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Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
Did you see the Mails Quentin (lets be limp wristed) Letts two page attack on Lib Dem MP Lynne Featherstone last week. Absolutely scurrilous..... No, I don't read the Mail!!. But still, nothing unusual for a newspaper to be "scurrilous". So many times it's down to the paper knowing something that we don't and that this something is something that they darn't put in print... ...which is a shame of course. I'd love to know what true facts are behind some of these scurrilous remarks, hidden from the public eye...for various reasons...Hmm...there's nout smoke without fire, as they say? The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24870 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Problems ahead? Poll Massacre If the polls are anything to go by, looks like the Lib-Dems & the coalition is in trouble. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24870 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
The polls over the years have always come up with these sort of turn around figures in a Parliaments mid term. It would be more worrying if the polls got the same result this time next year. The Mail in particular has always been anti Lib-Dem and therfore anti the Coalition. At present it's a popular bandwagon to jump on. Ah, so their all "tabloids then" Snubbed by tories Clegg having sleepness nights |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24870 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Your shirt tail is showing again Sirius ;-)) Hold on tight to the handrail we don't want you falling off the wagon! About bleedin' time! ...now, I thought you promised us you'd give the Mail up? |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
Your shirt tail is showing again Sirius ;-)) Hold on tight to the handrail we don't want you falling off the wagon! Wont be long before they attempt to bring back the old window tax again... The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
Hey, Fenestration rules, OK! No good our governments trying to hide behind the curtains regarding their wantonness to tax the public to cover their lack of ability to balance the books. In the end the rich become only well off, the well off become comfortable, the comfortable become poor and the poor become poverty stricken and destitute. By this time it become too late to correct this error and the country becomes economically finished. Leave the wealth of the country in those hands of the people who generate or earn it and not in the hands of the government or place the wealth in those hands of the people who do not earn it. The former leads to a healthy and vibrant economy the latter ones will lead to it destruction. Excessive social spending saps far to much out of an economy and our ongoing sound financial future can only be guaranteed if we accept that we will have to have the "haves and have nots". This may be hard to accept yet if you don't then one day you will eventually become one of the majority of the "have nots". Why? because in the end the government will have taxed all your wealth away from you. Excessive social spending by governments is becoming nothing more than a way of redistributing wealth from those who (earn so have) over to those who don't earn but the government feel they should (have). My views may seem uncharitable but I truly see serious financial problems for the UK if governments continue to take from the earners excessively in the manner that they are, penalising the wealth generators has never worked and will never work. So I suggest our government step away from behind the curtain and do what they know they should be doing and take a knife to our social spending budget. Well, our social spending budget does account for about a third of our tax revenue. So just think what inward investment we could carryout in the UK if we cut the social spending budget by 50% and used this saved money in a more constructive way to the benefit of all and not just a few. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
The social spending budget also encompasses family allowances and pensions, it isn't all paying the way of militant clerics and immigrants like the press would have you believe. Chris, I don't see the point of this statement here for who mentioned immigrants and military clerics, certainly not me. At the end of the day there are two choices. If people are that dissatisfied with our politicians and the way of life in this country, they they are perfectly at liberty to emigrate to another country where they think they might be happier, and good luck to them. This is not an answer to my previous post, this is nothing more than a swerve on the issues I raised. That happens already courtesy of the 80/20 rule known as the Pareto principle, where 80% of the wealth of a country is owned by 20% of the people. Once the government has first taken it's slice through various taxation's then the 80/20% ratio needs to be quantified in real terms. If as each year passes so the amount left to be divided 80/20% diminishes too so everyone gets to be poorer by the year. So for this not to become a problem you need to make sure your economic growth is not sapped by associated increases in taxation. But if you are unable to maintain a good growth figure you can not continue to maintain high taxation levels without drawing more on peoples wealth in one way or the other. Hence the application of stealth taxation that is used to draw more on people wealth during times of low economic growth because the government refuses to put a curb on it's expenditures. When governments start to consider applying a wealth taxation then this is the first indication that something is going seriously wrong within the system. Also in regards to the 80/20% wealth ratio, it becomes clear regarding quantifying this in real terms. For this ratio must be applicable to the PIGS countries and all those populations have become a lot poorer since the 80% of the wealth that the 20% own is reducing year by year.....for most I suspect anyway. So in reality this 80/20% ratio can be quite meaningless if the remaining 80% of the population can survive OK owning only 20% of the countries wealth. But the survival rate can be seriously reduced by an application of wealth stripping that governments have become quite adept at. Applying a wealth tax on properties valued at £2 million and above will become abused. Indexation will be cut so drawing, via property price inflation, more people into this band. In time everyone who owns a property will eventually have to pay this wealth tax. So strange as it seems if a government strips out to much wealth for itself via excessive taxation then only the wealthy will be able to afford it. To this end you will now have a potential new ratio of 90% of the wealth owned by 10% of the population. So how long then before the ordinary man in the street finds he can't afford to pay a wealth tax so decides the best option in the end is not to own his own property. So renting is his only option and it will be the remaining wealthy people who end up owning the houses that he and other now rent. This now brings into focus how 90% of the wealth now falls into the hands of only 10% of the population. