Lunatics Windows Installer v0.40 release notes

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zoom314 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 44552 Credit: 35,419,219 RAC: 9,166	Message 1210576 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 3:11:26 UTC Last modified: 27 Mar 2012, 3:13:19 UTC
	Well I installed 40 and then reinstalled My old customized app info file(for a 64bit app and only for a 64bit app) as the app I am using didn't have a name change, but 40 seems to agree with the 590, Thanks. ____________
	ID: 1210576 ·

Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 5566 Credit: 51,371,366 RAC: 40,987	Message 1210599 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 5:53:18 UTC - in response to Message 1210446.
	The astropulse app is OpenCL and to be honest Nvidia is a little behind ATI with OpenCL. CUDA is NVidia's programming model, OpenCL is AMD/ATIs. Not surprisingly, NVidia spend most of their time developing their model. ____________ Grant Darwin NT.
	ID: 1210599 ·

arkayn Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 14 May 99 Posts: 3544 Credit: 46,167,912 RAC: 30,697	Message 1210600 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 5:56:02 UTC - in response to Message 1210599.
	The astropulse app is OpenCL and to be honest Nvidia is a little behind ATI with OpenCL. CUDA is NVidia's programming model, OpenCL is AMD/ATIs. Not surprisingly, NVidia spend most of their time developing their model. Not quite, AMD/ATI used CAL for a long time and it worked great on several projects. They are in the process of phasing it out though and will be going to OpenCL only with the next SDK. ____________
	ID: 1210600 ·

Wembley Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 16 Sep 09 Posts: 415 Credit: 888,257 RAC: 0	Message 1210604 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 6:19:46 UTC - in response to Message 1210599.
	The astropulse app is OpenCL and to be honest Nvidia is a little behind ATI with OpenCL. CUDA is NVidia's programming model, OpenCL is AMD/ATIs. Not surprisingly, NVidia spend most of their time developing their model. OpenCL is a creation of Khronos Group which was put together by a bunch of companies, including both ATI and nVidia, and many others. http://www.khronos.org/about/ ____________ Donate with your searches and online buys: http://www.goodsearch.com/toolbar/university-of-california-setihome
	ID: 1210604 ·

msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 37315 Credit: 499,527,234 RAC: 511,949	Message 1210606 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 6:43:53 UTC - in response to Message 1210412.
	I'd like to propose a vote of thanks to Richard Hasselgrove, LadyL and others who have worked so damn hard, and under a lot of pressure, to get this latest installer out. See my post in Gripes and Kudos.....made before I read this thread tonight. ____________ ****************** Crunching Seti, loving all of God's kitties. I have met a few friends in my life. Most were cats.
	ID: 1210606 ·

Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 5566 Credit: 51,371,366 RAC: 40,987	Message 1210620 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 8:00:50 UTC - in response to Message 1210604. Last modified: 27 Mar 2012, 8:01:08 UTC
	The astropulse app is OpenCL and to be honest Nvidia is a little behind ATI with OpenCL. CUDA is NVidia's programming model, OpenCL is AMD/ATIs. Not surprisingly, NVidia spend most of their time developing their model. OpenCL is a creation of Khronos Group which was put together by a bunch of companies, including both ATI and nVidia, and many others. http://www.khronos.org/about/ Yep, but the fact is NVidia are pushing CUDA- it's their programming model. And AMD are pushing OpenGL. So each develops for their model. ____________ Grant Darwin NT.
	ID: 1210620 ·

Claggy Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 3963 Credit: 31,861,940 RAC: 11,034	Message 1210623 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 8:14:15 UTC - in response to Message 1210620.
	The astropulse app is OpenCL and to be honest Nvidia is a little behind ATI with OpenCL. CUDA is NVidia's programming model, OpenCL is AMD/ATIs. Not surprisingly, NVidia spend most of their time developing their model. OpenCL is a creation of Khronos Group which was put together by a bunch of companies, including both ATI and nVidia, and many others. http://www.khronos.org/about/ Yep, but the fact is NVidia are pushing CUDA- it's their programming model. And AMD are pushing OpenGL. So each develops for their model. OpenGL is a creation of Silicon Graphics Inc, and is a cross platform api for writing applications that produce 2D & 3D Graphics, just like OpenCL it is used by many different vendors, Intel, Nvidia, AMD etc Claggy
	ID: 1210623 ·

