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Message 1210663 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 12:08:56 UTC - in response to Message 1210660.  
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If Richard can't write GTX6xx or nVIDIA Kepler or Kepler GPU - or what ever?

Yes, mea culpa, I should have proofread more carefully.

But in mitigation, I did post seven times in Kepler ... the good news ... - I think most people keeping up with all the recent developments will have made the connection.

And as LadyL says, it was very much a last minute addition - you'll find that the version of the release notes packed inside the installer doesn't have that line, because the cards hadn't been released and weren't available for testing when the final release version of the installer was compiled for testing.

Yes Richard, you should work on your communication skills a bit more.

Hmmm. 'Communication', eh? Remind me what that means, please?
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Message 1210665 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 12:10:15 UTC - in response to Message 1210600.  

The astropulse app is OpenCL and to be honest Nvidia is a little behind ATI with OpenCL.

CUDA is NVidia's programming model, OpenCL is AMD/ATIs.
Not surprisingly, NVidia spend most of their time developing their model.


Not quite, AMD/ATI used CAL for a long time and it worked great on several projects. They are in the process of phasing it out though and will be going to OpenCL only with the next SDK.

AVG doesn't like SDK, It went after a dll and the stock Seti app saying they were both infected, even when downloaded fresh. This was even after I made an exception attempt to try and head off that behavior...
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Message 1210666 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 12:10:51 UTC - in response to Message 1210663.  

Hmmm. 'Communication', eh? Remind me what that means, please?


That's when you do or say stuff, that gets misinterpreted & misunderstood, and comes back to slap you in the face.

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Message 1210667 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 12:15:01 UTC - in response to Message 1210666.  

Hmmm. 'Communication', eh? Remind me what that means, please?

That's when you do or say stuff, that gets misinterpreted & misunderstood, and comes back to slap you in the face.

We'll have to use Max Clifford next time, then :P
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Message 1210668 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 12:16:54 UTC - in response to Message 1210667.  

Hmmm. 'Communication', eh? Remind me what that means, please?

That's when you do or say stuff, that gets misinterpreted & misunderstood, and comes back to slap you in the face.

We'll have to use Max Clifford next time, then :P

That guy's awesome. You could learn something from that bloke.
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Message 1210669 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 12:22:45 UTC - in response to Message 1210668.  

Hmmm. 'Communication', eh? Remind me what that means, please?

That's when you do or say stuff, that gets misinterpreted & misunderstood, and comes back to slap you in the face.

We'll have to use Max Clifford next time, then :P

That guy's awesome. You could learn something from that bloke.

I do my best to learn from anyone and anywhere - that's what being a messenger pigeon is all about.
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Message 1210670 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 12:28:47 UTC - in response to Message 1210669.  

Hmmm. 'Communication', eh? Remind me what that means, please?

That's when you do or say stuff, that gets misinterpreted & misunderstood, and comes back to slap you in the face.

We'll have to use Max Clifford next time, then :P

That guy's awesome. You could learn something from that bloke.

I do my best to learn from anyone and anywhere - that's what being a messenger pigeon is all about.


Well we can only hope that all messenger pigeons aim to strike so high :D

Back on topic, well done with a great release, and I hope that all should strive to go as smoothly.
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Message 1210716 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 14:47:08 UTC - in response to Message 1210710.  

Just wondering if there is an AVX MB app coming soon?


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Message 1210719 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 14:54:00 UTC - in response to Message 1210716.  

Just wondering if there is an AVX MB app coming soon?

That's one I'll have to pass back to the back rooms at Luna HQ. I'll let you know.

Whatever happens, I suspect the answer will be "not until the release of SETI (multibeam) v7 at the Main project" - which we were half expecting last October, so your guess is as good as mine.
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Message 1210721 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 14:55:49 UTC - in response to Message 1210716.  

Just wondering if there is an AVX MB app coming soon?


Stock beta 6.97/6.98 is already AVX enabled ;) (Yeah I know what you mean, just had to say it :D )
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Message 1210722 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 14:56:30 UTC - in response to Message 1210656.  

We still have some idiots running V12 on Fermi (um GTX 460+ ?) and that is over 2 years and 4 opt app generations old.

I feel that CUDA apps should be checking the cards Compute Capability and if it's higher than the app has been tested on the app should refuse to run. Maybe there needs to be a way to force it to run, but the default should be to Play Safe.

