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Message 1248101 - Posted: 18 Jun 2012, 21:30:19 UTC - in response to Message 1247612.

Gundolf, did as you suggested, still not getting the work units. All the settings are the same on all my computers. Still try trying to get it to work. I have checked that the "PNG" files are there and that they open.

Some ISPs recompress JPG and PNG files in order to save bandwidth. Yes, they will open, but they do not hash to the same value as the original.
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Message 1248360 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 14:27:51 UTC - in response to Message 1247612.
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If you can - generate MD5 checksums and compare with these:

f9b65230a594098d183d2266511bc648 *arecibo_181.png 5791ba1be2d33eaa5f90ecf5de89a53d *sah_40.png 39839286db7f580bef5377322d15ed35 *sah_banner_290.png caf95504208aedd6ac6d82201e2fd8b1 *sah_ss_290.png

The size in bytes is this:
arecibo_181.png 52 779 sah_40.png 2 536 sah_banner_290.png 25 488 sah_ss_290.png 35 399


The errors show that seti_603.jpg is the "problem file":
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=6700675&offset=0&show_names=0&state=5&appid=
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2489102376

You can get seti_603.jpg (in .rar) manually from here:
http://www.datafilehost.com/download-46d79d7a.html


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Message 1249910 - Posted: 22 Jun 2012, 11:42:39 UTC

I've been doing S@H for a while and a couple of days ago the office gave me a new Core i7 laptop. I got everything set up on it correctly (at least I think), including downloading the latest optimized app from Lunatics. I have 500+ WUs in the cache, 100+ have been turned in.

I'm in the situation where I can see and work with BOINC Manager under an admin account but not my user account. Note: the Admin account does not have rights to do everything on this laptop, but it is enough to get most common admin tasks done. In the user account, I see warning messages that BOINC Manager is already running under another account or I need to add the user to the boinc_users group (don't know how to do that). During installation I do not believe that I selected to install it as a service or as a protected app. The only choice I made was for no screensaver.

How do I work with BOINC under the user account? If I need to add the user account to a group, how do I do that?

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Message 1249914 - Posted: 22 Jun 2012, 12:13:40 UTC - in response to Message 1249910.

First and foremost, make sure you have permission to run BOINC on your work laptop. They gave it to you for work purposes, not personal use. There have been cases where companies have sued former employees for stealing company resources (CPU time).


Assuming you have permission to run BOINC on the laptop, you should have selected "Allow all users to control BOINC" on that same page where it was selected for Protected Execution and set the BOINC screen saver.

Otherwise, you go into Computer Management and find the BOINC_Admins group and add your user account to that.

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Message 1251278 - Posted: 25 Jun 2012, 11:47:51 UTC - in response to Message 1249914.

Assuming you have permission to run BOINC on the laptop, you should have selected "Allow all users to control BOINC" on that same page where it was selected for Protected Execution and set the BOINC screen saver.


Did that.

Otherwise, you go into Computer Management and find the BOINC_Admins group and add your user account to that.


Tried to do this, but the odd thing was that my username was not one of the various items on the list that could be selected. Instead, I added 'everyone'. That didn't help because, under the user account, I still can't connect to localhost or see any activity.
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Message 1251282 - Posted: 25 Jun 2012, 12:01:10 UTC - in response to Message 1251278.

Otherwise, you go into Computer Management and find the BOINC_Admins group and add your user account to that.


Tried to do this, but the odd thing was that my username was not one of the various items on the list that could be selected. Instead, I added 'everyone'. That didn't help because, under the user account, I still can't connect to localhost or see any activity.


Likely your user account is a domain account, so when you add your user account, it needs to be in the form of domain\user.

Unfortunately, what you seem to be describing is a different problem altogether. If you cannot connect to localhost (which is BOINC Manager connecting to the BOINC daemon over local TCP/IP port 31416), then you seem to have a firewall issue. If your firewall is managed by your corporate security department through group policy, you'll need to ask them to allow local port 31416. You may or may not be able to change this setting even if you have Administrative privileges.

