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Message 1211119 - Posted: 28 Mar 2012, 17:20:09 UTC

Just how much tax evasion/avoidance did they manipulate.


No-one can or does manipulate tax evasion. The tax laws are the tax laws and have to be abided by. If people do not pay the taxes that they are legally obliged to do then that is a criminal offence, punishable by fines and or prison. What we do have is tax avoidance which is quite legal.

The tax laws are very complex and it is almost impossible to draft legislation that doesn't somewhere in the fine print have a loophole that can be exploited by clever accountants. As each one becomes apparent the law is changed accordingly to combat it.

...the system itself is corrupted!


The political system that we have has served reasonably well for over 100 years, but in the 21st Century with an ever investigative press, it is being seen as wanting. Which is why we have had changes in the Parliamentary expenses rules, the Leveson inquiry, and now forthcoming legislation to cap political donations and make all lobbying meetings public knowledge.

Just how many "influencial" lobbyists had their "hands on the tiller" so to speak?


In the case of the Labour party you might well ask that question. David Milliband the out and out favourite, did not get the position of Leader of the Labour party because the Trade Unions wanted somebody weak that they could control, so they made sure that Ed got the job.

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Message 1211125 - Posted: 28 Mar 2012, 17:27:22 UTC - in response to Message 1211119.


The political system that we have has served reasonably well for over 100 years, but in the 21st Century with an ever investigative press, it is being seen as wanting. Which is why we have had changes in the Parliamentary expenses rules, the Leveson inquiry, and now forthcoming legislation to cap political donations and make all lobbying meetings public knowledge.


Sorry Chris, I'm not up to date as I think, I wasn't aware of that fact, so thanks.
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Message 1211283 - Posted: 28 Mar 2012, 22:34:02 UTC

It seems that Cammie can't remember where he buys his takeways.....could it have been the missus or an underling that bought it?

Cammie's Pasties

...if he did buy his own....gawd help us, he entered our ranks to spy on us, then gets elected & taxes us to death.
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Message 1211324 - Posted: 28 Mar 2012, 23:29:37 UTC - in response to Message 1211283.

It seems that Cammie can't remember where he buys his takeways.....could it have been the missus or an underling that bought it?

Cammie's Pasties

...if he did buy his own....gawd help us, he entered our ranks to spy on us, then gets elected & taxes us to death.

....and then, Sirius, taxes you after death too, just to rub it in a bit more...



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Message 1211330 - Posted: 28 Mar 2012, 23:50:44 UTC - in response to Message 1211324.

Right, bring back the good old days under Labor -- no taxes at all then.... Oh wait.




...if he did buy his own....gawd help us, he entered our ranks to spy on us, then gets elected & taxes us to death.

....and then, Sirius, taxes you after death too, just to rub it in a bit more...


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Message 1211536 - Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 14:49:35 UTC - in response to Message 1211330.

Yeah quite true.

However, labour did know NOT to tax food so what with the pending tanker driver srike, lorry drivers should be up in arms about our pasties :)
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Message 1211825 - Posted: 30 Mar 2012, 7:29:39 UTC - in response to Message 1211536.
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Yeah quite true.

However, labour did know NOT to tax food so what with the pending tanker driver srike, lorry drivers should be up in arms about our pasties :)


2003 Labour considered taxing fatty foods on health reasons but found an
excuse not to carry it out...
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But a super tax on fatty foods would be perceived as a regressive tax because people on lower incomes tend to eat proportionally larger quantities of cheap, high-fat food.
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....said the Labour party spokesman.

All this came about due to a Health study carried out at that time.
This study found that poorer families suffered from poorer health later in
life due to their poor quality diets. So what did the government of that time
do.....absolutely nothing just swept it under the carpet. They chose not to
make fatty foods more expensive than good quality foods thereby forcing
people to improve on their diets. Staple good quality food is not expensive,
vegetables and some meat like chicken is not expensive and well within the
budget of even that fraternity who live off state handouts. The class of
people who tend to fall into the poor category are there so because of poor
educational level and I suspect dam ignorance too and just cant be bothered
to see that they and their children eat healthily. To the Labour party at that
time then it was better to do nothing rather than hurt a big source of their
votes. But looking at it from another angle you could say that the Labour
party cares dam little about the health of those who vote for them just as long
as they continue to vote for the party. Well, that's politics for you and
pretty dam awful, I must say, well you get what you vote for in the end and
that's "politics" with very little worthwhile action thrown in.

Has government got any better since 2003? not at all.
They and the opposition spent most of one day this week bashing it off over
the application of a tax on hot pasties. Never mind the fact that the south
runs a severe risk of drought this coming summer. No time spent here discussing
a new plan to build reservoirs up north and pump the water down south...as was
suggested, many years ago, needed to be done. That's called planning for the
future, "Manana-procrastination" the motto that should be affixed to the top
of most political parties manifesto's followed by, "Nihil facimus hodie"..= today we do nothing.
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Message 1211859 - Posted: 30 Mar 2012, 9:31:04 UTC

Ahead of the drought meeting, London mayor Boris Johnson asked why we couldn’t use gravity to “bring surplus rain from the mountains to irrigate and refresh the breadbasket of the country in the south and east.” It may sound like a pie in the sky idea, but it has been seriously discussed by governments in the past. We have a nationwide electricity grid – why not one for that other utility we can’t live without: water.

