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Message 1210606 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 6:43:53 UTC - in response to Message 1210412.  

I'd like to propose a vote of thanks to Richard Hasselgrove, LadyL and others who have worked so damn hard, and under a lot of pressure, to get this latest installer out.

See my post in Gripes and Kudos.....made before I read this thread tonight.
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Message 1210620 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 8:00:50 UTC - in response to Message 1210604.  
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The astropulse app is OpenCL and to be honest Nvidia is a little behind ATI with OpenCL.

CUDA is NVidia's programming model, OpenCL is AMD/ATIs.
Not surprisingly, NVidia spend most of their time developing their model.


OpenCL is a creation of Khronos Group which was put together by a bunch of companies, including both ATI and nVidia, and many others.
http://www.khronos.org/about/

Yep, but the fact is NVidia are pushing CUDA- it's their programming model. And AMD are pushing OpenGL.
So each develops for their model.
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Message 1210623 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 8:14:15 UTC - in response to Message 1210620.  

The astropulse app is OpenCL and to be honest Nvidia is a little behind ATI with OpenCL.

CUDA is NVidia's programming model, OpenCL is AMD/ATIs.
Not surprisingly, NVidia spend most of their time developing their model.


OpenCL is a creation of Khronos Group which was put together by a bunch of companies, including both ATI and nVidia, and many others.
http://www.khronos.org/about/

Yep, but the fact is NVidia are pushing CUDA- it's their programming model. And AMD are pushing OpenGL.
So each develops for their model.

OpenGL is a creation of Silicon Graphics Inc, and is a cross platform api for writing applications that produce 2D & 3D Graphics, just like OpenCL it is used by many different vendors, Intel, Nvidia, AMD etc

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Message 1210625 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 8:21:56 UTC - in response to Message 1210620.  

ATI had a lot of research done through Close to Metal, before they went to Brook+ (CAL) and eventually on to OpenCL. Their drivers are more mature when it comes to OpenCL support, than Nvidia's, as Nvidia has been focusing mostly on CUDA for a good 4 years now.
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Message 1210626 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 8:25:06 UTC

Can you all please stay on topic?
Discussion about NVidia, ATI and OpenCL doesn't belong here.

Thanks all, but as Richard said, we just wrap it all nicely and put it on the van. It's a symbiosis - no installer without apps and the apps would not get as widely distributed without the installer.

As has been pointed out several times, the AP OpenCL NVidia app is not ready for installer inclusion, since it uses a whole CPU core under CUDA 4.x (270.x+)drivers. It will be made available as a beta app [including appropriate app_info] when I have a chance to get round to it.
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Message 1210644 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 11:18:28 UTC - in response to Message 1210310.  

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x41g_cuda32 has been tested with and is safe to use on Kepler.
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Does this mean that x38g_cuda32 app can't run Kepler WUs?

BTW, this new kind of WUs are specially marked?


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Message 1210645 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 11:26:30 UTC - in response to Message 1210644.  

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x41g_cuda32 has been tested with and is safe to use on Kepler.
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Does this mean that x38g_cuda32 app can't run Kepler WUs?

BTW, this new kind of WUs are specially marked?


No, it means we haven't tested.

The AP 6 WU are marked as AP 6 as opposed to AP 5.05, yes.
Different application, different checkbox in the preferences, differen sublink in the tasklist.

If you want to run the new AP 6 work (AP 505 is resends only) you need the new app. And the checkbox ticked.
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Message 1210646 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 11:26:35 UTC - in response to Message 1210644.  
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x41g_cuda32 has been tested with and is safe to use on Kepler.
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Does this mean that x38g_cuda32 app can't run Kepler WUs?

BTW, this new kind of WUs are specially marked?

There is no new type of Wu called Kepler, Kepler is Nvidia's lastest GPU.

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Message 1210647 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 11:27:45 UTC - in response to Message 1210646.  

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x41g_cuda32 has been tested with and is safe to use on Kepler.
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Does this mean that x38g_cuda32 app can't run Kepler WUs?

BTW, this new kind of WUs are specially marked?

There is no new type of Wu, Kepler is Nvidia's lastest GPU.

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ROFL, gotta love the convergence of naming. Good stuff.
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Message 1210648 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 11:28:05 UTC - in response to Message 1210644.  
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x41g_cuda32 has been tested with and is safe to use on Kepler.

Does this mean that x38g_cuda32 app can't run Kepler WUs?