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Message 1254581 - Posted: 2 Jul 2012, 17:06:12 UTC

I signed up for seti@home about a year ago. It ran great for a while. We had a lightning strike and I lost my connection. When the computer was fixed, I downloaded the latest version of the software. I cannot get it to run. The status page tells me that the program was stopped by me. Did not do that. Any suggestion that I can have to get it going. By the way, I am very new to this.
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Message 1254595 - Posted: 2 Jul 2012, 17:40:18 UTC - in response to Message 1254581.

The status page tells me that the program was stopped by me. Did not do that.

Where is this "status page" you are talking about? (if you can - post screenshot)
What does it say exactly?

You have to have 1 task to work on:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=6189279


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Message 1255052 - Posted: 3 Jul 2012, 14:05:38 UTC - in response to Message 1251282.

Otherwise, you go into Computer Management and find the BOINC_Admins group and add your user account to that.


Tried to do this, but the odd thing was that my username was not one of the various items on the list that could be selected. Instead, I added 'everyone'. That didn't help because, under the user account, I still can't connect to localhost or see any activity.


Likely your user account is a domain account, so when you add your user account, it needs to be in the form of domain\user.

Unfortunately, what you seem to be describing is a different problem altogether. If you cannot connect to localhost (which is BOINC Manager connecting to the BOINC daemon over local TCP/IP port 31416), then you seem to have a firewall issue. If your firewall is managed by your corporate security department through group policy, you'll need to ask them to allow local port 31416. You may or may not be able to change this setting even if you have Administrative privileges.



Sorry for the late reply.

This issue seems to have resolved itself. Some time after adding 'everyone' (and probably a few logouts/logins), I am now able to connect to localhost and see all activity in BOINC manager from the user account.

Thanks to all.
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Message 1261070 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 10:43:22 UTC

I've been a member of S@H since the end of May, using a Pentium IV machine with XP Pro, functioning as well as computers will. I've had a semi-retired Pentium II machine available for sometime, and decided to make use of this for Seti as well.

I therefore upgraded W95 to W98 so available BOINC software could be used, and added the machine to my home network. Using BOINC version 6.6.38 as recommended by the BOINC site. As luck would have it, as soon as I joined S&H I was given an AstroPulse v6 job. Est. time to completion was about 1980 hours! After an elapsed time of over 17 hours it has completed all of 0.38% of the job and says 2018 hours and 3 minutes remaining. Job is due back 8/08, so doesn't appear it will be possible to make that deadline, as don't have ~300 days available to complete this job.

1. Am I using the correct BOINC client for W98? It has 256 MB of RAM + virtual memory usage. When I first started up BOINC, the log in red suggested I use the latest version of BOINC, which I doubt would work at all with this hardware/software combo. I had Windows 2K on it previously, and it never completed any jobs, they were just pulled back due to errors. That's why I was hoping 98 would work.
2. Is there any way to block AstroPulse jobs for the P-II while allowing my P- IV machine to receive them. Appears in preferences that whatever's marked applies to all computers in use in the project.
3. Is there any way to speed this process up? I'm sure it could manage the Seti programs much more efficently. I did use this machine with Seti back in 2000 (believe it or not) using W95 when the client basically was a screensaver.

Hopefully I will be able to use this machine alone with my P-IV to help in the Seti efforts. Thanks in advance.
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Message 1261084 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 11:34:57 UTC - in response to Message 1261070.

I've been a member of S@H since the end of May, using a Pentium IV machine with XP Pro, functioning as well as computers will. I've had a semi-retired Pentium II machine available for sometime, and decided to make use of this for Seti as well.

I therefore upgraded W95 to W98 so available BOINC software could be used, and added the machine to my home network. Using BOINC version 6.6.38 as recommended by the BOINC site. As luck would have it, as soon as I joined S&H I was given an AstroPulse v6 job. Est. time to completion was about 1980 hours! After an elapsed time of over 17 hours it has completed all of 0.38% of the job and says 2018 hours and 3 minutes remaining. Job is due back 8/08, so doesn't appear it will be possible to make that deadline, as don't have ~300 days available to complete this job.