In 1973, the Water Resources Board, a government agency, produced a report that detailed all kinds of infrastructure to aid the trickle-down: building freshwater storage barrages in the Ouse Wash and Morecambe Bay, using canals to move water from north to south, extending reservoirs and building new aqueducts and tunnels between river basins.

In 2006, the Environment Agency returned to the question. Pumping water down from the northern Pennines to London could be done, it agreed, but it would cost between five and eight times more than developing the water system in and around the south-east.

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Message 1211979 - Posted: 30 Mar 2012, 16:44:36 UTC
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In 2006, the Environment Agency returned to the question. Pumping water down from the northern Pennines to London could be done, it agreed, but it would cost between five and eight times more than developing the water system in and around the south-east.


Ah Chris, now we truly know what HST2 is really all about. A fast train enabling
the Southerners to go up North to collect their own water and bring it back
down to home themselves.
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Message 1211991 - Posted: 30 Mar 2012, 16:56:24 UTC - in response to Message 1211979.


Ah Chris, know we truly know what HST2 is really all about. A fast train enabling
the Southerners to go up North to collect their own water and bring it back
down home themselves.


& paying twice for the privledge.
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Message 1211994 - Posted: 30 Mar 2012, 17:00:31 UTC - in response to Message 1211979.
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I'm sure it will be fun though??
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Message 1212207 - Posted: 31 Mar 2012, 5:21:13 UTC
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Maybe Cameron and Obama are having surprisingly similar fate that cleaning up the worst mess that being accumulated by their predecessors. Both Bush and his puudel Blair are one of the worst kinds of war criminals that have nearly 1 million human kills in their presidency records plus ruining of their domestic economy beyond any comprehension. So poor next electees are partially carrying the blame and cleaning up the worst mess around.

I'd say the last falls civil war like rising and burnings in London was actually that dark politics cancer tumor exploded in uk after few years of its initiation. Which its mirror cancer tumor is in usa that called Occupy rising or actual reflection of the tumor in another words.
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Message 1212258 - Posted: 31 Mar 2012, 9:42:24 UTC

Well if he wants a second term in office, he'd better make sure that he has cabinet ministers that have common sense & not a bloated egotisical image of themselves....

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Message 1212261 - Posted: 31 Mar 2012, 10:02:42 UTC

2 reports that says it all about politicians.....THEY DO live in a different universe to the rest of us....unfortunately, these scumbags are draining us all dry!

"The Ship" that died of shame

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Message 1212747 - Posted: 1 Apr 2012, 8:55:31 UTC

I see Del Boy is up to his normal tricks with throwaway remarks. Don't think he's going to get a second term.

Fuel Panic is good

Trying to tell us something davey boy? Like get back on our bikes? Sorry, Norman Tebbitt beat you to it by 30 years!
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Message 1212750 - Posted: 1 Apr 2012, 9:02:29 UTC

Don't blame the Government for something they foolishly say. Blame all the short sighted idiots that went and jammed up the fuel stations and caused the panic.

It's about time people took responsibility for them selves and their individual and collective actions.

They will be blaming the woman who set herself on fire when she decanted petrol from one open container to another next to a running gas cooker. I am sorry she suffered 40% burns, but no knowledge of the volatility of petrol is no defence in life and it's consequences.
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Message 1212754 - Posted: 1 Apr 2012, 9:08:49 UTC

Of course the government are at fault. They want us back to this...... Serfs, so that they can sit back with their fat King Edward's after their caviar & chips luncheon, followed by coffee in the "Grand Room".
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Message 1212755 - Posted: 1 Apr 2012, 9:12:15 UTC
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Come on Sirius ... your prejudices are hanging out under your shirt tails.

That is total an utter twaddle, as is like any assertions I might make that Labour wants to control all our waking actions (which they do) ... LOL
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Message 1212757 - Posted: 1 Apr 2012, 9:15:14 UTC

No way is Labour going to win with Milliband and their current opposition front Bench, and I think the Tories will be hard pushed to get a large working majority. We may have another hung parliament with the coalition continuing. My view has always been that the coalition is the best compromise we could have with basically a Tory government and PM, but a Lib Dem Deputy PM and 5 Lib Dem Cabinet Ministers keeping the worst Tory excesses in check.

People knock the Lib Dems for wagging the Governments tail, but people forget that the Lib Dems are in government now and shaping government policy. It it wasn't for them the austerity measures in the last budget would have been very much higher.

People need to decide whether they want to knock the Leader of the party personally, or the party itself that they stand for. Cameron is getting a bashing by many people who actually agree with a lot of the Tory policies. But that is what the frontsman is for, and they know that when they stand for office.

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Message 1212758 - Posted: 1 Apr 2012, 9:19:04 UTC
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OK, I admit it, I'm prejudiced! Show me an honest, reliable & trustworthy politician & I'll show you a liar.
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