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Message 1216967 - Posted: 11 Apr 2012, 19:22:54 UTC - in response to Message 1216963.  
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Did you see the Mails Quentin (lets be limp wristed) Letts two page attack on Lib Dem MP Lynne Featherstone last week. Absolutely scurrilous.....



No, I don't read the Mail!!. But still, nothing unusual for a newspaper to be
"scurrilous". So many times it's down to the paper knowing something that we
don't and that this something is something that they darn't put in print...
...which is a shame of course. I'd love to know what true facts are behind
some of these scurrilous remarks, hidden from the public eye...for various
reasons...Hmm...there's nout smoke without fire, as they say?
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Message 1219059 - Posted: 16 Apr 2012, 8:00:31 UTC

Problems ahead?

Poll Massacre

If the polls are anything to go by, looks like the Lib-Dems & the coalition is in trouble.
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Message 1219066 - Posted: 16 Apr 2012, 8:50:33 UTC - in response to Message 1219064.  

The polls over the years have always come up with these sort of turn around figures in a Parliaments mid term. It would be more worrying if the polls got the same result this time next year. The Mail in particular has always been anti Lib-Dem and therfore anti the Coalition. At present it's a popular bandwagon to jump on.



Ah, so their all "tabloids then"

Snubbed by tories

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Message 1219105 - Posted: 16 Apr 2012, 11:10:18 UTC - in response to Message 1219069.  
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Your shirt tail is showing again Sirius ;-)) Hold on tight to the handrail we don't want you falling off the wagon!

Oh and please don't read this, you won't like it .....

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About bleedin' time!

...now, I thought you promised us you'd give the Mail up?
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Message 1219302 - Posted: 16 Apr 2012, 20:28:38 UTC - in response to Message 1219069.  

Your shirt tail is showing again Sirius ;-)) Hold on tight to the handrail we don't want you falling off the wagon!

Oh and please don't read this, you won't like it .....

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Wont be long before they attempt to bring back the old window tax again...



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Message 1219344 - Posted: 16 Apr 2012, 22:15:00 UTC - in response to Message 1219313.  
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Hey, Fenestration rules, OK!



No good our governments trying to hide behind the curtains regarding their
wantonness to tax the public to cover their lack of ability to balance
the books. In the end the rich become only well off, the well off become comfortable, the
comfortable become poor and the poor become poverty stricken and destitute.
By this time it become too late to correct this error and the country becomes
economically finished. Leave the wealth of the country in those hands of the
people who generate or earn it and not in the hands of the government or place
the wealth in those hands of the people who do not earn it. The former leads to
a healthy and vibrant economy the latter ones will lead to it destruction.
Excessive social spending saps far to much out of an economy and our
ongoing sound financial future can only be guaranteed if we accept that we will
have to have the "haves and have nots". This may be hard to accept yet if you
don't then one day you will eventually become one of the majority of the "have nots".
Why? because in the end the government will have taxed all your wealth
away from you. Excessive social spending by governments is becoming nothing
more than a way of redistributing wealth from those who (earn so have) over to
those who don't earn but the government feel they should (have).
My views may seem uncharitable but I truly see serious financial problems for
the UK if governments continue to take from the earners excessively in the
manner that they are, penalising the wealth generators has never worked and
will never work.

So I suggest our government step away from behind the curtain and do what they
know they should be doing and take a knife to our social spending budget.
Well, our social spending budget does account for about a third of our tax
revenue. So just think what inward investment we could carryout in the UK if
we cut the social spending budget by 50% and used this saved money in a more
constructive way to the benefit of all and not just a few.
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Message 1219731 - Posted: 18 Apr 2012, 0:09:21 UTC

The social spending budget also encompasses family allowances and pensions, it isn't all paying the way of militant clerics and immigrants like the press would have you believe.


Chris, I don't see the point of this statement here for who mentioned
immigrants and military clerics, certainly not me.

At the end of the day there are two choices. If people are that dissatisfied with our politicians and the way of life in this country, they they are perfectly at liberty to emigrate to another country where they think they might be happier, and good luck to them.

