Lunatics Windows Installer v0.40 release notes

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Richard Haselgrove Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 7669 Credit: 40,260,949 RAC: 21,572	Message 1210658 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 11:59:43 UTC - in response to Message 1210655.
	If Richard can't write GTX6xx or nVIDIA Kepler or Kepler GPU - or what ever? Yes, mea culpa, I should have proofread more carefully. But in mitigation, I did post seven times in Kepler ... the good news ... - I think most people keeping up with all the recent developments will have made the connection. And as LadyL says, it was very much a last minute addition - you'll find that the version of the release notes packed inside the installer doesn't have that line, because the cards hadn't been released and weren't available for testing when the final release version of the installer was compiled for testing.
	ID: 1210658 ·

LadyL Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 14 Sep 11 Posts: 1679 Credit: 5,230,097 RAC: 1	Message 1210659 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 12:00:36 UTC - in response to Message 1210655.
	(...) It's also what happens if you jump to conclusions instead of reading properly. Sorry, Sutaru. (...) If Richard can't write GTX6xx or nVIDIA Kepler or Kepler GPU - or what ever? ..so that no confusion happens. Just my 0.02 €. You do know about the 1 hour editing limit on these boards, yes? The Lunatics version has been changed. The downloadable version has been changed. And I'm not about to recall and redo the installer over that. ____________ I'm not the Pope. I don't speak Ex Cathedra!
	ID: 1210659 ·

jason_gee Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 4188 Credit: 61,342,821 RAC: 33,746	Message 1210660 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 12:03:02 UTC - in response to Message 1210658.
	If Richard can't write GTX6xx or nVIDIA Kepler or Kepler GPU - or what ever? Yes, mea culpa, I should have proofread more carefully. But in mitigation, I did post seven times in Kepler ... the good news ... - I think most people keeping up with all the recent developments will have made the connection. And as LadyL says, it was very much a last minute addition - you'll find that the version of the release notes packed inside the installer doesn't have that line, because the cards hadn't been released and weren't available for testing when the final release version of the installer was compiled for testing. Yes Richard, you should work on your communication skills a bit more. ____________ "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change." Charles Darwin
	ID: 1210660 ·

LadyL Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 14 Sep 11 Posts: 1679 Credit: 5,230,097 RAC: 1	Message 1210661 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 12:03:46 UTC
	Not to mention that we refer to that 'Kepler data' as GBT data. That's not even MB7, that's barely in the planning stage. ____________ I'm not the Pope. I don't speak Ex Cathedra!
	ID: 1210661 ·

Richard Haselgrove Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 7669 Credit: 40,260,949 RAC: 21,572	Message 1210663 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 12:08:56 UTC - in response to Message 1210660. Last modified: 27 Mar 2012, 12:09:27 UTC
	If Richard can't write GTX6xx or nVIDIA Kepler or Kepler GPU - or what ever? Yes, mea culpa, I should have proofread more carefully. But in mitigation, I did post seven times in Kepler ... the good news ... - I think most people keeping up with all the recent developments will have made the connection. And as LadyL says, it was very much a last minute addition - you'll find that the version of the release notes packed inside the installer doesn't have that line, because the cards hadn't been released and weren't available for testing when the final release version of the installer was compiled for testing. Yes Richard, you should work on your communication skills a bit more. Hmmm. 'Communication', eh? Remind me what that means, please?
	ID: 1210663 ·

VBobier Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 41267 Credit: 32,365,218 RAC: 5,831	Message 1210665 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 12:10:15 UTC - in response to Message 1210600.
	The astropulse app is OpenCL and to be honest Nvidia is a little behind ATI with OpenCL. CUDA is NVidia's programming model, OpenCL is AMD/ATIs. Not surprisingly, NVidia spend most of their time developing their model. Not quite, AMD/ATI used CAL for a long time and it worked great on several projects. They are in the process of phasing it out though and will be going to OpenCL only with the next SDK. AVG doesn't like SDK, It went after a dll and the stock Seti app saying they were both infected, even when downloaded fresh. This was even after I made an exception attempt to try and head off that behavior... ____________ BSG Anthem My Facebook page
	ID: 1210665 ·

jason_gee Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 4188 Credit: 61,342,821 RAC: 33,746	Message 1210666 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 12:10:51 UTC - in response to Message 1210663.
	Hmmm. 'Communication', eh? Remind me what that means, please? That's when you do or say stuff, that gets misinterpreted & misunderstood, and comes back to slap you in the face. ____________ "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change." Charles Darwin
	ID: 1210666 ·

Richard Haselgrove Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 7669 Credit: 40,260,949 RAC: 21,572	Message 1210667 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 12:15:01 UTC - in response to Message 1210666.
	Hmmm. 'Communication', eh? Remind me what that means, please? That's when you do or say stuff, that gets misinterpreted & misunderstood, and comes back to slap you in the face. We'll have to use Max Clifford next time, then :P
	ID: 1210667 ·

jason_gee Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 4188 Credit: 61,342,821 RAC: 33,746	Message 1210668 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 12:16:54 UTC - in response to Message 1210667.
	Hmmm. 'Communication', eh? Remind me what that means, please? That's when you do or say stuff, that gets misinterpreted & misunderstood, and comes back to slap you in the face. We'll have to use Max Clifford next time, then :P That guy's awesome. You could learn something from that bloke. ____________ "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change." Charles Darwin
	ID: 1210668 ·

