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Message 1211354 - Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 1:10:24 UTC

Anyone know what is going on with these so far returned AP 6.01 tasks?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2371339987
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2371081282

I used the Lunatics 0.40 installer and everything seemed to go all right with the other apps. Is there some part of the installer that didn't get put in for the AstroPulse 6.01 tasks?

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Message 1211358 - Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 1:27:25 UTC - in response to Message 1211354.

Anyone know what is going on with these so far returned AP 6.01 tasks?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2371339987
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2371081282

I used the Lunatics 0.40 installer and everything seemed to go all right with the other apps. Is there some part of the installer that didn't get put in for the AstroPulse 6.01 tasks?

Keith

Raistmer's r555 running on your AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1100T, and failing after 4-6 hours? I don't think we saw anything like that in testing. Interesting (and different) error messages in both cases - I'll ask him to take a look.

You'll probably want to suspend the other 8 AP_v6 tasks you have in progress while he investigates (provided you have enough other work to occupy your CPUs - otherwise, let them run, as the additional output could help diagnosis).

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Message 1211364 - Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 1:43:41 UTC - in response to Message 1211358.

Thanks for the quick response Richard. I think I will suspend the AP 6.01 tasks until I here different. I have plenty of other work. The beta NV AP 5.05 app is still returning good results. On that note ...... is this app ever going to make it out of beta?

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Message 1211394 - Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 3:40:55 UTC

Something else that may possibly be useful for diagnosis is to make a copy of those WUs and see if they do the same thing in stand-alone mode outside of BOINC. Just a suggestion.
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Message 1211396 - Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 3:41:52 UTC

Richard, something else must be going on with the installer. I just updated my other computer with the Lunatics 0.40 installer and now that computer is erroring out the CPU tasks.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2373727865
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2373727863
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2373727861
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2373727859
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2373727858
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2373727856
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2373727854

Can you backlevel to the old 0.39 installer?

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Message 1211404 - Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 4:01:28 UTC - in response to Message 1211396.
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Richard, something else must be going on with the installer. I just updated my other computer with the Lunatics 0.40 installer and now that computer is erroring out the CPU tasks.

Keith


i see 72 errors from your AMD with the 560ti
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<core_client_version>6.10.60</core_client_version>
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Incorrect function. (0x1) - exit code 1 (0x1)
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Message 1211405 - Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 4:05:02 UTC

Congratulations on finding the only broken .40 installer in the known universe. You win the prize! Your super-secret surprise will arrive in the mail in a few days.




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Message 1211406 - Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 4:05:21 UTC - in response to Message 1211404.

Richard, my mistake using the installer. I thought I had properly toggled the radio button for the AMD app. But after comparing the correctly running app on the first computer, noticed the other one had installed the Intel app. I just redid the installer and checked the app_info and see that it has the correct AMD app now. Sorry, for the panic.

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Message 1211409 - Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 4:09:16 UTC - in response to Message 1211394.

Not sure how to do that exactly. Guess you turn off network communications and run through the task without letting it report?

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Message 1211414 - Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 4:19:53 UTC
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if you want to go back ...

in the system tray look for the boinc icon, right click and choose exit , should get a box and be sure to have checked : Stop running science applications when exiting the manager..
and then reinstall the 0.39
be sure to have a close look on the programs you choose to install
(the installer should delete your old app_info and make a new one)

and then restart your Manager from start menu


or you can wait an expert :)
i guess nothing can be worst.
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Message 1211488 - Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 10:35:00 UTC - in response to Message 1211414.

Should have been more explicit. Meant how to run the AP6.01 tasks offline. I don't need to backlevel the Lunatics app since the errored tasks were caused by a mistake in setup. Just have to deal with the problem of errored tasks and resends always caused by my inevitable typo in modifying app_info and then dumping my cache.

Another question. Are the AP6.01 tasks very different from the AP5.05 ones? Are they doing a lot more science? I was wondering why their completion times are so much longer than AP5.05 tasks. Looks like it will take quite a bit of time to build up 10 completed tasks in order to generate a APR that I can then use to input a valid FLOPS the application.

