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Message 1222251 - Posted: 23 Apr 2012, 17:25:01 UTC - in response to Message 1222127.

Power projection costs a lot of money. Power projection in multiple regions concurrently costs a lot as well. When the US got out of Vietnam, and also moved to move to an engage China as an offset to the Soviet Union, there was an inclination to back off a presence in East Asia.

At that time, China was not a growing economic power and had no resources for power projection.

Times have changed, the US got focused on Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan.

An interesting thing now, is that the US is shifting its focus back, hence agreements with Australia and moves with the the Philipenes. That being said, as I noted before, China's enormous economic growth, along with their increased appetite for resources sets them up as a primary player there. Bases are stationary targets though, and that force projection capability of China is growing.





I'm just stating that as there is no permanent base in the region, it leaves the door open for China, as having a US Fleet in the South China sea is ok, but if tensions rose to the point where your forces went to defcon 2 or even to defcon 1, where will that fleets replentishment come from?


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Message 1222263 - Posted: 23 Apr 2012, 17:59:25 UTC - in response to Message 1222251.

stationary targets though, and that force projection capability of China is growing.



Yes & that is very worrying.
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Message 1222313 - Posted: 23 Apr 2012, 20:09:12 UTC - in response to Message 1222263.

The thing is, short of preventive war (which I am pretty sure you are not advocating, what China does in terms of its capability is pretty much up to China.

Of course it you would like to divert China for a while, someone needs to change the meds the powers in North Korea are consuming -- instead of focusing on the threat of the rest of the world, have them focus on China as the primary threat....


stationary targets though, and that force projection capability of China is growing.



Yes & that is very worrying.

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Message 1222324 - Posted: 23 Apr 2012, 20:44:20 UTC
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It really would be a strange turn of events if China decides to become an aggressively imperialist nation. I would just hope that their main interest is in peace.
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Message 1222330 - Posted: 23 Apr 2012, 20:51:20 UTC - in response to Message 1222324.

Hmm, China has taken a rather broad definition of their 'domestic' sea territory. Ask the Japanese, Philipenes, Vietnam and Indonesia.

They also have a rather board definition of their 'domestic' land territory (Tibet, India, Vietnam).

Of course that is in addition to their rather broad definition of natural resource requirements (Africa, Iran, Burma, Australia, South America).

Add those up and get more than just a bit of what one might well argue is imperialism.


It really would be a strange turn of events if China decides to become an aggressively imperialist nation. I would just hope that their main interest is in peace.

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Message 1222334 - Posted: 23 Apr 2012, 20:57:06 UTC

China is becoming worrying upon the world stage, but at present too few people take that view ...

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Message 1222349 - Posted: 23 Apr 2012, 21:12:15 UTC - in response to Message 1222334.

China is becoming worrying upon the world stage, but at present too few people take that view ...


Appeasement....China knows exactly how the West will respond to any infringements
by China upon other countries territories. It wont be long before China does a
deal with Argentina over the Falkland Islands oil. You give us half of it and
we will support you in a military campaign to get these island back....
...anyone interested in buying some "war bonds"......


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Message 1222350 - Posted: 23 Apr 2012, 21:12:28 UTC - in response to Message 1222330.

Hmm, China has taken a rather broad definition of their 'domestic' sea territory. Ask the Japanese, Philipenes, Vietnam and Indonesia.

They also have a rather board definition of their 'domestic' land territory (Tibet, India, Vietnam).

Of course that is in addition to their rather broad definition of natural resource requirements (Africa, Iran, Burma, Australia, South America).

Add those up and get more than just a bit of what one might well argue is imperialism.


Well,..... crap.

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Message 1222357 - Posted: 23 Apr 2012, 21:17:47 UTC
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Well,..... crap.

One assumes you mean you don't agree here?
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Message 1222379 - Posted: 23 Apr 2012, 21:40:48 UTC - in response to Message 1222357.
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It means I totally agree. And feel a sense of "fear".

[I forgot to translate American speak into English] :-)
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Message 1222386 - Posted: 23 Apr 2012, 21:47:09 UTC - in response to Message 1222379.

It means I totally agree. And feel a sense of "fear".

[I forgot to translate American speak into English] :-)

Ahhhh.....got it.

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Message 1222397 - Posted: 23 Apr 2012, 22:14:13 UTC - in response to Message 1222379.

Yeah, I got it, but I'm bilingual, I speak American and understand English <g>

It means I totally agree. And feel a sense of "fear".

[I forgot to translate American speak into English] :-)

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Message 1222657 - Posted: 24 Apr 2012, 4:26:16 UTC - in response to Message 1222397.
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Yeah, I got it, but I'm bilingual, I speak American and understand English <g>

It means I totally agree. And feel a sense of "fear".

[I forgot to translate American speak into English] :-)


You only speak American correctly if you speak it with a northeast Ohio or southeast Michigan accent. Ever notice that every news person on any channel no matter what state you are in always sounds the same. Thats because they are trained to speak like they're from NE Ohio or SE Michigan. Of course some local stations still have a slack jawed yokel for comic relief. The reason is this area seems to have the least accented verbiage of any place in the country. Though when I hear myself I think I'm a bit nasal.

BTW I can order food in french german spanish and not that I'd want it but English as well. Honestly? kidney pie. did the country run out of apples for god sake?
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Message 1222679 - Posted: 24 Apr 2012, 5:16:48 UTC - in response to Message 1222657.

Skill -- actually, my accent is close to that -- I did my 'wonderbread' years in central NY -- way upstate and more midwest than east coast.

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Message 1222807 - Posted: 24 Apr 2012, 13:42:49 UTC

Mine too. Upstate NY. :-)


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Message 1222872 - Posted: 24 Apr 2012, 21:10:15 UTC - in response to Message 1222807.

No wonder you, Sargent and I find so much in common <g>

Mine too. Upstate NY. :-)


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Message 1222924 - Posted: 24 Apr 2012, 22:58:59 UTC - in response to Message 1222872.

No wonder you, Sargent and I find so much in common <g>

Mine too. Upstate NY. :-)




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Message 1222925 - Posted: 24 Apr 2012, 23:10:22 UTC - in response to Message 1222924.

It is a conspiracy!


No wonder you, Sargent and I find so much in common <g>

Mine too. Upstate NY. :-)




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Message 1248124 - Posted: 18 Jun 2012, 22:55:26 UTC

We had the 2 biggest boys on the block, but with only one remaining which has possibly led to their overbearance/arrogance to the rest of the world...is that about to change?

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Message 1248156 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 0:43:43 UTC - in response to Message 1222924.

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