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Message 1208593 - Posted: 21 Mar 2012, 22:16:34 UTC - in response to Message 1208572.
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As to the motherboard chipset, that is Intel P55, on an Asus P7P55D Pro and another on an EVGA P55 Classified 200 motherboard.


Ah kk.
i was wondering if you had the same bug that i have here on my PC.
i saw yesterday, and i was wondering since a good month when i saw the first signs but without paying attention..

looks like i'm struck with the X38 PCIe 2.0 bug /cryyyyy

probably since the very begining that this PC has been built, i cant get my MSI GTX480 working in PCIe 2.0 on this ASUS Maximus Extreme motherboard.

i am running under PCIe 1.1x cause this buggy Chipset Intel® X38/ICH9R with Intel® Fast Memory Access Technology


/cryyyyy

i started my 2nd full day trying to research a fix or a way to make it work in 2.0 :(
i found 2 forum talking about that :

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?249130-PCI-E-Gen-2.0-Bug-X38-X48-X58
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1855175

at some point , some are talking about a SLIPatch 0.7a for Windows 7 x64. that can resolve the problem by making pass (making look) the X38 for a X58.
but nowhere i cant find this http://xdevs.com/sli/SLIPatch 0.7 Win7 x64R2 alpha.zip. 404 ERROR :((

at some point also i read some had a fake 2.0 bug cause the same downclocks problems you ve got. (and this is why i ve asked which chipset you have)
but me it s the real one :((

looks like ASUS and Intel send the problem to Nvidia way , which are always send it back to them :( a war that nobody want to resolve :(
i even tried the last Nvidia 296.10 Drivers. nothing. still in PCIe 1.1 :(

i cant make my GTX480 go 2.0 on my PC :(
a terrible lost of performance i could use.
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Message 1208606 - Posted: 21 Mar 2012, 22:50:18 UTC - in response to Message 1208593.

I don't think so, 275.50 seems to operate correctly like 266.58 does, You could try 266.58 or 275.50 and see if one or the other will fix Yer problem.

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Message 1208616 - Posted: 21 Mar 2012, 23:01:49 UTC - in response to Message 1208606.

I don't think so, 275.50 seems to operate correctly like 266.58 does, You could try 266.58 or 275.50 and see if one or the other will fix Yer problem.


i already have the 266.58 in my driver /directory. was the one i was using before trying that last 296. :(

i ll retry them with clean install. and also i ll try the 275.50 too
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Message 1208631 - Posted: 21 Mar 2012, 23:27:45 UTC - in response to Message 1208616.

I don't think so, 275.50 seems to operate correctly like 266.58 does, You could try 266.58 or 275.50 and see if one or the other will fix Yer problem.


i already have the 266.58 in my driver /directory. was the one i was using before trying that last 296. :(

i ll retry them with clean install. and also i ll try the 275.50 too

Couldn't help but notice that you're still using initial release (403) of bios for your mobo. It never hurt to update to latest version (1302) especially when some sort of problem is present. It may not solve it, but in any case you should have some benefits.
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Message 1208636 - Posted: 21 Mar 2012, 23:38:55 UTC - in response to Message 1208631.

Same thing with 266.58 and 275.50 :(

Couldn't help but notice that you're still using initial release (403) of bios for your mobo. It never hurt to update to latest version (1302) especially when some sort of problem is present. It may not solve it, but in any case you should have some benefits.


ya i know :( i have the MAXIMUS-ASUS-Extreme-1302.ROM on my desktop since yesterday. i have an old floppy drive in a desk ... i m just waiting my friend comeback to me in a day or 2 with a floppy connector cable :S
i couldnt find any floppy connector anywhere in my house :(

i ve check all the BIOS upgrade "txt", and none are talking about this problem fix :( so i dunno. it should be written in the fix lists.
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Message 1208651 - Posted: 22 Mar 2012, 0:14:47 UTC - in response to Message 1208636.

Couldn't help but notice that you're still using initial release (403) of bios for your mobo. It never hurt to update to latest version (1302) especially when some sort of problem is present. It may not solve it, but in any case you should have some benefits.


ya i know :( i have the MAXIMUS-ASUS-Extreme-1302.ROM on my desktop since yesterday. i have an old floppy drive in a desk ... i m just waiting my friend comeback to me in a day or 2 with a floppy connector cable :S
i couldnt find any floppy connector anywhere in my house :(

i ve check all the BIOS upgrade "txt", and none are talking about this problem fix :( so i dunno. it should be written in the fix lists.

