Climate Change, 'Greenhouse' effects, Environment, etc part III

You figure out the long term trend:

The question is: "was is it increasing?" Clearly this shows it is still going up and has a positive growth rate.

Stop confusing the second derivative with the first derivative. As a teacher you should know the difference.

Cite the report and name the "assumptions" it contradicts and how those "assumptions" are used in current GCMs.

Already cited. Go check out the previous editions of this thread.

Your graph may be bigger than my graph, but even you can see that the long term trend is that at some point in the future the growth rate will be negative.

Perhaps I should have spelt it out for you. I thought me giving a date of 2030 and a graph was clue enough of what I meant.

*sigh* You really are very rude and partronising sometimes.

Cite the report and name the "assumptions" it contradicts and how those "assumptions" are used in current GCMs.

Already cited. Go check out the previous editions of this thread.

Good wild goose chase from you...

Care to save us all the wasted chasing and list your reference please?

Your graph may be bigger than my graph, but even you can see that the long term trend is that at some point in the future the growth rate will be negative.

Perhaps I should have spelt it out for you. I thought me giving a date of 2030 and a graph was clue enough of what I meant.

*sigh* You really are very rude and partronising sometimes.

I see the rate of growth flattening out to around 0.4%. I don't see it going below the zero line. It may, but I don't think the data supports that conclusion at this time. In other words people are finding ways to game the system to have more than one child per couple. IIRC a birth rate of about 2.1 is required for zero population growth. It should be obvious that China isn't able to have enforce its policy of a birth rate of 1.0. Note: birth rate is a different scale than the population growth scale on the charts.

Now would you like to talk about a policy of forced abortion and forced sterilization? If China with this is having a problem getting their growth rate to zero is there any hope at all?

euh... i always thought about this ... 'greenhouse'' effect is a joke, a big joke. tahts a big LIE

i live in Quebec, Canada. and no it s not getting any 'warmer' or 'more hot' it s totally the opposite. we have less and less and less summer. and we get more and more and more winter. every year

i dont believe that, its the opposite
i believe more in a new iceage era started coming :(
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euh... i always thought about this ... 'greenhouse'' effect is a joke, a big joke. tahts a big LIE

i live in Quebec, Canada. and no it s not getting any 'warmer' or 'more hot' it s totally the opposite. we have less and less and less summer. and we get more and more and more winter. every year

i dont believe that, its the opposite
i believe more in a new iceage era started coming :(

New piece in the Washington Post

Warmer still: Extreme climate predictions appear most accurate, report says

Climate scientists agree the Earth will be hotter by the end of the century, but their simulations don’t agree on how much. Now a study suggests the gloomier predictions may be closer to the mark.

“Warming is likely to be on the high side of the projections,” said John Fasullo of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo., a co-author of the report, which was based on satellite measurements of the atmosphere.

An unfair comment when the impact of climate warming is not really fully understood.

Certainly the predictions of a 5C rise in average temperatures will cause the biosphere to die is likely to be a proven lie. But, we certainly will get more freak (once in a 100 years) weather on a regular basis. But, the doomsayers are exaggerating.
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But that is what doomsayers do John, they have a reputation to live up to, and a living to earn. The annual subs to the International Doomsayers Society are due 31st December.

A modern equivalent of the 1600s looking for monsters in the woods, or the Grimm fairy tales ...

The population seems to love and support the doom mongers. That is except there are many more educated sane and clearer thinking people around now to challenge them.

Unfortunately, as you say, they make predictions of disaster that is unrealistic - like sea levels will rise more than 150 metres (you will all drown), average temperatures will rise 10C and you will all fry to death, etc.

I would love to come back in 2230 and find they were right on a temperature rise, and an increase in freak weather, but the biosphere, and humans, were in rude health and slightly fewer than now.
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You two are beginning to sound like the Republican supporters in the US. Elderly white and stuck in your beliefs.

It only needs the Atlantic currents to change because of the Artic ice melting and UK weather will change drastically. The Northern parts of UK are at the same latitude as southern Alaska.

Therefore it is possible the the UK is going to get colder not warmer.

I admit to being a believer in climate change since I did a filler module associated with the subject (alternative power sources) at the OU to get my degree in the 70's.

You two are beginning to sound like the Republican supporters in the US. Elderly white and stuck in your beliefs.

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I admit to being a believer in climate change since I did a filler module associated with the subject (alternative power sources) at the OU to get my degree in the 70's.

You two are beginning to sound like the Republican supporters in the US. Elderly white and stuck in your beliefs.

Nuclear winter only solution to global warming that can be implemented from an engineering standpoint in time to save the planet.

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.....I admit to being a believer in climate change since I did a filler module associated with the subject (alternative power sources) at the OU to get my degree in the 70's.

I also believe that Global Warming is happening, and I also believe that the extra energy (temperature) in the atmosphere is producing a more frequent and freaky weather patterns.

I can also see the Arctic ice is disappearing.

So, when the North Atlantic currents (Gulf Stream) stops flowing, and the UK and the near continent starts to cool (same latitude ad Newfoundland and Moscow). Then winter will set in, and, on the same scare mongering prediction as the warmists, within 100 years we will have permanent 9-10 month winters, and start to starve as crop growing cycles are too short. Then within 1,000 years Britain will be under 2 miles of ice and the next great glaciation will occur.

Following this, as the ocean levels drop by 200 meters, as the moisture is locked in the ice and snow across Europe and North America, the Gulf Stream will restart after 10,000 years. Then things will warm up in the UK and Europe, but the human population will be a meer 1,000 billion strong. In the mean time, for survival, humans will burn wood and coal and it all starts again ...
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