... Who gives you, any other person, or King (AKA Government) The Right to CONTROL Free Individuals Freedoms?

And what of overwhelming, coercive, deceptive, exploitive Marketing controlling and limiting Individuals Freedoms?...

Or in your world is the "Free Market" free even to enslave and to commit misery and murder all for the sake of profit?

Good to see that our freedom to enjoy a non nicotine-polluted cleaner environment is being successfully fought for against the new wave of tobacco advertising:


Three e-cigarette TV adverts banned

Three television adverts for electronic cigarettes have been banned, just weeks after the rules were changed so people could be shown using them.

Two of the adverts featured a woman exhaling vapour which, according to the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA), appeared to glamourise the smoking of tobacco products. Another was said to be encouraging non-smokers to take up e-cigarettes.

The ASA had received more than 200 complaints about the adverts...



Long gone are the days when a visit to the local pub meant that you and all your clothes STANK of stale ash and fags...

Hopefully such Marketed silliness is long consigned to the trash of ignominy.


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Long gone are the days when a visit to the local pub meant that you and all your clothes STANK of stale ash and fags...

Yep, the good old days, now we're used to seeing drunks either sprawled on the streets or fighting & filling up the A&E departments puking up all that pink slime they demolished earlier.

... Long gone are the days when a visit to the local pub meant that you and all your clothes STANK of stale ash and fags...

Hopefully such Marketed silliness is long consigned to the trash of ignominy.

Your Post does REEK (pun intended) of Right Wing Puritanism.

You do understand I find the Left Wing Controllers to REEK (pun intended) just as badly, as the Right Wing Controllers.

Their Foundational Ideology is The Same.

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That's alright then...

Let the smokers smoke themselves and everyone around them to an early painful delirious death. Roy Castle is a famous example and he never smoked himself.

Let the vapers vape themselves and everyone around to a less smelly but still an early painful delirious death.

I'll go around with my WWII regulation gas mask and super giant super strength Jays toilet air freshener and freshener-up the lot of them. Crocodile Dundee styled baseball bat to hand if any further freshening might be required.


Does that fit your world of my exercising my rights to the freedom not to be inflicted by others' nicotine habits?


Or they can restrict themselves to their own gas chambers never to be seen alive again.

Does that fit any better?


Or we can have better education to overcome the Marketing lies...?

Or we instead kill the Marketing lies and false allusions?...


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'Smoking ONLY' Places might be a solution to Non-Smokers (I am one).

Which is what came to be despite much loud angst and wailing and Tobacco Industry sponsored claims of death to socializing as we know it.

I'm still vehemently angry that didn't come into force many years earlier. The tobacco industry certainly made some of my socializing a misery. As far as I'm concerned, the profiteers there have literally criminally got away 'Scot Free' with murder. People died, before their time, and still do so from the way tobacco is peddled to its victims.


The ongoing persuasive stink is to convince the present day "vapers" that despite what is alluded to, they very much still are smoking and that despite their claims of "only water vapour", the added nasties are still there and anyone with a functional nose senses that as a STINK. Imagine a can of toilet air freshener being released...


And so for some enforced consideration, we now have the ever reducing huddles of die-hard smokers in their smokers dens with the rest of the public areas free and unpolluted to be enjoyed by both smokers (not smoking) and non-smokers alike.

Why could we not have had that 50 years ago?...


Such are coercive criminal industries...

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... Then make cigarettes Illegal. Don't infringe on people's Right to be stupid...

There should be no need to make tobacco 'illegal'.

However, are you condoning how the tobacco industry appear to have cynically and cruelly duped a significant proportion of our population to a sick death?


Here's the latest salvo with the expected cynical wailing from the tobacco lobbying group:

Smoking rot highlighted in campaign

Smoking "rots" the body from within, warns this year's quit smoking campaign from Public Health England (PHE).

The graphic online and print billboard adverts feature a roll-up cigarette full of decaying tissue. While many smokers know the damage tobacco does to their hearts and lungs, they are much less likely to be aware of how harmful it can be to other parts of the body, says PHE.

Cigarettes can damage the bones, muscles, brain, teeth and eyes. Current smokers are at double the risk of Alzheimer's disease, for example.

Chief Medical Officer Dame Sally Davies says the adverts have been designed to shock and educate, but smoking groups branded the campaign as poisonous...



Profits at all cost and without any morals or scruples and misery and death be damned?

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Take one perfectly good natural product, and then abuse it as Marketing slime?...


Why are so many drinks flavoured with honey?

