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Message 1226554 - Posted: 3 May 2012, 5:39:54 UTC - in response to Message 1214501.  

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Could you give AP tasks more attention again and look if after Intel driver removal there is no GPU low usage bug on your host indeed?

Sure, I'll re-enable AP on ATI.

For the record, I don't have any monitor attached to the VGA outlet on the motherboard either. Only to the ATI card. I wasn't using the Intel HD graphics, but apparently that doesn't matter for installing the drivers or not. I have now disabled it in Device Manager, as extra security measure.


So far I found that this bug disappears when some cores leaved free, w/o restarting GPU app. So, latest Cat drivers not able to get CPU when needed, even if busy with idle-priority process. Freeing even 1 core of 4 hugely improves GPU load when low GPU load observed, w/o restarting GPU app.
So, situation on AMD side not too differs in its results from situation on NV side.
On NV OpenCL app takes full core for synching, and AMD it needs full core to be adequately fast. In both cases 1 CPU core goes to waste...
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Message 1227494 - Posted: 5 May 2012, 1:46:10 UTC - in response to Message 1226554.  

I'm new to gpu computing. I have a nvidia 4200, windows 7 (64bit). I had a very old driver, so I installed 12.4, and then used the 0.4 installer to install lunatic. I saw on the thread that 12.4 doesn't work well with lunatic, so I installed 12.1.

I'm getting the same problem: calculation errors after 1 - 2 seconds. I'm also seeing project backoff errors during download. The last few lines of the event log look like this:

5/4/2012 9:35:34 PM | SETI@home | Temporarily failed download of 21fe11ad.13768.21909.9.10.254: transient HTTP error
5/4/2012 9:35:34 PM | SETI@home | Backing off 3 min 42 sec on download of 21fe11ad.13768.21909.9.10.254
5/4/2012 9:35:37 PM | | Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
5/4/2012 9:35:39 PM | | Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
5/4/2012 9:39:17 PM | SETI@home | Started download of 21fe11ad.13768.21909.9.10.254
5/4/2012 9:40:02 PM | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
5/4/2012 9:40:02 PM | SETI@home | Reporting 1 completed tasks, requesting new tasks for CPU
5/4/2012 9:40:10 PM | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 1 new tasks
5/4/2012 9:40:12 PM | SETI@home | Started download of 20dc10aa.32745.23436.15.10.183
5/4/2012 9:41:11 PM | SETI@home | Temporarily failed download of 21fe11ad.13768.21909.9.10.254: transient HTTP error
5/4/2012 9:41:11 PM | SETI@home | Backing off 6 min 18 sec on download of 21fe11ad.13768.21909.9.10.254
5/4/2012 9:41:25 PM | | Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
5/4/2012 9:41:27 PM | | Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
5/4/2012 9:41:51 PM | SETI@home | Temporarily failed download of 20dc10aa.32745.23436.15.10.183: transient HTTP error
5/4/2012 9:41:51 PM | SETI@home | Backing off 2 min 7 sec on download of 20dc10aa.32745.23436.15.10.183
5/4/2012 9:41:53 PM | | Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
5/4/2012 9:41:54 PM | | Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
5/4/2012 9:44:14 PM | SETI@home | Started download of 21fe11ad.13768.21909.9.10.254
5/4/2012 9:44:14 PM | SETI@home | Started download of 20dc10aa.32745.23436.15.10.183
5/4/2012 9:44:36 PM | SETI@home | Finished download of 21fe11ad.13768.21909.9.10.254
5/4/2012 9:44:36 PM | SETI@home | Starting task 21fe11ad.13768.21909.9.10.254_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 603 in slot 0
5/4/2012 9:44:37 PM | SETI@home | Computation for task 21fe11ad.13768.21909.9.10.254_1 finished
5/4/2012 9:44:37 PM | SETI@home | Output file 21fe11ad.13768.21909.9.10.254_1_0 for task 21fe11ad.13768.21909.9.10.254_1 absent


Am I missing something simple?

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Message 1227534 - Posted: 5 May 2012, 2:36:04 UTC - in response to Message 1227494.  

I'm new to gpu computing. I have a nvidia 4200, windows 7 (64bit).

That's an AMD GPU, maybe a HD2400? That's an old model, with mot much video RAM. I'm not familiar with AMD video hardware but the lack of memory may be an issue.