BTW, this new kind of WUs are specially marked?

x41g_cuda32 has been tested on and runs OK on the nVidia GTX 680 (code name Kepler).
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Message 1210651 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 11:34:11 UTC - in response to Message 1210648.  
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x41g_cuda32 has been tested on and runs OK on the nVidia GTX 680 (code name Kepler).


That's what happens if you chuck in a line at the last moment - and I mean the last moment!

It's also what happens if you jump to conclusions instead of reading properly. Sorry, Sutaru.

And it hasn't been tested if x38g runs on GTX 680, but anyone putting a new generation of card in and NOT grabbing the latest installer (or at least reading the boards to make sure the old apps are safe to go) ought to be [censored]. We still have some idiots running V12 on Fermi (um GTX 460+ ?) and that is over 2 years and 4 opt app generations old.
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Message 1210652 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 11:38:16 UTC
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For to show that I'm not totally stupid.. LOL

News : 'First Look at Kepler SETI Candidate Signals'


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Message 1210654 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 11:49:22 UTC - in response to Message 1210651.  

We still have some idiots running V12 on Fermi (um GTX 460+ ?) and that is over 2 years and 4 opt app generations old.

I feel that CUDA apps should be checking the cards Compute Capability and if it's higher than the app has been tested on the app should refuse to run. Maybe there needs to be a way to force it to run, but the default should be to Play Safe.
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Message 1210655 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 11:49:54 UTC - in response to Message 1210651.  

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It's also what happens if you jump to conclusions instead of reading properly. Sorry, Sutaru.
(...)


If Richard can't write GTX6xx or nVIDIA Kepler or Kepler GPU - or what ever?

..so that no confusion happens.

Just my 0.02 €.


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Message 1210656 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 11:56:46 UTC - in response to Message 1210654.  
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We still have some idiots running V12 on Fermi (um GTX 460+ ?) and that is over 2 years and 4 opt app generations old.

I feel that CUDA apps should be checking the cards Compute Capability and if it's higher than the app has been tested on the app should refuse to run. Maybe there needs to be a way to force it to run, but the default should be to Play Safe.


Hi Ray,
Never going to happen. I never heard of any programmer implementing suicide code except for malicious intent. The builds were designed to be forward & backward compatible, taking advantage of language & driver facilities to do so, and they are. It's a releif that it's proven to work, but deliberately breaking stuff is an approach that has been considered and rejected,

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Message 1210657 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 11:59:13 UTC - in response to Message 1210655.  

Well I suppose you can always count on someone to come along and confuse things that shouldn't be confused with the right understanding. :D

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Message 1210658 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 11:59:43 UTC - in response to Message 1210655.  

If Richard can't write GTX6xx or nVIDIA Kepler or Kepler GPU - or what ever?

Yes, mea culpa, I should have proofread more carefully.

But in mitigation, I did post seven times in Kepler ... the good news ... - I think most people keeping up with all the recent developments will have made the connection.

And as LadyL says, it was very much a last minute addition - you'll find that the version of the release notes packed inside the installer doesn't have that line, because the cards hadn't been released and weren't available for testing when the final release version of the installer was compiled for testing.
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Message 1210659 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 12:00:36 UTC - in response to Message 1210655.  

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It's also what happens if you jump to conclusions instead of reading properly. Sorry, Sutaru.
(...)


If Richard can't write GTX6xx or nVIDIA Kepler or Kepler GPU - or what ever?

..so that no confusion happens.

Just my 0.02 €.



You do know about the 1 hour editing limit on these boards, yes?

The Lunatics version has been changed. The downloadable version has been changed. And I'm not about to recall and redo the installer over that.
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Message 1210660 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 12:03:02 UTC - in response to Message 1210658.  

If Richard can't write GTX6xx or nVIDIA Kepler or Kepler GPU - or what ever?

Yes, mea culpa, I should have proofread more carefully.

But in mitigation, I did post seven times in Kepler ... the good news ... - I think most people keeping up with all the recent developments will have made the connection.

And as LadyL says, it was very much a last minute addition - you'll find that the version of the release notes packed inside the installer doesn't have that line, because the cards hadn't been released and weren't available for testing when the final release version of the installer was compiled for testing.


Yes Richard, you should work on your communication skills a bit more.
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Message 1210661 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 12:03:46 UTC

Not to mention that we refer to that 'Kepler data' as GBT data. That's not even MB7, that's barely in the planning stage.
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