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Message 1224547 - Posted: 28 Apr 2012, 20:09:16 UTC - in response to Message 1224396.  

Sorry to hear Cliff.

Why not just reduce to 12 hours of crunching.
Or just 1 rig or what ever.

Would be sad to loose you because of bills.

Just my penny.


I'm on pension, so I really have to cut back, there is no way I can afford to have another bill even close to the present one.

I'll have to see what I can do, after its paid off and if I can afford to run even 1 rig for as long as 12 hours.

If I can afford to sometime I'll be back:-)

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Message 1224616 - Posted: 28 Apr 2012, 22:55:50 UTC - in response to Message 1224547.  

Sorry to hear Cliff.

Why not just reduce to 12 hours of crunching.
Or just 1 rig or what ever.

Would be sad to loose you because of bills.

Just my penny.


I'm on pension, so I really have to cut back, there is no way I can afford to have another bill even close to the present one.

I'll have to see what I can do, after its paid off and if I can afford to run even 1 rig for as long as 12 hours.

If I can afford to sometime I'll be back:-)

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Have you considered running only CPU tasks through your preferences page?
GPUs use a lot of power. Your rac would dive to 7 thousand odd, and you'd retain an interest in the community message boards. Quality of Lifestyle is the important thing, not how many seti toasters you earn.

Cheers.

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Message 1224624 - Posted: 28 Apr 2012, 23:14:35 UTC - in response to Message 1224616.  

Have you considered running only CPU tasks through your preferences page?
GPUs use a lot of power. Your rac would dive to 7 thousand odd, and you'd retain an interest in the community message boards. Quality of Lifestyle is the important thing, not how many seti toasters you earn.

Cheers.

I completely agree. Well said.
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Message 1224627 - Posted: 28 Apr 2012, 23:18:44 UTC - in response to Message 1224524.  
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We are down to only 98 AP 5 on the SSP, are you going to be ok . . . .

4 AP's tapes are been split. The thing I'd like to know is where are they? There's none in ready to send & only 95 Results out in the field as of 28 Apr 2012 23:10:06 UTC with a creation rate of 0 per second. Traffics at just over 94MB a sec
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Message 1224631 - Posted: 28 Apr 2012, 23:31:11 UTC - in response to Message 1224627.  

We are down to only 98 AP 5 on the SSP, are you going to be ok . . . .

4 AP's tapes are been split. The thing I'd like to know is where are they? There's none in ready to send & only 95 Results out in the field as of 28 Apr 2012 23:10:06 UTC with a creation rate of 0 per second. Traffics at just over 94MB a sec

It's because the Server Status page hasn't been re-written. It only shows the last dregs of the v505 run. I hope that is a deliberate decision - those 95 tasks in no way account for the 12,501 tasks awaiting validation. So, let's wait until they drop to zero [pssst - nobody tell the staff, please], and then we can send the cleaning crew into the database and get those lost results safely rounded up.

Then, and only then, it'll be time to update the SSP so we can monitor the AP v6 progress.
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Message 1224649 - Posted: 29 Apr 2012, 0:37:21 UTC - in response to Message 1224631.  

We are down to only 98 AP 5 on the SSP, are you going to be ok . . . .

4 AP's tapes are been split. The thing I'd like to know is where are they? There's none in ready to send & only 95 Results out in the field as of 28 Apr 2012 23:10:06 UTC with a creation rate of 0 per second. Traffics at just over 94MB a sec

It's because the Server Status page hasn't been re-written. It only shows the last dregs of the v505 run. I hope that is a deliberate decision - those 95 tasks in no way account for the 12,501 tasks awaiting validation. So, let's wait until they drop to zero [pssst - nobody tell the staff, please], and then we can send the cleaning crew into the database and get those lost results safely rounded up.

Then, and only then, it'll be time to update the SSP so we can monitor the AP v6 progress.

You always make so much sense. Thank you!

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Message 1224657 - Posted: 29 Apr 2012, 0:48:07 UTC - in response to Message 1224547.  

Cliff,just turn 1 on for an hour or so a week and stay on the message boards.

Sorry to see you go ,I'm sure you'll be back occasionally.

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Message 1224700 - Posted: 29 Apr 2012, 2:37:06 UTC - in response to Message 1224356.  

Well panics over, time for rational descision taking is here.

As of today all projects on both my rigs are on NNT, my caches will be cleared and I will then disconnect from the projects I have joined.

There is no way on my limited resources I can sustain electricity bill on the order of £243 per qtr and continue to sustain my normal activities like eating and paying for accomodation and other utilities..

Something has to give and it has to relate to power usage..

Prior bills were in the order of £113 per qtr... Seems 2 rigs working 24/7 eat a load of juice, too much in fact..

Regards to All, and best wishes..


Oi! What happened to "Boinc IS my hobby"?:) I loved that line!

Ok, ok, I know, the electricity bill... Well those GPUs alone must be burning at least 400W. Probably closer to 600W. Would you leave half a dozen 100W light-bulbs on 24/7? Do you even have 100W light bulbs anymore?

It sounds like Boinc is costing you around 40 quid a month. To be honest, with those 2 PCs you've got I imagined it would be more (but that's another story). Maybe you could ask yourself how much you are willing to spend on your favorite hobby. If the answer is "nil", fair enough. If the answer is "a fiver", then you've got a ton of options: You could sell off the GPUs. You could sell off one of the PCs. You could sell off both the desktops and get a nice laptop ( I love crunching on my little laptop). You could keep everything and (like others have mentioned) use only the CPUs "between the hours of ... and ..." in your settings. But whatever you do, please don't go on a diet of Tesco Value Beans for the rest of your life:)

Or maybe Eric can help put things into perspective:
Back in 1999 we were aiming at 150 hours for the jobs that now take 2 (and do more processing.) When we were starting to do Astropulse, we were aiming for jobs taking a month.