I'm also seeing project backoff errors during download.

Bandwidth is always maxed out here, so downloads are always a problem. The excessive backoffs with 6.12.xx clients make trying to get work even more difficult. 7.x.xx is meant to be better in that regard.


The last few lines of the event log look like this:
5/4/2012 9:44:36 PM | SETI@home | Starting task 21fe11ad.13768.21909.9.10.254_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 603 in slot 0
5/4/2012 9:44:37 PM | SETI@home | Computation for task 21fe11ad.13768.21909.9.10.254_1 finished
5/4/2012 9:44:37 PM | SETI@home | Output file 21fe11ad.13768.21909.9.10.254_1_0 for task 21fe11ad.13768.21909.9.10.254_1 absent


setiathome_enhanced version 603 are CPU Work Units. Absent output file, from a quick search, may relate to permission issues, or even a scrabled file system. Running Chkdsk would probably be a good start.
Open Explorer, right click on the drive BOINC is on (most likely C:), Properties, Tools tab, Error checking.
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Message 1227535 - Posted: 5 May 2012, 2:36:13 UTC - in response to Message 1227494.  
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Am I missing something simple?

1) "Temporarily failed download" is quite usual when the Internet link at the servers is overloaded (which is that way most of the time and everybody have this "problem" with downloads):
http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/grapher.cgi?target=%2Frouter-interfaces%2Finr-250%2Fgigabitethernet2_3;view=Octets

2) I don't know what you mean by "I have a nvidia 4200" but if you talk about Computer 6560195
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6560195

... it have:
CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 630 Processor [Family 16 Model 5 Stepping 2]
Coprocessors AMD ATI Radeon HD 2300/2400/3200 (RV610) (256MB) driver: 1.4.1720
Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)

So:

a) For your CPU errors: From Lunatics ReadMe.txt (found in ...\BOINC\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu\docs\) and also available on the Lunatics site:
http://lunatics.kwsn.net/index.php?module=Downloads;sa=dlview;id=328
http://lunatics.kwsn.net/downloads/Lunatics%20ReadMev0.40.txt

"ATTENTION: If you have an AMD CPU running under 64 bit, you HAVE to choose the
MB application labeled 'AMD', as the others will not work.

If you are running an AMD CPU under 32 bit non-AMD labeled apps may or may not
work. If the app is incompatible, you are likely to see tasks erroring out very
quickly with 'output file absent' recorded in the log."

b) You say "I saw on the thread that 12.4 doesn't work well with lunatic, so I installed 12.1"
but the version "1.4.1720" is Not Catalyst 12.1 (= 1.4.1664)
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/boinc_ati_gpu_cheat_sheet.htm

c) But the driver version may not matter (i.e. you can stay on 1.4.1720 if it works)
because for that older GPU the only app in the Lunatics Installer that may work is:
AP6_win_x86_SSE_Brook_r555


 


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Message 1227813 - Posted: 5 May 2012, 13:12:33 UTC - in response to Message 1227535.  


a) For your CPU errors: From Lunatics ReadMe.txt (found in ...\BOINC\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu\docs\) and also available on the Lunatics site:
http://lunatics.kwsn.net/index.php?module=Downloads;sa=dlview;id=328
http://lunatics.kwsn.net/downloads/Lunatics%20ReadMev0.40.txt

"ATTENTION: If you have an AMD CPU running under 64 bit, you HAVE to choose the
MB application labeled 'AMD', as the others will not work.

If you are running an AMD CPU under 32 bit non-AMD labeled apps may or may not
work. If the app is incompatible, you are likely to see tasks erroring out very
quickly with 'output file absent' recorded in the log."

b) You say "I saw on the thread that 12.4 doesn't work well with lunatic, so I installed 12.1"
but the version "1.4.1720" is Not Catalyst 12.1 (= 1.4.1664)
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/boinc_ati_gpu_cheat_sheet.htm

c) But the driver version may not matter (i.e. you can stay on 1.4.1720 if it works)
because for that older GPU the only app in the Lunatics Installer that may work is:
AP6_win_x86_SSE_Brook_r555

[/quote]

a] I checked my main CPU, whicih is an AMD Athlon II 4630, which is a 64 bit CPU, so that shouldn't be the problem ([url]http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-Athlon%20II%20X4%20630%20-%20ADX630WFK42GI%20%28ADX630WFGIBOX%29.html[url]

b) I ran the 12.1 Vista suite, I swear. Is there a reason why it wouldn't show up on the graphics card?

c) this looks promisting. I looked at kwsn.net for ap6_win?x86_ss_r55e with no hits. I googled it as well, nothing. Where could I find it? Is there an ancient history archive somewhere?
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Message 1227825 - Posted: 5 May 2012, 13:41:24 UTC - in response to Message 1227813.  

c) this looks promisting. I looked at kwsn.net for ap6_win?x86_ss_r55e with no hits. I googled it as well, nothing. Where could I find it? Is there an ancient history archive somewhere?