Alternatively they can become involved with their local political parties and campaign for change. There are plenty of independent candidates in addition to the mainstream parties, it is not difficult to find someone that holds the same views as you. Any member of the public can stand as an Independent candidate in local and National elections. "Vote for me and I will promise to cut social spending by 50%".


This is not an answer to my previous post, this is nothing more than a swerve
on the issues I raised.


That happens already courtesy of the 80/20 rule known as the Pareto principle, where 80% of the wealth of a country is owned by 20% of the people.


Once the government has first taken it's slice through various taxation's then
the 80/20% ratio needs to be quantified in real terms. If as each year passes
so the amount left to be divided 80/20% diminishes too so everyone gets to be
poorer by the year. So for this not to become a problem you need to make sure
your economic growth is not sapped by associated increases in taxation. But
if you are unable to maintain a good growth figure you can not continue to
maintain high taxation levels without drawing more on peoples wealth in one way or
the other. Hence the application of stealth taxation that is used to draw more
on people wealth during times of low economic growth because the government
refuses to put a curb on it's expenditures. When governments start to consider
applying a wealth taxation then this is the first indication that something is
going seriously wrong within the system. Also in regards to the 80/20% wealth
ratio, it becomes clear regarding quantifying this in real terms. For this
ratio must be applicable to the PIGS countries and all those populations have
become a lot poorer since the 80% of the wealth that the 20% own is reducing
year by year.....for most I suspect anyway. So in reality this 80/20% ratio
can be quite meaningless if the remaining 80% of the population can survive OK
owning only 20% of the countries wealth. But the survival rate can be seriously
reduced by an application of wealth stripping that governments have become
quite adept at. Applying a wealth tax on properties valued at £2 million and
above will become abused. Indexation will be cut so drawing, via property price
inflation, more people into this band. In time everyone who owns a property
will eventually have to pay this wealth tax. So strange as it seems if a
government strips out to much wealth for itself via excessive taxation then
only the wealthy will be able to afford it. To this end you will now have
a potential new ratio of 90% of the wealth owned by 10% of the population.
So how long then before the ordinary man in the street finds he can't afford
to pay a wealth tax so decides the best option in the end is not to own his
own property. So renting is his only option and it will be the remaining
wealthy people who end up owning the houses that he and other now rent.
This now brings into focus how 90% of the wealth now falls into the hands
of only 10% of the population.












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Message 1220061 - Posted: 18 Apr 2012, 21:32:46 UTC

Appeal blocks deportation

Many within the government have admitted that if the Home Office did get the date wrong, it will be a devastating blow for the government.

Just been on the BBC news & it's not looking good.....

Second term Del Boy? Dream on!
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Message 1220139 - Posted: 19 Apr 2012, 3:05:37 UTC - in response to Message 1220061.  

Appeal blocks deportation

Many within the government have admitted that if the Home Office did get the date wrong, it will be a devastating blow for the government.

Just been on the BBC news & it's not looking good.....

Second term Del Boy? Dream on!

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Message 1220260 - Posted: 19 Apr 2012, 12:41:48 UTC - in response to Message 1220214.  

"I'm not sure why it's regarded as such a big deal," he told BBC Breakfast.

"We know perfectly well legal proceedings are still going to take a few months, they're bound to do so."


Typical mid-term bashing only to be expected. The Tories will get in again next time because no-one wants another Labour Government, and the Lib Dems are not big enough to rule on their own. Whether it's another Coalition or a minority Tory Government is another matter. And whether Cameron will still be the leader is another matter yet again.



Something to think about....

Next government will be Labour/Lib Dem coalition.....
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Message 1220283 - Posted: 19 Apr 2012, 13:37:47 UTC - in response to Message 1220260.  

"I'm not sure why it's regarded as such a big deal," he told BBC Breakfast.

"We know perfectly well legal proceedings are still going to take a few months, they're bound to do so."


Typical mid-term bashing only to be expected. The Tories will get in again next time because no-one wants another Labour Government, and the Lib Dems are not big enough to rule on their own. Whether it's another Coalition or a minority Tory Government is another matter. And whether Cameron will still be the leader is another matter yet again.