... honey has experienced something of a surge in popularity. The number of food and drink launches in the UK with honey as a named ingredient has doubled over the past four years to 4%, according to market researchers Mintel.

In October Warburtons launched a "Honey Wheat" loaf. Sugar Puffs were recently rebranded as "Honey Monster Puffs". Drinks such as Jack Daniels' Tennessee Honey and Three Barrels Honey brandy have been "a huge success", says Vince Bamford, food and drink editor at The Grocer magazine. Honey-flavoured meat glazes are increasingly popular, he adds. Honey is having a moment.

It is largely down to "perceptions of health" ... He highlights data from the US where a third of those surveyed believed sugar was bad for their health, but six out of ten thought honey was good for them...

... while science does suggest that some high-quality honey has some health benefits, the kind of honey flavouring your cereal is "hardly different to the white sugar on your table"...



So much for what Marketing can do for ancient grains and honey!


Is there no stopping the food industry food slime?

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... Saying Individual Freedoms are Paramount. Condones anything that any Capitalist Company does?...

As you keep banging on about...

That is one for a new thread. Care to start the new discussion?

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A few baby steps for healthier eating for the forever maligned school dinners:


New rules for healthy school dinners

New rules for school meals in England will come into force next week, at the beginning of the new term.

Meals must include one or more portions of vegetables or salad every day and no more than two portions of fried foods or pastry-based foods each week.

The rules promote drinking water and limit fruit juice servings to 150ml...


(Fruit juice should be 'good', except for those as supplied that have been adulterated with enough sugar to blow your intake for many days worth!...)


Hopefully something of more substance than the typical "New Year's Resolution"...?


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... "condoning" bad things Company's do, by asking about Individual Freedoms to do bad things to oneself.

Stating that responding requires a "new thread"...

You have your new thread for arguing the balance of freedoms...

All a game of fair or foul and what morals might there be or should be imposed even?...

Or do you play by "anything goes" and everyone else around be damned?

Can we move that over to be a part of the Exploitation of Humans thread please?...


And as for yet another one of the costs of the freedom to be exploited:


Blood test to help smokers 'find best way to quit'

... Studies show as many as 60% of people who try to give up start smoking again in the first week... ... Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances in cigarettes - smokers crave more nicotine when their body's levels drop, prompting them to smoke again...

... Varenicline is a non-nicotine based drug that is available on prescription. Doctors balance potential side-effects - including the risk of depression and suicide - against the harms of continued smoking.

Everyone in the trial had access to behavioural counselling too. ...



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Leave them alone.

For drugs and tobacco victims, is that really what is wanted?...

Here's a very good first hand article for how the wrong direction is too often the way of things at present:


The Likely Cause of Addiction Has Been Discovered, and it is Not What You Think...

... Ironically, the war on drugs actually increases all those larger drivers of addiction. For example, I went to a prison in Arizona -- 'Tent City' -- where inmates are detained in tiny stone isolation cages ('The Hole') for weeks and weeks on end to punish them for drug use. It is as close to a human recreation of the cages that guaranteed deadly addiction in rats as I can imagine. And when those prisoners get out, they will be unemployable because of their criminal record -- guaranteeing they [will] be cut off even more. I watched this playing out in the human stories I met across the world.

There is an alternative...


Perhaps this where there is a greater need for religion and monasteries and self-help groups and all other forms of meeting in groups than is appreciated...


For the tobacco industry, there is still the cynical manipulation using advertising psychology and by formulating their product to give an instant feedback of false 'relief'... However, the influence of whatever victim's surroundings is much more powerful...


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... Just give the information: THEIR CHOICE.

Correct?

Fair enough given fair and accurate information.

However, instead what we see is overwhelming overpowering intrusive Marketing and direct manipulation that leave most people bewildered, conned, or simply browbeaten and bullied into submission. We see far too much of that in the IT industry. The big players in the food industry appear to be just as cynical and uncaring and manipulating.


There is a big cost to that:


Mark Drakeford on NHS stress from smoking and drinking

The NHS is being put under too much pressure dealing with self-inflicted conditions, the health minister has warned.

Mark Drakeford says it is having to "rescue" people from "harm that need never have happened" through too much smoking, drinking and a poor diet...

... he would do all he could to "bear down" on smoking. He also wants a UK government crackdown on sugar in processed food...


The cost of being unhealthy

We eat too much, drink too much and don't get enough exercise. It's that simple. And if you think that doesn't apply to you, you're probably wrong.