Ageless Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 12128 Credit: 2,519,827 RAC: 270	Message 1210625 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 8:21:56 UTC - in response to Message 1210620.
	ATI had a lot of research done through Close to Metal, before they went to Brook+ (CAL) and eventually on to OpenCL. Their drivers are more mature when it comes to OpenCL support, than Nvidia's, as Nvidia has been focusing mostly on CUDA for a good 4 years now. ____________ Jord Loving awareness is free.
	ID: 1210625 ·

LadyL Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 14 Sep 11 Posts: 1679 Credit: 5,230,097 RAC: 0	Message 1210626 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 8:25:06 UTC
	Can you all please stay on topic? Discussion about NVidia, ATI and OpenCL doesn't belong here. Thanks all, but as Richard said, we just wrap it all nicely and put it on the van. It's a symbiosis - no installer without apps and the apps would not get as widely distributed without the installer. As has been pointed out several times, the AP OpenCL NVidia app is not ready for installer inclusion, since it uses a whole CPU core under CUDA 4.x (270.x+)drivers. It will be made available as a beta app [including appropriate app_info] when I have a chance to get round to it. ____________ I'm not the Pope. I don't speak Ex Cathedra!
	ID: 1210626 ·

[seti.international] Dirk Sadowski Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 6 Apr 07 Posts: 6970 Credit: 57,099,571 RAC: 22,594	Message 1210644 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 11:18:28 UTC - in response to Message 1210310.
	(...) x41g_cuda32 has been tested with and is safe to use on Kepler. (...) Does this mean that x38g_cuda32 app can't run Kepler WUs? BTW, this new kind of WUs are specially marked? *- Best regards!* -** Sutaru Tsureku, team seti.international founder. - Optimize your PC for higher RAC. - SETI@home needs your help. - ____________ BR >Das Deutsche Cafe. The German Cafe.<
	ID: 1210644 ·

LadyL Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 14 Sep 11 Posts: 1679 Credit: 5,230,097 RAC: 0	Message 1210645 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 11:26:30 UTC - in response to Message 1210644.
	(...) x41g_cuda32 has been tested with and is safe to use on Kepler. (...) Does this mean that x38g_cuda32 app can't run Kepler WUs? BTW, this new kind of WUs are specially marked? No, it means we haven't tested. The AP 6 WU are marked as AP 6 as opposed to AP 5.05, yes. Different application, different checkbox in the preferences, differen sublink in the tasklist. If you want to run the new AP 6 work (AP 505 is resends only) you need the new app. And the checkbox ticked. ____________ I'm not the Pope. I don't speak Ex Cathedra!
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Claggy Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 3963 Credit: 31,861,940 RAC: 11,034	Message 1210646 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 11:26:35 UTC - in response to Message 1210644. Last modified: 27 Mar 2012, 11:27:42 UTC
	(...) x41g_cuda32 has been tested with and is safe to use on Kepler. (...) Does this mean that x38g_cuda32 app can't run Kepler WUs? BTW, this new kind of WUs are specially marked? There is no new type of Wu called Kepler, Kepler is Nvidia's lastest GPU. Claggy
	ID: 1210646 ·

jason_gee Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 4812 Credit: 71,598,450 RAC: 9,007	Message 1210647 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 11:27:45 UTC - in response to Message 1210646.
	(...) x41g_cuda32 has been tested with and is safe to use on Kepler. (...) Does this mean that x38g_cuda32 app can't run Kepler WUs? BTW, this new kind of WUs are specially marked? There is no new type of Wu, Kepler is Nvidia's lastest GPU. Claggy ROFL, gotta love the convergence of naming. Good stuff. ____________ "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change." Charles Darwin
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red-ray Send message Joined: 24 Jun 99 Posts: 308 Credit: 9,024,991 RAC: 0	Message 1210648 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 11:28:05 UTC - in response to Message 1210644. Last modified: 27 Mar 2012, 11:29:12 UTC
	x41g_cuda32 has been tested with and is safe to use on Kepler. Does this mean that x38g_cuda32 app can't run Kepler WUs? BTW, this new kind of WUs are specially marked? x41g_cuda32 has been tested on and runs OK on the nVidia GTX 680 (code name Kepler).
	ID: 1210648 ·

