined, and by mathematics the house wins. More of a bell curve in this case. Most of the marbles dropped through pegs are going to land towards the middle. Some will not. It can be estimated fairly accurately how many will not, but not which ones. Janice |
Terror Australis Send message Joined: 14 Feb 04 Posts: 1817 Credit: 262,693,308 RAC: 44 |
Oh all of the gods must exist. Remember that God has a thousand names. So the actual number of gods could possibly be quite low Or none of the gods must exist. And we don't find out the answer until they close the box :-) T.A. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Soft Spirit, Once again Im not short quoting you. Im asking about this one point again. "I am not familiar with Schrodinger's cat." Please google it. Id rather not talk past each other. You seem to understand it anyhow. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Oh all of the gods must exist. :-] |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
Darwin wasn't all correct or all wrong he didn't write a law he wrote a Theory. A theory that has changed little and for the most part has stood the test of time. One thing he said was partially incorrect. He assumed, from his limited data sets, that evolution progressed at a slow steady pace. We now know this to be at least partially incorrect. There are a multitude of recent examples of moths in England that had a mutation for darker coloring. the whitish moths were dominant until the England start burning coal and covering the land in soot. The white colored moths were eaten easily and the black moths became dominant in just a few moth generations. In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30639 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
random mutations As the brain is a chemical thing, chemistry rules. If God controls chemistry, e.g. mutations, there is no free will. You have to decide if there can be a "soul" if there is no free will. Your memory is a chemical bond. You contracting a muscle is a chemical bond. If God controls when and how these happen, then you do not have free will. |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
Ah, the idea is to redefine random as design. Sort of like when the Microsoft folks tell you it's a feature not a bug. I wonder where they got that from. random mutations |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
Soft Spirit, Ahh well.. not having a background in quantum.. um.. anything... a bit complex for me. Janice |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
Isn't that a random deviance from it is all designed?
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Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Isn't that a random deviance from it is all designed? No, what makes you think we operate the same as the earth, lifespan, nor does the earth have a soul. We are made in His Image. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Darwin wasn't all correct or all wrong he didn't write a law he wrote a Theory. A theory that has changed little and for the most part has stood the test of time. One swallow does not make a summer~Aristotle----------However, 50 do make a fine summer. 50-Peer-Reviews |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
Isn't that a random deviance from it is all designed? Then that is one really messed up god. Janice |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
random mutations Pinocchio I've got no strings To hold me down To make me fret, or make me frown I had strings But now I'm free There are no strings on me Hi-ho the me-ri-o That's the only way to go I want the world to know Nothing ever worries me Hi-ho the me-ri-o I'm as happy as can be I want the world to know Nothing ever worries me I've got no strings So I have fun I'm not tied up to anyone They've got strings But you can see There are no strings on me |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
Thank Lillith? Janice |
Ex: "Socialist" Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 3433 Credit: 2,616,158 RAC: 2 |
random mutations If you throw a bunch of marbles on the floor and let them roll where they roll, some will roll around on the floor right in front of you, others will fall downs some stairs, others roll into other rooms, maybe some fall into the vents, under tables and chairs, etc. If you then pick up one marble, and re-trace its steps all the way back to when it first hit the floor, I suppose you would say that "design" is how that one marble got to be where it ended up? Totally overlooking the fact that the marbles randomly went everywhere. Any one marble can be traced back through a series of events that led it to end up where it landed. You can pick up one marble, retrace its steps and say hey "this is the story of how this marble got here". However that does not prove anything. Because the events that led that marble to get there, were nothing more than a series of random chances. #resist |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
quick note on evolution (darwin as prophet is not in the curriculum) Proof in this case is somewhat circumstantial. All available evidence indicates that our Universe is 13.75 billion or so years old. There are many different measurements that have lead scientists to believe this, though, just as with Gary's simulator thought experiment, it is possible (though outside scientific consideration) that the Universe was created a fraction of a second ago with all the elements set up to make it appear it's age coincides with the best approximation of science. On Schrödinger's cat, while it was intended as a thought experiment to suggest the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum events (that the probability function does not collapse until the event is observed) was flawed, neither one of the proponents of the interpretation (Niels Bohr), nor experiments since have required the observation of such an event to be made by something we would typically think of as conscious. Indeed, in the thought experiment, the wave function collapses at the time the detector finds that ionizing radiation has been released, thus, while it might not be apparent to the human experimenters whether the cat is alive or dead, the cat is either alive or dead and not both until the box is opened. The quantum "weirdness" of something being in mutually inconsistent states at once has been reproduced in a number of experiments, and while it may seem "weird" to us, that fact alone does not lead scientists to seek a supernatural explanation. They likely understand our concepts of "weirdness" are in part at least a function of evolutionary pressures that lead us to understand macroscopic phenomena as "normal" and quantum as "strange". Quantum events don't care about our feelings, they happen or don't happen or do both at the same time ;-) I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Darwin wasn't all correct or all wrong he didn't write a law he wrote a Theory. A theory that has changed little and for the most part has stood the test of time. That seems to be about the "natural selection" side of evolution. Were there both dark and light colored moths present prior to the burning of coal? If so, the evolution via random mutation may have progressed as per your description of Darwin's theory, and a change in environmental conditions resulted in one variation fitting less well to the new environment ... I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
random mutations Hawkings, yes. If you believe in chance. I do not. In part an answer to this question... Anyone know this man? |
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