You don't need a floppy, try using ASUS Update V7.17.06 to update bios from within windows. I did that countless times without any problems. Of course the usual conditions for such procedure must be met. Another easy way to upgrade is from bios itself. These days it may be smarter not to use flopies at all, except if you just walk out of the store with brand new drive and pack of discs and even then you wont be 100% sure.
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Message 1208657 - Posted: 22 Mar 2012, 0:35:41 UTC

ya i succeed to update it : via a CD RW 74mins.


as we can see 1302. but my gtx480 still in PCIe 1.1 :(

i didnt see anything new in my BIOS menu either :(
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Message 1208677 - Posted: 22 Mar 2012, 1:13:11 UTC

Got the EVGA Classified GTX590 installed and it's crunching away @ 630MHz and with the fan locked at 95%, and the voltage locked also(0.9380v), the temps are 80/89C for the 590 and 51C for the 460, Now the Silverstone ST1500 1500w psu has something to run with. So far so good, the 590 and 275.50 are getting along just fine...
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Message 1208679 - Posted: 22 Mar 2012, 1:17:03 UTC - in response to Message 1208677.
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the 590 and 275.50 are getting along just fine...



sweet bro :) you have better luck than me
(i m still searching lol i even tried to change slot from blue slot 5th to blue slot 4th - nothing fixed /snif )
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Message 1208717 - Posted: 22 Mar 2012, 4:21:49 UTC - in response to Message 1208657.

ya i succeed to update it : via a CD RW 74mins.


as we can see 1302. but my gtx480 still in PCIe 1.1 :(

i didnt see anything new in my BIOS menu either :(


Did you try running the render test in GPU-Z to see if that changed anything? The text in that says "One of these functions reduces the PCI-Express link speed & width to lower levels to conserve power when the card is idle.
This is why you might see undesired values in GPU-Z's bus interface readout."

Worth a try?

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Message 1208723 - Posted: 22 Mar 2012, 4:47:43 UTC - in response to Message 1208717.
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Did you try running the render test in GPU-Z to see if that changed anything? The text in that says "One of these functions reduces the PCI-Express link speed & width to lower levels to conserve power when the card is idle.
This is why you might see undesired values in GPU-Z's bus interface readout."

Worth a try?

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the " ? " just side of it ? yeah, and waited and waited , nothing moving :( always stayed at 1.1
i ve also tried GPU Caps Viewer each time

each time and in each drivers i ve tried :(
the last 3 drivers i ve tried are in that page http://www.msi.com/product/vga/N480GTX-M2D15.html#/?div=Driver&os=Win7%2064
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Message 1208728 - Posted: 22 Mar 2012, 5:01:10 UTC

i just let a post on MSI forum , 45mins ago.
http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=157812.0

i am completly out of ideas :(
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Message 1208732 - Posted: 22 Mar 2012, 5:50:48 UTC
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i ve got a first reply there...

Two possibilities are the card itself or your PCIE slot on your MB.
Suggest you test the 480 on a PC where PCIE 2.0 is known to be working.


it can be a bit hard to test my GTX480 elsewhere :(
i have another little PC, my old PC i ve bought a new PSU and a little VCard for making it back to work and crunch WUs...

but i know it s not 2.0 capable motherboard :( it s an ASUS M2N4SLI but the little VCard i bought is a little MSI N450GTS
this card i can easily test it tomorrow on my big PC, my Maximus Extreme.
it should be 2.0 capable, right ?
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Message 1209030 - Posted: 22 Mar 2012, 21:47:05 UTC - in response to Message 1208732.
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Nvidia knows about this Bug:

PCIe 2.0 graphics card is only running in PCIe 1.0 speed with Intel X38 chipset.

NVIDIA graphics drivers will lock PCI Express to PCIe 1.0 speeds on Intel X38 chipsets as we have seen reports of X38 chipsets not switching properly between PCIe 1.0 and PCIe 2.0. This is expected behavior and will help to insure stability while we continue to investigate the problem


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Message 1209034 - Posted: 22 Mar 2012, 22:05:13 UTC - in response to Message 1209030.

Nvidia knows about this Bug:

PCIe 2.0 graphics card is only running in PCIe 1.0 speed with Intel X38 chipset.

NVIDIA graphics drivers will lock PCI Express to PCIe 1.0 speeds on Intel X38 chipsets as we have seen reports of X38 chipsets not switching properly between PCIe 1.0 and PCIe 2.0. This is expected behavior and will help to insure stability while we continue to investigate the problem


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Message 1209107 - Posted: 23 Mar 2012, 0:39:17 UTC
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THANKS YOU Claggy.
welllllll. /cryyyyy

or I hope they resolve the bug very very fast
or i ll have to buy another Mainboard with different chipset for my main X9650

like this Striker II Extreme with a chipset : NVIDIA nForce 790i Ultra SLI

/cryyyyy
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Message 1209220 - Posted: 23 Mar 2012, 11:58:24 UTC - in response to Message 1209107.
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THANKS YOU Claggy.
welllllll. /cryyyyy

or I hope they resolve the bug very very fast
or i ll have to buy another Mainboard with different chipset for my main X9650

like this Striker II Extreme with a chipset : NVIDIA nForce 790i Ultra SLI

/cryyyyy


Well, got the same 'problem', with an ASUS P5E, X9650 CPU and GTX480 GPU, running in PCIe 16x ver. 1.1, although it runs ATI cards f.i. 5870 in PCIe 16x
ver. 2.0 . Has to be the X38 chipset.
This host .

