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Message 1217560 - Posted: 13 Apr 2012, 5:44:09 UTC

So I'm waiting for some misguided miscreant to claim that the rocket was sabotaged by the Americans or the Israeli's.

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Message 1217562 - Posted: 13 Apr 2012, 5:57:05 UTC

Good, glad it failed. Word on the street is these launches are disguised ballistics tests...
Even if they are not, and they are a true scientific endeavor, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with extremists like that in control of that technology.
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Message 1217576 - Posted: 13 Apr 2012, 7:12:25 UTC - in response to Message 1217562.

The thing is, North Korea *seems* to want aid (food aid in particular) from the west (in particular the US). Given the trustworthyness (ie none) of the rulers there, it seems rather foolish for the US to provide aid to North Korea which might well be used by the rulers. If they need food, it seems to me, that China would be the logical 'go to' for North Korea. China doesn't want North Korea to collapse, as it would create a refugee problem in China which they don't want to handle and it might strengthen the South Koreans, something else China does not want.


Good, glad it failed. Word on the street is these launches are disguised ballistics tests...
Even if they are not, and they are a true scientific endeavor, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with extremists like that in control of that technology.

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Message 1217637 - Posted: 13 Apr 2012, 14:05:59 UTC - in response to Message 1217560.

So I'm waiting for some misguided miscreant to claim that the rocket was sabotaged by the Americans or the Israeli's.

No need to encourage MG. He'll do that soon enough on his own.


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Message 1217649 - Posted: 13 Apr 2012, 15:00:48 UTC

so.. successful test of satellite laser systems? ;)
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Message 1217685 - Posted: 13 Apr 2012, 16:50:40 UTC - in response to Message 1217649.

so.. successful test of satellite laser systems? ;)

LOL...you beat me to it.
I was just gonna say..at least nobody had to shoot it down.

Or did they?
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Message 1217693 - Posted: 13 Apr 2012, 17:00:12 UTC - in response to Message 1217685.

so.. successful test of satellite laser systems? ;)

LOL...you beat me to it.
I was just gonna say..at least nobody had to shoot it down.

Or did they?


No one would be saying anyway.
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Message 1217697 - Posted: 13 Apr 2012, 17:08:45 UTC
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That rocket is mostly russian technology given the fact that last year 2 or 3 russian satellite rockets failed in russia even 1 was carrying 2 glonass (russian gps) satellites.

But there were some news that n.k.'s were trying to sell gps jammers to iranians which with effective protection range of 150km.
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Message 1217698 - Posted: 13 Apr 2012, 17:09:21 UTC - in response to Message 1217693.

so.. successful test of satellite laser systems? ;)

LOL...you beat me to it.
I was just gonna say..at least nobody had to shoot it down.

Or did they?


No one would be saying anyway.

Actually, I am a little surprised that NK has not played that card.
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Message 1217727 - Posted: 13 Apr 2012, 18:11:13 UTC - in response to Message 1217560.

So I'm waiting for some misguided miscreant to claim that the rocket was sabotaged by the Americans or the Israeli's.


The surprising thing is they haven't managed to get it right yet.

It does expose the propaganda that NK is the source of Iran's technology.
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Message 1217728 - Posted: 13 Apr 2012, 18:12:54 UTC - in response to Message 1217637.

So I'm waiting for some misguided miscreant to claim that the rocket was sabotaged by the Americans or the Israeli's.

No need to encourage MG. He'll do that soon enough on his own.


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Message 1217759 - Posted: 13 Apr 2012, 19:13:15 UTC - in response to Message 1217697.

But there were some news that n.k.'s were trying to sell gps jammers to iranians which with effective protection range of 150km.


That would be great fun watching all the drivers totally up the proverbial, and most not having a clue as to map reading (let alone carrying a map).
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Message 1217778 - Posted: 13 Apr 2012, 19:53:16 UTC - in response to Message 1217637.

Point - but perhaps we'll see a rant mode....


So I'm waiting for some misguided miscreant to claim that the rocket was sabotaged by the Americans or the Israeli's.

No need to encourage MG. He'll do that soon enough on his own.


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Message 1217946 - Posted: 14 Apr 2012, 3:53:10 UTC - in response to Message 1217759.

But there were some news that n.k.'s were trying to sell gps jammers to iranians which with effective protection range of 150km.


That would be great fun watching all the drivers totally up the proverbial, and most not having a clue as to map reading (let alone carrying a map).


I wonder with that gps jammer anyone might confuse modern smart bombs and cruise missiles with few tens of miles off target.
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Message 1217980 - Posted: 14 Apr 2012, 4:48:35 UTC - in response to Message 1217946.

But there were some news that n.k.'s were trying to sell gps jammers to iranians which with effective protection range of 150km.


That would be great fun watching all the drivers totally up the proverbial, and most not having a clue as to map reading (let alone carrying a map).


I wonder with that gps jammer anyone might confuse modern smart bombs and cruise missiles with few tens of miles off target.

Not knowing how the jammer works, Im wondering if an encyption code saying disregard all other gps singals but our own.
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Message 1218247 - Posted: 14 Apr 2012, 14:29:51 UTC - in response to Message 1217980.

any jammer is a transmitter, therefore a target.

The Korean Rocket escape attempt was thrwarted by the supreme leaders sub-par
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Message 1218266 - Posted: 14 Apr 2012, 15:19:06 UTC - in response to Message 1218247.

It's a shame the people are starving in NK. Otherwise this would be funny
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Message 1218270 - Posted: 14 Apr 2012, 15:24:56 UTC - in response to Message 1218266.

It's a shame the people are starving in NK. Otherwise this would be funny

Yes, it's sad that withholding food aid is the only thing the US can do about the situation.
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Message 1218290 - Posted: 14 Apr 2012, 16:16:01 UTC

A dreadful indictment on the North Korean leaders to spend what little money they have on developing nuclear weapons, rocketry and the standing forces and leaving a significant percentage of their population near starvation.
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Message 1218325 - Posted: 14 Apr 2012, 17:25:17 UTC

Regarding the US holding off on food aid, as I understand it that aid was offered in exchange for NK not doing what it just tried to do. So the choice was that of the NK.

Aside from that, it strikes me that NK is China's 'client state' and the China does not want NK to collapse (both because China does not want an additional flood of NK refugees over the border in to China and would not be happy to see Korea united under the South Koreans). China has the resources and the location to readily offer food aid to NK, it should be on them to offer it.

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