LadyL Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 14 Sep 11 Posts: 1679 Credit: 5,230,097 RAC: 0	Message 1210651 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 11:34:11 UTC - in response to Message 1210648. Last modified: 27 Mar 2012, 11:40:27 UTC
	x41g_cuda32 has been tested on and runs OK on the nVidia GTX 680 (code name Kepler). That's what happens if you chuck in a line at the last moment - and I mean the last moment! It's also what happens if you jump to conclusions instead of reading properly. Sorry, Sutaru. And it hasn't been tested if x38g runs on GTX 680, but anyone putting a new generation of card in and NOT grabbing the latest installer (or at least reading the boards to make sure the old apps are safe to go) ought to be [censored]. We still have some idiots running V12 on Fermi (um GTX 460+ ?) and that is over 2 years and 4 opt app generations old. ____________ I'm not the Pope. I don't speak Ex Cathedra!
	ID: 1210651 ·

[seti.international] Dirk Sadowski Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 6 Apr 07 Posts: 6970 Credit: 57,099,571 RAC: 22,594	Message 1210652 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 11:38:16 UTC Last modified: 27 Mar 2012, 11:40:36 UTC
	For to show that I'm not totally stupid.. LOL News : 'First Look at Kepler SETI Candidate Signals' *- Best regards!* -** Sutaru Tsureku, team seti.international founder. - Optimize your PC for higher RAC. - SETI@home needs your help. - ____________ BR >Das Deutsche Cafe. The German Cafe.<
	ID: 1210652 ·

red-ray Send message Joined: 24 Jun 99 Posts: 308 Credit: 9,024,991 RAC: 0	Message 1210654 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 11:49:22 UTC - in response to Message 1210651.
	We still have some idiots running V12 on Fermi (um GTX 460+ ?) and that is over 2 years and 4 opt app generations old. I feel that CUDA apps should be checking the cards Compute Capability and if it's higher than the app has been tested on the app should refuse to run. Maybe there needs to be a way to force it to run, but the default should be to *Play Safe*.
	ID: 1210654 ·

[seti.international] Dirk Sadowski Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 6 Apr 07 Posts: 6970 Credit: 57,099,571 RAC: 22,594	Message 1210655 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 11:49:54 UTC - in response to Message 1210651.
	(...) It's also what happens if you jump to conclusions instead of reading properly. Sorry, Sutaru. (...) If Richard can't write GTX6xx or nVIDIA Kepler or Kepler GPU - or what ever? ..so that no confusion happens. Just my 0.02 €. *- Best regards!* -** Sutaru Tsureku, team seti.international founder. - Optimize your PC for higher RAC. - SETI@home needs your help. - ____________ BR >Das Deutsche Cafe. The German Cafe.<
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jason_gee Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 4812 Credit: 71,598,450 RAC: 9,007	Message 1210656 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 11:56:46 UTC - in response to Message 1210654. Last modified: 27 Mar 2012, 11:57:02 UTC
	We still have some idiots running V12 on Fermi (um GTX 460+ ?) and that is over 2 years and 4 opt app generations old. I feel that CUDA apps should be checking the cards Compute Capability and if it's higher than the app has been tested on the app should refuse to run. Maybe there needs to be a way to force it to run, but the default should be to *Play Safe*. Hi Ray, Never going to happen. I never heard of any programmer implementing suicide code except for malicious intent. The builds were designed to be forward & backward compatible, taking advantage of language & driver facilities to do so, and they are. It's a releif that it's proven to work, but deliberately breaking stuff is an approach that has been considered and rejected, Jason ____________ "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change." Charles Darwin
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Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 5190 Credit: 83,042,498 RAC: 71,606	Message 1210657 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 11:59:13 UTC - in response to Message 1210655.
	Well I suppose you can always count on someone to come along and confuse things that shouldn't be confused with the right understanding. :D Cheers. ____________
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