There are seven established factors that raise the risk of ill health. They cover everything from smoking to low fruit and vegetable consumption.

An incredible 93% have at least one risk factor...


And note how the media and "Marketing" are a significant part of our culture...


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Why do McDonald's french fries contain so many ingredients in the US.
Surely all you need is Potato's and oil, and maybe salt but that should be personal choice, shouldn't it.

Mythbusters Grant Imahara explains. (Youtube)

Why do McDonald's french fries contain so many ingredients in the US.
Surely all you need is Potato's and oil, and maybe salt but that should be personal choice, shouldn't it.

Mythbusters Grant Imahara explains. (Youtube)

Focus group. Any more questions?

Or for those that need a bit of help understanding, they try many different recipes and have different groups pick the one they eat the most of. They may not actually be the one they think tastes the best.

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... Just give people the information.

People make the decision if McDonald's, or any other Business, adjusts or fails.

Correct?

WRONG.


With "Ronald McDonald" playing the game of pied piper to the children, the adults follow too...

Add added children enticement with 'free' toys, sweeties (candy), and extra helpings of sugar and salt and that "umami" added ingredient and...


FATTIES R US!


Not only in the USA for that one!

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Correct?

WRONG.


With "Ronald McDonald" playing the game of pied piper to the children, the adults follow too...

I'm sorry you did not get the mandatory classroom lessons in California on how to resist marketing claptrap around the fourth or fifth grade. I can't hear an advertisement now without separating out the hype and discarding it.

P.S. I fully support the Ronald MCDonald House having met people they have helped in difficult times.

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Correct?

WRONG.


With "Ronald McDonald" playing the game of pied piper to the children, the adults follow too...

I'm sorry you did not get the mandatory classroom lessons in California on how to resist marketing claptrap around the fourth or fifth grade. I can't hear an advertisement now without separating out the hype and discarding it.

P.S. I fully support the Ronald MCDonald House having met people they have helped in difficult times.

Gary, not all people enjoy as fine a mind as you have. I, too, attended California public schools, but I find that I still fall victim to advertising on a shockingly regular basis.

McDonald's markets heavily to children. They do that because it pays.

I have no doubt that the charitable arm of McDonalds, the Ronald McDonald house, provides excellent support to families of sick children. I also have no doubt that regular consumption of cheap, poor quality, nutritionally questionable fast food does not promote health in children or in adults.

Gary, not all people enjoy as fine a mind as you have. I, too, attended California public schools, but I find that I still fall victim to advertising on a shockingly regular basis.

Perhaps it was my teacher, or the lesson plans, but it did very much stick with me. I suspect it was not just for advertising, which were the examples used that I remember, but for a method to take apart most any argument someone advanced.

McDonald's markets heavily to children. They do that because it pays.

I can't figure out who their current "I'm Hating It" campaign is actually aimed at. Lots of flowers and the like, I'm wondering if it is for aging hippies?

I have no doubt that the charitable arm of McDonalds, the Ronald McDonald house, provides excellent support to families of sick children.

They do and the people who work there are amazing. Unfortunately, professionally one of their clients needed the services my employer offers, which RMcDH paid for, less our labor which we waived under the circumstances.

I also have no doubt that regular consumption of cheap, poor quality, nutritionally questionable fast food does not promote health in children or in adults.

No doubt. I suggest everyone that orders from them demand a "small" as for some reason they can't understand to offer that size, they only have large and huge. Presently though they are having a lot of trouble selling their products. I suspect because the quality is so low with higher prices than their competition. http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/01/27/mcdonalds-corporations-2014-collapse-ends-an-envia.aspx Perhaps the public really doesn't want their swill anymore?

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People's FREE Choice.

Understand you don't agree.

If "people's free choice" is a fast track to public health problems, then government intervention in the form of education, labeling requirements, marketing restrictions and regulation may be warranted.

Worked for tobacco...

Why do YOU need control?

Because another person's lack of control can impact my life.

Without education you might choose to live on fast food and drive up my health care costs.

Without smog requirements for your vehicle, you might decide to muck up the air I breathe.

Without speed limits you might choose to drive unsafely on the freeway and jeopardize my life.

I could go on, obviously, but you get the general gist.

I am not a control freak, but a little government intervention, taken in moderation, can be a good thing.

Without education you might choose to live on fast food and drive up my health care costs.

That should make no difference on your health care costs, because you pay for your health care, no one else does and you don't pay for any other person's health care either.

Oh, wait, you do want someone else to pay for your care, which obligates you to pay for others care (insurance); so now we get your point.

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