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Message 1211529 - Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 14:32:39 UTC
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No AP 6.01 is not much different.
The calcultion is done different and outlier detection added but both apps r555 and r557 are definetly faster than r409.
On my machine ~35% - 45%.
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Message 1211571 - Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 15:59:38 UTC

Keeping tasks for offline runs: look into you project dir and copy the tasks to someplace else. If we have the task links, we can grab the task from the server, but with the line that saturated...

Offline runs of suspect tasks are best done by somebody else and not on the affected host. Not that I think something is wrong wioth the task itself.

Completion times should actually be faster than r409. Another indication something is wrong.

For the umptiest time: the NVidia OpenCL app will make it out of beta and into the installer, when it doesn't hog a CPU core on last generation drivers.
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Message 1211574 - Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 16:00:20 UTC
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Avx takes 15-16 hours on my FX-8150. Thats significantly faster than the SSE or is it SSE2.

It appears to be about 20-40K faster than the stock app on an i7 860



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Message 1211576 - Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 16:10:13 UTC - in response to Message 1211488.

Should have been more explicit. Meant how to run the AP6.01 tasks offline.

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Message 1211737 - Posted: 30 Mar 2012, 2:06:00 UTC - in response to Message 1211576.

I noticed that there a couple of new files in the Seti directory after the installer finished. First there is something called a "wisdom" file. Second, there is a dll called libfftw3f-3 that I don't remember being there from the 0.39 installer. I wonder if the issue with the failed AP6.01 tasks was that this file wasn't loaded. If I remember generally, you don't load a .DLL file until you reboot Windows, which I did not do, I just stopped BOINC, ran the installer and restarted BOINC. I didn't see any mention of rebooting Windows after the install in the release notes. Maybe I was supposed to reboot as a general principle.

I decided to restart the suspended AP6.01 tasks to see if they would properly complete. I seem to have successfully finished one task with a couple of other failed. The failed ones might have been worked on before I rebooted Windows and maybe the .DLL issue was to blame.

I don't see any improvement in completion times with AP6.01 app compared to the old 5.05 app. I completed the successful task in about 50K seconds, right about where AP5.05 tasks finished with the Lunatics CPU app from the 0.39 installer.

I will continue to crunch AP6.01 tasks unless I start seeing every task failing.

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Message 1211775 - Posted: 30 Mar 2012, 4:48:44 UTC

The libfftw DLL is static/built-in to the optimized AP apps, but I guess it is still included/there as a back-up?
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Message 1211792 - Posted: 30 Mar 2012, 5:51:42 UTC - in response to Message 1211775.

The libfftw DLL is static/built-in to the optimized AP apps, but I guess it is still included/there as a back-up?

r555 has dynamic linkage vs FFTW. So FFTW DLL isrequired for it to operate properly. For GPU builds too.

Linkage was changed in my builds to reflect multicore nature of today PCs.
Shared via DLL code can reside in common cache. Also, it will use less memory. Will these effects affect performance and in what degree - not known currently.

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Message 1211851 - Posted: 30 Mar 2012, 8:57:12 UTC - in response to Message 1211737.

Second, there is a dll called libfftw3f-3 that I don't remember being there from the 0.39 installer. I wonder if the issue with the failed AP6.01 tasks was that this file wasn't loaded. If I remember generally, you don't load a .DLL file until you reboot Windows...

No, that only applies if you're updating previous DLLs which are being used by an application or process which can't be be stopped - and that usually means only core Windows components. Because we can (and do) stop both BOINC and the science applications when the installer runs, we'll never need you to reboot Windows just for Lunatics.

You may be confusing program installation with Windows Update, which does need to work on core components.

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Message 1211862 - Posted: 30 Mar 2012, 9:40:02 UTC
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The wisdom file is generated by the app - something to do with picking the best fft out of the lib. Up to now it was generated in the slot directory.
Not having to generate it because you can get one from the projet dir saves some time.
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