Richard Haselgrove Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 7669 Credit: 40,260,949 RAC: 21,572	Message 1210669 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 12:22:45 UTC - in response to Message 1210668.
	Hmmm. 'Communication', eh? Remind me what that means, please? That's when you do or say stuff, that gets misinterpreted & misunderstood, and comes back to slap you in the face. We'll have to use Max Clifford next time, then :P That guy's awesome. You could learn something from that bloke. I do my best to learn from anyone and anywhere - that's what being a messenger pigeon is all about.
	ID: 1210669 ·

jason_gee Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 4188 Credit: 61,342,821 RAC: 33,746	Message 1210670 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 12:28:47 UTC - in response to Message 1210669.
	Hmmm. 'Communication', eh? Remind me what that means, please? That's when you do or say stuff, that gets misinterpreted & misunderstood, and comes back to slap you in the face. We'll have to use Max Clifford next time, then :P That guy's awesome. You could learn something from that bloke. I do my best to learn from anyone and anywhere - that's what being a messenger pigeon is all about. Well we can only hope that all messenger pigeons aim to strike so high :D Back on topic, well done with a great release, and I hope that all should strive to go as smoothly. ____________ "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change." Charles Darwin
	ID: 1210670 ·

Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 23353 Credit: 4,628,947 RAC: 3,737	Message 1210710 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 14:33:10 UTC
	I do my best to learn from anyone and anywhere Yes you do.
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skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 8970 Credit: 37,780,364 RAC: 42,763	Message 1210716 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 14:47:08 UTC - in response to Message 1210710.
	Just wondering if there is an AVX MB app coming soon? ____________ Proud member of TSWB. End terrorism by building a school
	ID: 1210716 ·

Richard Haselgrove Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 7669 Credit: 40,260,949 RAC: 21,572	Message 1210719 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 14:54:00 UTC - in response to Message 1210716.
	Just wondering if there is an AVX MB app coming soon? That's one I'll have to pass back to the back rooms at Luna HQ. I'll let you know. Whatever happens, I suspect the answer will be "not until the release of SETI (multibeam) v7 at the Main project" - which we were half expecting last October, so your guess is as good as mine.
	ID: 1210719 ·

jason_gee Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 4188 Credit: 61,342,821 RAC: 33,746	Message 1210721 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 14:55:49 UTC - in response to Message 1210716.
	Just wondering if there is an AVX MB app coming soon? Stock beta 6.97/6.98 is already AVX enabled ;) (Yeah I know what you mean, just had to say it :D ) ____________ "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change." Charles Darwin
	ID: 1210721 ·

red-ray Send message Joined: 24 Jun 99 Posts: 308 Credit: 9,024,991 RAC: 0	Message 1210722 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 14:56:30 UTC - in response to Message 1210656.
	We still have some idiots running V12 on Fermi (um GTX 460+ ?) and that is over 2 years and 4 opt app generations old. I feel that CUDA apps should be checking the cards Compute Capability and if it's higher than the app has been tested on the app should refuse to run. Maybe there needs to be a way to force it to run, but the default should be to *Play Safe*. Never going to happen. I never heard of any programmer implementing suicide code except for malicious intent. The builds were designed to be forward & backward compatible, taking advantage of language & driver facilities to do so, and they are. It's a releif that it's proven to work, but deliberately breaking stuff is an approach that has been considered and rejected. No. I am not suggesting things that used to work should stop, rather that the code should not run on new hardware until it has been validated. Given nVidia drivers are not forwards compliable to me it seems a sensible precaution. As it turned out with Kepler there was not an issue, but Maxwell may be a different story!
	ID: 1210722 ·

jason_gee Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 4188 Credit: 61,342,821 RAC: 33,746	Message 1210726 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 15:02:22 UTC - in response to Message 1210722.
	We still have some idiots running V12 on Fermi (um GTX 460+ ?) and that is over 2 years and 4 opt app generations old. I feel that CUDA apps should be checking the cards Compute Capability and if it's higher than the app has been tested on the app should refuse to run. Maybe there needs to be a way to force it to run, but the default should be to *Play Safe*. Never going to happen. I never heard of any programmer implementing suicide code except for malicious intent. The builds were designed to be forward & backward compatible, taking advantage of language & driver facilities to do so, and they are. It's a releif that it's proven to work, but deliberately breaking stuff is an approach that has been considered and rejected. No. I am not suggesting things that used to work should stop, rather that the code should not run on new hardware until it has been validated. Given nVidia drivers are not forwards compliable to me it seems a sensible precaution. As it turned out with Kepler there was not an issue, but Maxwell may be a different story! Ray. I'm not going to intentionally program a non-functional codepath based on detected device characteristics into any of my builds ever. Intel did that, it cost them billions. ____________ "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change." Charles Darwin
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skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 8970 Credit: 37,780,364 RAC: 42,763	Message 1210733 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 15:15:10 UTC - in response to Message 1210721. Last modified: 27 Mar 2012, 15:16:03 UTC
	Just wondering if there is an AVX MB app coming soon? Stock beta 6.97/6.98 is already AVX enabled ;) (Yeah I know what you mean, just had to say it :D ) Yep meant the Opt app. And I agree that waiting for the v7 is probably a better use of your time. ____________ Proud member of TSWB. End terrorism by building a school
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perryjay Send message Joined: 20 Aug 02 Posts: 3359 Credit: 9,963,326 RAC: 12,816	Message 1210746 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 15:51:30 UTC - in response to Message 1210726.
	Ray. I'm not going to intentionally program a non-functional codepath based on detected device characteristics into any of my builds ever. Intel did that, it cost them billions. Yeah, just think how much it would cost Lunatics if we got mad at them and demanded our money back!! How much did that new installer cost again?? ____________ PROUD MEMBER OF Team Starfire World BOINC
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JLConawayII Send message Joined: 2 Apr 02 Posts: 183 Credit: 2,681,249 RAC: 3,183	Message 1210755 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 22:28:55 UTC
	It's broken. My first Astropulse 6 completed after 20 seconds. I want a refund. >:o( ____________
	ID: 1210755 ·

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