The exact application name is 'AP6_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATI_r555.exe', but you don't have to google it or download it separately - it's one of the applications included in the v0.40 installer - even a default choice, IIRC.
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Message 1227827 - Posted: 5 May 2012, 13:48:34 UTC

For CPU apps
You should choose the app labled AMD.

For GPU
Minimum Card with OpenCL cabability is HD 4350. (AMD OpenCL requirements)
This has nothing to do with Lunatics or the optimized apps.




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Message 1227836 - Posted: 5 May 2012, 14:07:37 UTC - in response to Message 1227827.  

For CPU apps
You should choose the app labled AMD.

For GPU
Minimum Card with OpenCL cabability is HD 4350. (AMD OpenCL requirements)
This has nothing to do with Lunatics or the optimized apps.


Agreed, He most likely has an onboard GPU that is only capable of using the Brooks Hybrid app for AP WU's. running MB won't work at all


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Message 1227867 - Posted: 5 May 2012, 15:49:11 UTC - in response to Message 1227813.  

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c) But the driver version may not matter (i.e. you can stay on 1.4.1720 if it works)
because for that older GPU the only app in the Lunatics Installer that may work is:
AP6_win_x86_SSE_Brook_r555

c) this looks promisting. I looked at kwsn.net for ap6_win?x86_ss_r55e with no hits. I googled it as well, nothing. Where could I find it? Is there an ancient history archive somewhere?
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The Lunatics v0.40 installer includes the AP6_win_x86_SSE_Brook_r555.exe file, you just need to choose it.
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Message 1228443 - Posted: 6 May 2012, 21:14:09 UTC - in response to Message 1227836.  

For CPU apps
You should choose the app labled AMD.

For GPU
Minimum Card with OpenCL cabability is HD 4350. (AMD OpenCL requirements)
This has nothing to do with Lunatics or the optimized apps.


Agreed, He most likely has an onboard GPU that is only capable of using the Brooks Hybrid app for AP WU's. running MB won't work at all


This is 100% the case. It seems like the problem is that I'm using a stone age graphics card. I'm planing to upgrade in the near future anyway, I can move the upgrade up by a few months. How about I just leave things as they are and see if they work better on the new card?

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Message 1228493 - Posted: 6 May 2012, 23:16:10 UTC - in response to Message 1228443.  
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How about I just leave things as they are and see if they work better on the new card?

If you "leave things as they are" (= wrong apps) you will generate errors.

Either return to stock/standard apps (Remove/Add project)
or run again the Lunatics Installer (Lunatics_Win64_v0.40_setup.exe)
and choose the proper apps - AMD for CPU and nothing for GPU




P.S.
ap_6.01r557_SSE2_331_AVX.exe work OK and is faster on my AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=67407&nowrap=true#1213064


 


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Message 1250183 - Posted: 23 Jun 2012, 0:02:57 UTC - in response to Message 1228493.  

How about I just leave things as they are and see if they work better on the new card?

If you "leave things as they are" (= wrong apps) you will generate errors.

Either return to stock/standard apps (Remove/Add project)
or run again the Lunatics Installer (Lunatics_Win64_v0.40_setup.exe)
and choose the proper apps - AMD for CPU and nothing for GPU




P.S.
ap_6.01r557_SSE2_331_AVX.exe work OK and is faster on my AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=67407&nowrap=true#1213064




OK. I'm about to install a spanking new Radeon HD6570. Everything has been trucking along since the last update, with benchmarks around 6600 dhrystone. I still have the same CPU, and only have an interest in running SETI at the moment.

If I'm getting this right, I can run lunaticswin6440.04.exe, set it for CPU (NO GPU), and it should optimize for the new card. Am I missing anything?