Never going to happen. I never heard of any programmer implementing suicide code except for malicious intent. The builds were designed to be forward & backward compatible, taking advantage of language & driver facilities to do so, and they are. It's a releif that it's proven to work, but deliberately breaking stuff is an approach that has been considered and rejected.

No. I am not suggesting things that used to work should stop, rather that the code should not run on new hardware until it has been validated. Given nVidia drivers are not forwards compliable to me it seems a sensible precaution. As it turned out with Kepler there was not an issue, but Maxwell may be a different story!
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Message 1210726 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 15:02:22 UTC - in response to Message 1210722.  

We still have some idiots running V12 on Fermi (um GTX 460+ ?) and that is over 2 years and 4 opt app generations old.

I feel that CUDA apps should be checking the cards Compute Capability and if it's higher than the app has been tested on the app should refuse to run. Maybe there needs to be a way to force it to run, but the default should be to Play Safe.

Never going to happen. I never heard of any programmer implementing suicide code except for malicious intent. The builds were designed to be forward & backward compatible, taking advantage of language & driver facilities to do so, and they are. It's a releif that it's proven to work, but deliberately breaking stuff is an approach that has been considered and rejected.

No. I am not suggesting things that used to work should stop, rather that the code should not run on new hardware until it has been validated. Given nVidia drivers are not forwards compliable to me it seems a sensible precaution. As it turned out with Kepler there was not an issue, but Maxwell may be a different story!


Ray. I'm not going to intentionally program a non-functional codepath based on detected device characteristics into any of my builds ever. Intel did that, it cost them billions.
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Message 1210733 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 15:15:10 UTC - in response to Message 1210721.  
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Just wondering if there is an AVX MB app coming soon?


Stock beta 6.97/6.98 is already AVX enabled ;) (Yeah I know what you mean, just had to say it :D )


Yep meant the Opt app. And I agree that waiting for the v7 is probably a better use of your time.


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Message 1210746 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 15:51:30 UTC - in response to Message 1210726.  

Ray. I'm not going to intentionally program a non-functional codepath based on detected device characteristics into any of my builds ever. Intel did that, it cost them billions.


Yeah, just think how much it would cost Lunatics if we got mad at them and demanded our money back!! How much did that new installer cost again??


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Message 1210755 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 22:28:55 UTC

It's broken. My first Astropulse 6 completed after 20 seconds. I want a refund. >:o(
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Message 1210777 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 23:30:28 UTC - in response to Message 1210755.  

It's broken. My first Astropulse 6 completed after 20 seconds. I want a refund. >:o(

That was a B3_P1 AP. Those have a problem and are about 98% of the time 100% blanked.

Take a look at the taskID for it and you'll see:

In ap_remove_radar.cpp: get_indices_to_randomize: num_ffts_forecast < 100.  Blanking too much RFI?

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record uptime: 1511d 20h 19m (ended due to the power brick giving-up)
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Message 1210781 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 23:48:01 UTC
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SHHH!! We're demanding refunds, just go along with it. ^^

I have another one trying to download now, I'll be interested to see the performance of the new application.
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Message 1210784 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 23:55:16 UTC - in response to Message 1210781.  

SHHH!! We're demanding refunds, just go along with it. ^^

I have another one trying to download now, I'll be interested to see the performance of the new application.

I think if you are issued a refund you forfeit ever being able to claim your free toaster.
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Message 1210859 - Posted: 28 Mar 2012, 4:06:20 UTC

This app works as I crunched 5 last night

ap_6.00_win_x86_SSE3_OpenCL_NV_r540.exe

AstroPulse_Kernels_r540.cl

The name of the application is v6 and call for 601 in the app_info.xml

1 hour 15 minutes approx / task

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?userid=8612202&offset=0&show_names=0&state=0&appid=12


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Message 1210936 - Posted: 28 Mar 2012, 8:19:44 UTC - in response to Message 1210859.  
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This app works as I crunched 5 last night

ap_6.00_win_x86_SSE3_OpenCL_NV_r540.exe

AstroPulse_Kernels_r540.cl

The name of the application is v6 and call for 601 in the app_info.xml

1 hour 15 minutes approx / task

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?userid=8612202&offset=0&show_names=0&state=0&appid=12


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Please don't use the NV r540 app, as it doesn't have the code included in the v6 6.01 apps, run the NV r555 app instead.

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