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24870 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Appeal blocks deportation Many within the government have admitted that if the Home Office did get the date wrong, it will be a devastating blow for the government. Just been on the BBC news & it's not looking good..... Second term Del Boy? Dream on! |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 18996 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Appeal blocks deportation UK government insists Abu Qatada appeal 'too late' is the latest from the beeb. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24870 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
"I'm not sure why it's regarded as such a big deal," he told BBC Breakfast. Something to think about.... Next government will be Labour/Lib Dem coalition..... |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 18996 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
"I'm not sure why it's regarded as such a big deal," he told BBC Breakfast. Haven't you both forgotten the UKIP, in the last polls I saw they are in third place. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24870 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
No , haven't forgotten. However, I don't think they're big or powerful enough to influence any election for some time to come. If that day does come, the 3 main parties will have to stop their bickering & start acting on what they promise or their meal tickets will be stamped "invalid". |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
UKIP currently acts as a good protest voting party but whether they manage to grip the electorates imagination then time will only tell. I liked the "meal ticket" quote, Sirius. The trouble here is that there are too many government inspired meal tickets going around and no one is noticing that the larder is slowly becoming empty. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
Typical mid-term bashing only to be expected. The Tories will get in again next time because no-one wants another Labour Government, Chris, I wished I had your confidence here but for the time being your most probably correct. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 18996 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
I think you said it all there, Chris. In the UK we are not used to coalition governments, or frequent "votes of no confidence". But you only need to look back to the end of WW2 and see how many different governments there have been in countries like France and Italy to see how unsettling it can be. |
Orgil Send message Joined: 3 Aug 05 Posts: 979 Credit: 103,527 RAC: 0 |
BTW germans already began to elect/appoint turkish origin and vietnamese origin government members. When would uk begin to appoint pakistani origin and (maybe polish origin) government members? It is just interesting contrast between two main eu powers. Mandtugai! |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 18996 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
BTW germans already began to elect/appoint turkish origin and vietnamese origin government members. When would uk begin to appoint pakistani origin and (maybe polish origin) government members? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Pakistanis#Politics |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
I don't see a deal with Labour at their present showing, but if the UKIP fortunes increase we might just possibly see a UKIP in the Cabinet as a price for their support. That can mean only one thing a full assort against the ECM by forcing a referendum on this ECM issue or a renegotiation of our terms of membership. This is the number 1 policy issue with the UKIP our ECM membership so having the UKIP represented in the government could cause a split in the Tory party. What we do want is our country governed in the best way possible using the best available people, and if needs be from across two parties. One of my biggest issues regarding "the right person to do the job". The best person may not always be the one that is from the party/parties ruling at the time. People from outside politics should be selectable for some of these ministerial jobs especially if their credentials far outstrip those of any current M.P's available from within the government or the opposition parties. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
a prominent businessman or woman, or a notable Academic, can be appointed as a "Government advisor" to take advantage of their expertise. It's just not the same though, "a government advisory without any authority to act". I would like to see it the other way round with the one with the expertise actually being the minister with authority to act. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Orgil Send message Joined: 3 Aug 05 Posts: 979 Credit: 103,527 RAC: 0 |
What uk really need is to elect a prime minister some one of kenyan descent so clean up all the mess around. Because that experiment with their close ally is going on really well plus uk has plenty of luo tribe offsprings just happen to have that in kenya luo tribe has relatively larger proportion of scientists and lawyers. Just distant observation. There is another interesting example happening that in japan many big corporation began to hire europeans as their ceo. So brain change is really happening everywhere east and west. Mandtugai! |
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