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Message 1250610 - Posted: 23 Jun 2012, 21:25:25 UTC - in response to Message 1211365.  
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A couple of comments on freeing one core, as a refinement but not as a recommendation.

For any host with up to 100 CPU cores, setting 99% frees one core. BOINC rounds down to the nearest fraction.

I wouldn't use that setting. Instead, when setting the <count> fields to control how many GPU tasks run at once I'd set the <avg_ncpus> fields such that when all GPUs had work there would be a CPU core freed, but if GPU work was running out all CPU cores would go back to doing pure CPU tasks. For a single GPU situation, <avg_ncpus> would be the same as or a tiny bit higher than <count>, for multiple GPUs it would scale down:

            1 GPU       2 GPUs       3 GPUs
<count>  <avg_ncpus>  <avg_ncpus>  <avg_ncpus>
  0.5        0.5          0.25         0.167
  0.33       0.34         0.167        0.112
  0.25       0.25         0.125        0.084
  0.2        0.2          0.1          0.067
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OK. I'm about to install a spanking new Radeon HD6570. Everything has been trucking along since the last update, with benchmarks around 6600 dhrystone. I still have the same CPU, and only have an interest in running SETI at the moment.

If I'm getting this right, I can run lunaticswin6440.04.exe, set it for CPU (NO GPU), and it should optimize for the new card. Am I missing anything?



You mean your Radeon HD6570? Then you should fill in the ATI part of the installer. Or do you want to only run CPU? (Check CPU capabillities like
SS(S)E3(x)4.1/4.2).
Why don't you use your 'spanking new Radeon HD6570', you can run MB
and AstroPulse work which works amazingly effective on an ATI 5000 or higher
series. A runtime of less then 1 hour to a few hours, CPU time is very
depending on % of RADAR-Blanking.

You can run multiple WUs per GPU and crashes are very rare,
AV scans(!) disable them for BOINC also WINDOWs updates are the most common reasons. The rev.390 MB app. and rev.555 app. for AstroPulse are stable and
haven't seen much errors from these. have a look at this
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an i7-2600 and 2 ATI 5870 GPUs.


I freed up one 'thread', 0.5 core of an i7 and used BOINCs setting:
use 87.50 of CPU, I used your method in my app_info.xml trying
to improve loading of the 2nd ATI 5870 GPU.
But stopped running multiple WUs on a GPU, less effective, easier to compaire
run-times v.s NVidia GPUs. Although GPU load running 1 a GPU are 67% average.
(GPU 0, always has a higher load as GPU 1)!

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Message 1250652 - Posted: 23 Jun 2012, 22:19:29 UTC - in response to Message 1228493.  
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How about I just leave things as they are and see if they work better on the new card?

If you "leave things as they are" (= wrong apps) you will generate errors.

Either return to stock/standard apps (Remove/Add project)
or run again the Lunatics Installer (Lunatics_Win64_v0.40_setup.exe)
and choose the proper apps - AMD for CPU and nothing for GPU




P.S.
ap_6.01r557_SSE2_331_AVX.exe work OK and is faster on my AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=67407&nowrap=true#1213064



Are those apps. used at Bêta, or already released for upgrade of rev.(330(?)390
for MB and rev.555 for AstroPulse? (rev.557?) for GPU
Ahh, but these are the C.P.U. app.s not A.T.I. (AMD) G.P.U.s !
(Should install those or newer(?) on Bêta, anyway)!?

An i7(i5 & i3) should benefit from AVX also SSE3(or higher).
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You mean your Radeon HD6570? Then you should fill in the ATI part of the installer. Or do you want to only run CPU? (Check CPU capabillities like
SS(S)E3(x)4.1/4.2).
Why don't you use your 'spanking new Radeon HD6570', you can run MB
and AstroPulse work which works amazingly effective on an ATI 5000 or higher
series. A runtime of less then 1 hour to a few hours, CPU time is very
depending on % of RADAR-Blanking.

You can run multiple WUs per GPU and crashes are very rare,
AV scans(!) disable them for BOINC also WINDOWs updates are the most common reasons. The rev.390 MB app. and rev.555 app. for AstroPulse are stable and
haven't seen much errors from these. have a look at this
host
an i7-2600 and 2 ATI 5870 GPUs.