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Any number of credits, no matter how small, is "infinitely" greater than zero, right?:)
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Message 1224766 - Posted: 29 Apr 2012, 4:54:39 UTC - in response to Message 1224631.  

We are down to only 98 AP 5 on the SSP, are you going to be ok . . . .

4 AP's tapes are been split. The thing I'd like to know is where are they? There's none in ready to send & only 95 Results out in the field as of 28 Apr 2012 23:10:06 UTC with a creation rate of 0 per second. Traffics at just over 94MB a sec

It's because the Server Status page hasn't been re-written. It only shows the last dregs of the v505 run. I hope that is a deliberate decision - those 95 tasks in no way account for the 12,501 tasks awaiting validation. So, let's wait until they drop to zero [pssst - nobody tell the staff, please], and then we can send the cleaning crew into the database and get those lost results safely rounded up.

Then, and only then, it'll be time to update the SSP so we can monitor the AP v6 progress.

Thanks for explaining Richard
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Message 1224791 - Posted: 29 Apr 2012, 6:48:41 UTC - in response to Message 1224616.  

[. Quality of Lifestyle is the important thing, not how many seti toasters you earn.

Cheers.

Uhh, I have yet to get my toaster.

Maybe they are having it sent out to be gold plated........
Or Dr. Anderson is perfecting the timer.
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Message 1224836 - Posted: 29 Apr 2012, 10:19:17 UTC
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Over the past days (two to three weeks actually) I've encountered an awfully slow download of WU's. I'm using BOINC 7.0.25 right now, but before 6.0.12.34 was the same. I've got now dozens of WU's in the queue and the first 20 or so are in varying degrees of download. Every now and then, it downloads another few KB before stopping again. Manually updating brings almost no change, with perhaps 5 to 20KB download and then falling silent again.

I checked the Cricket graph and saw that it is almost constantly at full load, but I wondered whether anyone else has encountered this worse-than-modem speed over an extended period of time recently?

Or perhaps has anyone a tip for getting a more reliable DL of WU's?

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Message 1224866 - Posted: 29 Apr 2012, 12:38:28 UTC
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Unforunately thats normal nowadays.

Just wait a few minutes and hit retry again.
Works for me to keep my machine loaded.


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Message 1224882 - Posted: 29 Apr 2012, 13:20:35 UTC - in response to Message 1224836.  

Over the past days (two to three weeks actually) I've encountered an awfully slow download of WU's.

Hmm.....
I have noticed a rather troublesome problem with downloads over the last two or three years too.......
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Message 1224923 - Posted: 29 Apr 2012, 15:36:44 UTC - in response to Message 1224866.  

Unforunately thats normal nowadays.

Just wait a few minutes and hit retry again.
Works for me to keep my machine loaded.

Well, I would be quite happy if it'd work that way. Now I'm lucky if I manage to download one WU every two to three hours or so (and then mostly a shortie). If that persists, I guess I'll donate my GPU better to other projects that make use of it rather than waiting idle for SETI WU's that come when hell freezes over :(

At least I could check from time to time whether SETI DL's become halfway working again :)

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Message 1224924 - Posted: 29 Apr 2012, 15:37:03 UTC

A lot in pending atm - what gives (or has given way already)?
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Message 1224969 - Posted: 29 Apr 2012, 17:47:05 UTC - in response to Message 1224928.  

The system should stop nagging me about installing 7.0.25, because that will never happen. I'd rather committ Seppuku, than letting Boinc V7 wreak havoc on my computers.

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Message 1225000 - Posted: 29 Apr 2012, 18:47:39 UTC - in response to Message 1224836.  

I checked the Cricket graph and saw that it is almost constantly at full load, but I wondered whether anyone else has encountered this worse-than-modem speed over an extended period of time recently?

For the last couple of days downloads have taken a couple more attempts to download than usual.
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Message 1225032 - Posted: 29 Apr 2012, 19:43:19 UTC - in response to Message 1224616.  


I'm on pension, so I really have to cut back, there is no way I can afford to have another bill even close to the present one.

I'll have to see what I can do, after its paid off and if I can afford to run even 1 rig for as long as 12 hours.

If I can afford to sometime I'll be back:-)

Regards,

Have you considered running only CPU tasks through your preferences page?
GPUs use a lot of power. Your rac would dive to 7 thousand odd, and you'd retain an interest in the community message boards. Quality of Lifestyle is the important thing, not how many seti toasters you earn.

Cheers.

If your utility company has a "tiered structure", they charge much more during "peak demand" hours. You can tell BOINC to suspend during those hours and only compute with less expensive power.

You might find that you can live with BOINC running while you are using the computers for other things (I find it gets out of the way well enough for CPU tasks, but not for GPU tasks). It still uses extra power, but that might be a reasonable alternative to stopping completely.

If you get a Kill-A-Watt meter (or similar), you can monitor how much your computers use over time and shut them down if they get to whatever your threshold of pain is.
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Message 1225034 - Posted: 29 Apr 2012, 19:44:49 UTC - in response to Message 1225000.  

Interestingly. As a try, I completely de-installed v.7.0 and re-installed 6.10 and now it is much better. Still not very much downloads for SETI, but a lot more and better than before (not really hard though). Now at least it runs more or less permanently (even if without much reserves) rather than one shorty every two hours as before.

Weird IMO, but I'm cured from more recent BOINC versions for the time being ;)

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Message 1225093 - Posted: 29 Apr 2012, 21:22:16 UTC
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Ok.
MB assimilators seem to be offline for a while now. Hopefully we won't have a legit panic in a day or two... right through holidays.
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