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BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
Gary, I think you are generalizing both 'camps' (monotheism and libertarianism). Within the monotheist there is certainly a broad range not only of faiths but of interpretations of faith. Within libertarianism there is a fairly broad range of interpretations as to just how far it goes. Because of this I'd submit it is possible to practice one or another brand of monotheism (religion) and hold to something within the range of libertarianism (politics). That being said, there are certainly groups of monotheists who are distinctly 'my way or the highway' just as there are numbers of libertarians perhaps might more closely resemble the image of armed anarchists we have from the late 19th century.
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Gary, I think you are generalizing both 'camps' (monotheism and libertarianism). Within the monotheist there is certainly a broad range not only of faiths but of interpretations of faith. Within libertarianism there is a fairly broad range of interpretations as to just how far it goes. Or ... there's the "complete lack of rules" libertarian (just do no harm to me, and I shall do no harm to others), and perhaps there's the "just not a huge set of rules from a federal government" libertarian (make federal government as small as possible, limit the number of rules they can impose). Can this second group be justly called libertarian? If so, they want their rules to come from God, not Big Brother. ??? |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
The second group can label themselves libertarian -- that would be a libertarian sort of thing to do... But Gary is correct in describing the morphing of 'Tea Party' from groups who simply wanted smaller government and less taxes, to one which got 'Kochified' or 'Roved' and has become the stalking horse of the right. The issue is that these days the 'TeaPublican' party now has to cope with what the TeaParty folks morphed into -- which scares a segment of the voting population that the Republican party needs.
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betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Guy, Merriam-Webster spells hypocrite with an e on the end. As you are a public school teacher I thought you should know. I will concede that your spelling may be correct but I have not seen it before nor has the dictionary I looked it up in. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30646 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Gary, I think you are generalizing both 'camps' (monotheism and libertarianism). Taking the vocal segments for sure Within the monotheist there is certainly a broad range not only of faiths but of interpretations of faith. Within libertarianism there is a fairly broad range of interpretations as to just how far it goes. As to practice and observant these leave a lot of territory. The organizers of most of the monotheist religions to gain control over the largest number of sheep insisted that all believe or else. While today, at least in the USA, most refuse to act on this, it still is written in their holy book. They used things like Sunday Blue Laws to enforce their beliefs on others. Clearly this is not libertarianism. I'm not saying you can't be a 50% strict observant monotheist and also be a 50% strict observant libertarian, but I doubt you can be 100% of both. I believe I'm correct in saying that more people have been killed in the name of "God" than in all other conflicts combined. Makes a statement about strict observance vs. live and let live. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30646 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Ah, let the spelling flames begin ... |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Ah, let the spelling flames begin ... The devil made me, I could not help it. I'm sorry. |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
Ah, let the spelling flames begin ... Dun wery. Iz K. Janice |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
You are probably right, though the number of deaths one could attribute to Nazism, Facism and Communism might make things be a bit closer. Also, you have ethnic cleansing in Africa with little of God in the middle of things.
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
You are probably right, though the number of deaths one could attribute to Nazism, Facism and Communism might make things be a bit closer. Also, you have ethnic cleansing in Africa with little of God in the middle of things. Nazism had some weird mix of religion in it. |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
Sarge, it used mythical symbols but operated without religion as a cause (except as a cause for targeting one group). |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
And of course the short journey from Hypocritical to Hypercritical. It is the Chicago style -- blame early, blame often.
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
So, now we hear that, in part of the videos filmed during the waste of our $800,000 in taxpayer money, that Obama's Clean Energy Plan is mocked. That would make the money wasters, what ... ? Clearly, they can't be fiscal conservatives, can they? ;) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30646 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
So, now we hear that, in part of the videos filmed during the waste of our $800,000 in taxpayer money, that Obama's Clean Energy Plan is mocked. That would make the money wasters, what ... ? Clearly, they can't be fiscal conservatives, can they? ;) It makes them government employees, the ones who are in the know about the efficiencies of building bureaucracies. |
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