Something to think about....

Next government will be Labour/Lib Dem coalition.....

Haven't you both forgotten the UKIP, in the last polls I saw they are in third place.
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Message 1220296 - Posted: 19 Apr 2012, 14:33:50 UTC - in response to Message 1220283.  
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Haven't you both forgotten the UKIP, in the last polls I saw they are in third place.


No , haven't forgotten. However, I don't think they're big or powerful enough to influence any election for some time to come.

If that day does come, the 3 main parties will have to stop their bickering & start acting on what they promise or their meal tickets will be stamped "invalid".
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Message 1220302 - Posted: 19 Apr 2012, 14:52:33 UTC - in response to Message 1220296.  


Haven't you both forgotten the UKIP, in the last polls I saw they are in third place.


No , haven't forgotten. However, I don't think they're big or powerful enough to influence any election for some time to come.

If that day does come, the 3 main parties will have to stop their bickering & start acting on what they promise or their meal tickets will be stamped "invalid".


UKIP currently acts as a good protest voting party but whether they manage
to grip the electorates imagination then time will only tell.

I liked the "meal ticket" quote, Sirius. The trouble here is that there are too
many government inspired meal tickets going around and no one is noticing
that the larder is slowly becoming empty.



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Message 1220303 - Posted: 19 Apr 2012, 14:55:42 UTC
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Typical mid-term bashing only to be expected. The Tories will get in again next time because no-one wants another Labour Government,


Chris, I wished I had your confidence here but for the time being your most probably correct.
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Message 1220571 - Posted: 20 Apr 2012, 10:21:10 UTC - in response to Message 1220546.  

I think you said it all there, Chris. In the UK we are not used to coalition governments, or frequent "votes of no confidence". But you only need to look back to the end of WW2 and see how many different governments there have been in countries like France and Italy to see how unsettling it can be.
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Message 1220574 - Posted: 20 Apr 2012, 10:28:29 UTC

BTW germans already began to elect/appoint turkish origin and vietnamese origin government members. When would uk begin to appoint pakistani origin and (maybe polish origin) government members?

It is just interesting contrast between two main eu powers.
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Message 1220578 - Posted: 20 Apr 2012, 10:44:12 UTC - in response to Message 1220574.  

BTW germans already began to elect/appoint turkish origin and vietnamese origin government members. When would uk begin to appoint pakistani origin and (maybe polish origin) government members?

It is just interesting contrast between two main eu powers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Pakistanis#Politics
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Message 1220587 - Posted: 20 Apr 2012, 11:49:50 UTC

I don't see a deal with Labour at their present showing, but if the UKIP fortunes increase we might just possibly see a UKIP in the Cabinet as a price for their support.

That can mean only one thing a full assort against the ECM by forcing a
referendum on this ECM issue or a renegotiation of our terms of membership.
This is the number 1 policy issue with the UKIP our ECM membership so having
the UKIP represented in the government could cause a split in the Tory party.


What we do want is our country governed in the best way possible using the best available people, and if needs be from across two parties.

One of my biggest issues regarding "the right person to do the job". The
best person may not always be the one that is from the party/parties ruling
at the time. People from outside politics should be selectable for some of
these ministerial jobs especially if their credentials far outstrip those of
any current M.P's available from within the government or the opposition parties.




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Message 1220597 - Posted: 20 Apr 2012, 12:42:44 UTC
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a prominent businessman or woman, or a notable Academic, can be appointed as a "Government advisor" to take advantage of their expertise.

It's just not the same though, "a government advisory without any authority to act".
I would like to see it the other way round with the one with the expertise
actually being the minister with authority to act.
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Message 1220603 - Posted: 20 Apr 2012, 13:23:05 UTC
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What uk really need is to elect a prime minister some one of kenyan descent so clean up all the mess around. Because that experiment with their close ally is going on really well plus uk has plenty of luo tribe offsprings just happen to have that in kenya luo tribe has relatively larger proportion of scientists and lawyers. Just distant observation.

There is another interesting example happening that in japan many big corporation began to hire europeans as their ceo. So brain change is really happening everywhere east and west.
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