(Something completely different: all x86 WIN XP/VISTA & 7 hosts, were infected with 2 different trojans! Hidden in pagefil.sys and hyberfil.sys) Used an Avast Rescue Disk to remove them, my LT (HP Pavillion 8000) had 6 of them!

Had to call my ISP (KPNPlanet) for a new MODEM, digital TV and even phone line
didn't work correct! Still have to clean out my I7-2600, also infected
with probably the same trojans!
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Message 1209247 - Posted: 23 Mar 2012, 13:52:35 UTC - in response to Message 1209220.
Last modified: 23 Mar 2012, 14:08:15 UTC

THANKS YOU Claggy.
welllllll. /cryyyyy

or I hope they resolve the bug very very fast
or i ll have to buy another Mainboard with different chipset for my main X9650

like this Striker II Extreme with a chipset : NVIDIA nForce 790i Ultra SLI

/cryyyyy


Well, got the same 'problem', with an ASUS P5E, X9650 CPU and GTX480 GPU, running in PCIe 16x ver. 1.1, although it runs ATI cards f.i. 5870 in PCIe 16x
ver. 2.0 . Has to be the X38 chipset.
This host .

(Something completely different: all x86 WIN XP/VISTA & 7 hosts, were infected with 2 different trojans! Hidden in pagefil.sys and hyberfil.sys) Used an Avast Rescue Disk to remove them, my LT (HP Pavillion 8000) had 6 of them!

Had to call my ISP (KPNPlanet) for a new MODEM, digital TV and even phone line
didn't work correct! Still have to clean out my I7-2600, also infected
with probably the same trojans!


Also had to clean out the Registry, by hand using Regedt32.exe* and found remnants of Norton(2010!) and bits of AVG(2011) and lots of other
Removed/Deïnstalled program remnants! Took me sevaral hours.......
*%Windows\system32\regedt32.exe
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Message 1209252 - Posted: 23 Mar 2012, 14:07:15 UTC - in response to Message 1209247.

THANKS YOU Claggy.
welllllll. /cryyyyy

or I hope they resolve the bug very very fast
or i ll have to buy another Mainboard with different chipset for my main X9650

like this Striker II Extreme with a chipset : NVIDIA nForce 790i Ultra SLI

/cryyyyy


Well, got the same 'problem', with an ASUS P5E, X9650 CPU and GTX480 GPU, running in PCIe 16x ver. 1.1, although it runs ATI cards f.i. 5870 in PCIe 16x
ver. 2.0 . Has to be the X38 chipset.
This host .

(Something completely different: all x86 WIN XP/VISTA & 7 hosts, were infected with 2 different trojans! Hidden in pagefil.sys and hyberfil.sys) Used an Avast Rescue Disk to remove them, my LT (HP Pavillion 8000) had 6 of them!

Had to call my ISP (KPNPlanet) for a new MODEM, digital TV and even phone line
didn't work correct! Still have to clean out my I7-2600, also infected
with probably the same trojans!


Also had to clean out the Registry, by hand using Regedit and found remnants of Norton(2010!) and bits of AVG(2011) and lots of other
Removed/Deïnstalled program remnants! Took me sevaral hours.......




Sounds particularly nasty alright.
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Message 1209524 - Posted: 24 Mar 2012, 4:56:46 UTC - in response to Message 1209030.
Last modified: 24 Mar 2012, 5:14:56 UTC

Nvidia knows about this Bug:

PCIe 2.0 graphics card is only running in PCIe 1.0 speed with Intel X38 chipset.

NVIDIA graphics drivers will lock PCI Express to PCIe 1.0 speeds on Intel X38 chipsets as we have seen reports of X38 chipsets not switching properly between PCIe 1.0 and PCIe 2.0. This is expected behavior and will help to insure stability while we continue to investigate the problem


Claggy



So, i just tested tonight a HiS Radeon HD 6770 ...




/cryyyy


PCIe 2.0 graphics card is only running in PCIe 1.0 speed with Intel X38 chipset.

Answer ID 2767 | Published 08/24/2010 11:11 AM | Updated 12/02/2010 02:32 PM PCIe 2.0 graphics card is only running in PCIe 1.0 speed with Intel X38 chipset.


NVIDIA graphics drivers will lock PCI Express to PCIe 1.0 speeds on Intel X38 chipsets as we have seen reports of X38 chipsets not switching properly between PCIe 1.0 and PCIe 2.0. This is expected behavior and will help to insure stability while we continue to investigate the problem.


i am wondering if i can find some drivers before that "Published 08/24/2010 11:11 AM" and check the number ID of the drivers, if it can work, to crunch seti datas and if it can make my GTX working in 2.0 ?
A (NVIDIA graphics drivers THAT WILL NOT lock PCI Express to PCIe 1.0 speeds on Intel X38 chipsets) ?

EDIT I Guess not :(
GeForce/ION Release 260 WHQL 260.89 October 18, 2010

are the oldest i can find on Nvidia.com
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