1. Am I using the correct BOINC client for W98? It has 256 MB of RAM + virtual memory usage. When I first started up BOINC, the log in red suggested I use the latest version of BOINC, which I doubt would work at all with this hardware/software combo. I had Windows 2K on it previously, and it never completed any jobs, they were just pulled back due to errors. That's why I was hoping 98 would work.
2. Is there any way to block AstroPulse jobs for the P-II while allowing my P- IV machine to receive them. Appears in preferences that whatever's marked applies to all computers in use in the project.
3. Is there any way to speed this process up? I'm sure it could manage the Seti programs much more efficently. I did use this machine with Seti back in 2000 (believe it or not) using W95 when the client basically was a screensaver.

Hopefully I will be able to use this machine alone with my P-IV to help in the Seti efforts. Thanks in advance.

You do realize that W98 is 14 years old now?

You can have different settings for different venues. Home, Work, and School. Even though it may seem silly if they are right next to each other, assign the two to different venues and set the settings differntly.
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Message 1261114 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 13:45:27 UTC - in response to Message 1261070.

As luck would have it, as soon as I joined S&H I was given an AstroPulse v6 job. Est. time to completion was about 1980 hours! After an elapsed time of over 17 hours it has completed all of 0.38% of the job and says 2018 hours and 3 minutes remaining. Job is due back 8/08, so doesn't appear it will be possible to make that deadline, as don't have ~300 days available to complete this job.


I would suggest that the estimate is far off being that this is a newly added machine. Estimates tend to level off the more the machine is running.

1. Am I using the correct BOINC client for W98? It has 256 MB of RAM + virtual memory usage. When I first started up BOINC, the log in red suggested I use the latest version of BOINC, which I doubt would work at all with this hardware/software combo. I had Windows 2K on it previously, and it never completed any jobs, they were just pulled back due to errors. That's why I was hoping 98 would work.


The message isn't intelligent enough to know that you're using the latest supported version of BOINC for your OS; it simply lets you know that a newer version is available. It can be safely ignored.

I would also question why Windows 2000 would give errors. The OS shouldn't make a difference, and Windows 2000 has been used by many SETI@Home users in the past (and some still currently). I don't think the errors were caused by the OS, so going back to Windows 98 won't have necessarily solved the problem (though if there was some software issues, it could have solved that by proxy).

2. Is there any way to block AstroPulse jobs for the P-II while allowing my P- IV machine to receive them. Appears in preferences that whatever's marked applies to all computers in use in the project.


John gave you the best answer here. Create a different preference venue and put the Windows 98 machine in that preference venue. Then change the preferences for that venue to not accept AstroPulse.

3. Is there any way to speed this process up? I'm sure it could manage the Seti programs much more efficently. I did use this machine with Seti back in 2000 (believe it or not) using W95 when the client basically was a screensaver.


Not really. Obviously the only thing that can speed up the hardware is a faster CPU. As far as the software is concerned, a Pentium II only supports Intel MMX extensions and the stock SETI@Home software is already highly optimized for MMX/SSE instruction sets.

Now if you have a powerful enough power supply you could try adding in a PCI based nVidia CUDA card.

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Message 1261120 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 13:57:30 UTC - in response to Message 1261070.
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1. Am I using the correct BOINC client for W98?

Yes. Though even if you could upgrade, it wouldn't matter that much as the hardware is just too old to do much good about an Astropulse.

2. Is there any way to block AstroPulse jobs for the P-II while allowing my P- IV machine to receive them.

When you go to the project preferences, you can state which venue you want to use. Let's keep the P4 on the normal default venue, and just add a home/school or work venue. In it change the work you want to receive to Seti Enhanced only (uncheck all other options). Next save changes with the button at the bottom of the page.

Now go back to your account, click on View computers on this account, click on Details for the PII, scroll all the way down and change Location to whatever you set the venue to (home, school, work).

Next open BOINC Manager on the PII, Advanced view->Projects tab->Select Seti->Click Update. This will get the new venue for this computer in, plus the order to only ask for Seti Enhanced work.