I freed up one 'thread', 0.5 core of an i7 and used BOINCs setting:
use 87.50 of CPU, I used your method in my app_info.xml trying
to improve loading of the 2nd ATI 5870 GPU.
But stopped running multiple WUs on a GPU, less effective, easier to compaire
run-times v.s NVidia GPUs. Although GPU load running 1 a GPU are 67% average.
(GPU 0, always has a higher load as GPU 1)!
[/quote]


I hate to sound dimwitted, but I just want to be clear. SO when I get the Radeon in (new power source just got in the other day), I run the Lunatics Installer, and select GPU. It installs a driver for the GPU. After that I can select for multibeam and astropulse in the SETI control panel, right?

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Message 1253719 - Posted: 30 Jun 2012, 13:58:25 UTC - in response to Message 1253710.  
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I hate to sound dimwitted, but I just want to be clear. SO when I get the Radeon in (new power source just got in the other day), I run the Lunatics Installer, and select GPU. It installs a driver for the GPU. After that I can select for multibeam and astropulse in the SETI control panel, right?

Not quite.

First, you have to install a driver to suit your hardware. The card will come with its own installation CD/DVD (supplied by the card manufacturer), or you can download the current driver from the AMD download page. Make sure you choose the right one for your operating system - if Windows, Win7 or XP, 32-bit or 64-bit. Make sure installation is complete, and all necessary computer reboots have been completed.

Then, run the Lunatics Installer. It will let you choose SETI programs - Astropulse and/or MultiBeam, CPU and/or GPU - as you wish, and copy them to your machine ready for BOINC to use.

After that, manage your crunching via this website and the BOINC Manager as usual. There is no 'SETI control panel' as such.
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Message 1253724 - Posted: 30 Jun 2012, 14:01:54 UTC - in response to Message 1253710.  
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I hate to sound dimwitted, but I just want to be clear. SO when I get the Radeon in (new power source just got in the other day), I run the Lunatics Installer, and select GPU. It installs a driver for the GPU. After that I can select for multibeam and astropulse in the SETI control panel, right?

Nope, the Lunatics Installer doesn't install any drivers, you have to install them yourself prior to running the Lunatics Installer,

ATI Driver downloads

The Lunatics Installer only installs the Optimised apps that you select, ie, a CPU Multibeam app, a CPU Astropulse v6 app, a Cuda MB app, an ATI OpenCL MB app, an ATI OpenCL Astropulse v6 app or a ATI Brook+ Hybrid Astropulse v6 app.

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Message 1253728 - Posted: 30 Jun 2012, 14:10:08 UTC - in response to Message 1253710.  
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These are the settings for using AMD CPU + ATI GPU for SETI
(if you have AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 630 Processor, AMD Radeon HD 6570, Windows 7 x64)






P.S.
- The screenshots are from the 32 bit Lunatics Installer, I don't know if the 64 bit looks the same.
(obviously the 'SSE (p3)' and 'SSE2' will not be in the 64 bit Lunatics Installer as these CPUs are not 64 bit)

- There is no file called lunaticswin6440.04.exe
The file (Lunatics Installer 64 bit) is Lunatics_Win64_v0.40_setup.exe
http://lunatics.kwsn.net/index.php?module=Downloads;catd=9

- The Lunatics Installer does NOT install any driver for the GPU
It just puts some files (.exe, .dll, .xml, ...) in the SETI directory (....\BOINC\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu\)


 


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Message 1256017 - Posted: 5 Jul 2012, 19:24:45 UTC

OK. I got the card installed, and it's driver loaded up. BOINC recognizes that it is there.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6560195

Everything is running along smoothly, but I am not seeing an increase in benchmark speed. I've been fiddling with allowing astro pulse and other settings, nothing seems to work. Should I just uninstall seti, Reinstall it, and run the lunatics 64 installer and see if that perks it up? If I do, will that lose my progress?


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Message 1256024 - Posted: 5 Jul 2012, 19:43:03 UTC - in response to Message 1256017.  

The installer does not change the benchmarks in any way.

It simply installs replacement SETI science applications, as the name implies.

You will not see any change in the estimated runtime, either, until BOINC has had a chance to assess how well the new applications perform. But - assuming you followed the screenshots that BilBg posted - you could expect that SETI and Astropulse CPU tasks finish in half the time that the stock applications took for equivalent tasks.

Don't change anything yet, give yourself time to see how things are working first.
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