3. Is there any way to speed this process up?

Well, there are the 3rd party Lunatics applications, but these speed up things for computers using SSE (for Astropulse), and SSE3 (for Astropulse and Multibeam Seti Enhanced) and above only. None of these are available to your PII, as far as I know. Only IA-32 and MMX. No optimizations for those (any longer?) in the Lunatics installer.
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Message 1262391 - Posted: 20 Jul 2012, 4:04:15 UTC

Thank you all so much for the suggestions. My W98 system is working much smoother now, once I set up a separate profile and started working on a Seti enhanced job. Slow (to be expected), but significantly smoother.

Would adding more RAM benefit the Seti number crunching? I think I have one empty RAM slot left. Thank you all again!

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Message 1262557 - Posted: 20 Jul 2012, 15:18:31 UTC - in response to Message 1262391.

Since SETI@Home's science apps use very little RAM, adding more than they require will not help crunching performance.

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Message 1262592 - Posted: 20 Jul 2012, 16:19:18 UTC

your windows 98 only has 256mb of ram. Since you are unlikely to be running any modern apps I'd have to agree. you have sufficient RAM onboard
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Message 1269913 - Posted: 10 Aug 2012, 8:42:49 UTC - in response to Message 1208475.

I'm having a little configuring my BOINC Wizard Manager to run my Seti@home screen saver as well as a few other projects in which my Internet Explorer from MICROSOFT just doesn't want to communicate with my server let alone find a server using the 1-800-857-3121 number because of my URL etc.,?

What to I have to do to configure and get started with my projects ?

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Message 1269925 - Posted: 10 Aug 2012, 10:19:24 UTC - in response to Message 1269913.


?? As I can't make any sense from this post - did you try to ask yourself?:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_user.php?userid=9262315


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Message 1269967 - Posted: 10 Aug 2012, 13:21:28 UTC - in response to Message 1269913.
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I'm having a little configuring my BOINC Wizard Manager to run my Seti@home screen saver as well as a few other projects in which my Internet Explorer from MICROSOFT just doesn't want to communicate with my server let alone find a server using the 1-800-857-3121 number because of my URL etc.,?

What to I have to do to configure and get started with my projects ?


1. BOINC communicates directly with a project's server. It doesn't use any browser, be it Internet Explorer, Firefox, Chrome, Opera, or Safari.

2. Internet Explorer doesn't use phone numbers such as 1-800-857-3121 to find servers. Servers on the internet are addressed using their Internet Protocol address. Currently for IP v4 we use binary numbers translated into decimal notation. Since most people don't memorize IP addresses, there is a system in place that translates names into numbers. We call this system "DNS" or the Domain Naming System. It takes human readable addresses, such as www.microsoft.com and automatically translates them into the appropriate IP address that the machine understands. These human readable addresses are also known as a Uniform Resource Locator, or URL. Therefore your toll free 800 phone number is not a valid URL.

3. To get started, all you need to do is install BOINC. After you install, BOINC will check to see if you're connected to any projects. If not, it will automatically launch the "Connect to Project" wizard. If this wizard doesn't automatically launch, you can run it yourself by selecting the "Tools" drop-down menu and selecting "Add Project or Account Manager". Follow the wizard to add a project to your BOINC.


The rest is completely automatic. No other action is required. If you want to configure the way BOINC works, you can change the settings directly within BOINC, or go into your account here on the website and modify the preferences there.

If you're stuck or unsure of anything, let us know and someone will be happy to help.

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Message 1270192 - Posted: 11 Aug 2012, 0:47:50 UTC - in response to Message 1269913.

I'm having a little configuring my BOINC Wizard Manager to run my Seti@home screen saver as well as a few other projects in which my Internet Explorer from MICROSOFT just doesn't want to communicate with my server let alone find a server using the 1-800-857-3121 number because of my URL etc.,?

What to I have to do to configure and get started with my projects ?


The number listed is for the ISP Net Zero. BOINC has nothing at all to with Net Zero or any other ISP.

Like others have said. The internet does not use phone numbers it uses IP addresses like 192.168.1.1 (ipv4) or fe80:3456:3456:3456:1234:1234:1234:1234 (ipv6). It uses Domain Name Servers (DNS) to translate memorable names like dns.google.com into IP addresses like 8.8.8.8.
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