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Message 1207596 - Posted: 18 Mar 2012, 19:51:27 UTC - in response to Message 1207173.  

More broadly Cameron is accepted in enough of the country as being the best of the current options available.
English voters
are not confronted with a long menu of potential prime ministers. The choice is binary. Right now that means choosing between David Cameron and Ed Miliband.

The Labour leader already has severe difficulty persuading voters to take him seriously. Cameron has weaknesses, but he looks confident and comfortable being PM. The trip to visit the Obamas should be seen in those terms. Existing perceptions have been reinforced and Ed Miliband's problems exacerbated.


Cameron is a bland nothingness, but that is just my opinion. Going to the States is usually an attempt to raise profiles. I have totally had it with UK politicians.
US politics is so much more fun.

A lot of people around here will take issue with the red highlighted text.
Bless the Telegraph.

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Message 1207616 - Posted: 18 Mar 2012, 20:40:50 UTC - in response to Message 1207606.  

It is also traditional in UK politics for Governments to get rubbished and bashed mid-term, as we are now. It will polarise in the run up to 2015.


Ok, fair enough. To me, here right now, it is getting increasingly difficult to tell one from the other. Don't get me wrong, I do not wish for radical politics, God forbid.
The present lot, and I mean all of 'em, are hardly inspiring. Dull as dishwater, in fact. And then you have the Welsh Assembly. Useless, powerless, gravy-train riding, with all the hangers on, that do absolutely nothing but supply hot air to Cardiff. The Last Thing Wales Needs is MORE politicians.

Just to fire it up a bit, how about a fantasy election between Margaret Thatcher and Aneurin Bevan.

By the way, no reply on the "red text?"

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Message 1207652 - Posted: 18 Mar 2012, 22:27:03 UTC
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I think what we are seeing here is that the political system as we know it
has had it's day. I really don't think this system works well for the UK now so
time for a different way of doing things. I'd rather see the UK put under a
managed system where those who manage are actually fully qualified to do so.
i.e. he who manages the health system has actually got medical experience. The
same for he who manages the economy...he has actually had hands on experience
in the industry itself. The benefits of the latter would be that the person
managing the economy does so for the benefit of the UK and not for the benefit
for a minor proportion of the electorate that normally gets done so to buy votes.
Added to this a back-up political system to over-see that the managers are doing
the job correctly. This should mean that politicians will need to be qualified
to a certain degree themselves in ability to understand that which they are
over-seeing. This system would ultimately remove, what I consider to be criminal,
the lobbyist sect. Also this system would remove career politicians who seem to
know nothing other than politics itself. So in other words we can remove
politics out from running the UK and put people in who know and can do the job
correctly. Added to this we could also put time constraints on politicians by
limiting their term of duty to a maximum of about 15 years, this may work or it
might not.

As you can guess, I absolutely detest politicians in their role of running
the UK, THEY JUST DO NOT HAVE THE NOUNCE FOR IT.
Prime example, introduce the 50% tax threshold. Told time and time again that
it would not work. It did not work, it did not work because it was politically
motivated to buy votes from the lesser mortals of the UK. So now it's going
to be dropped and most probably going to be replaced by some form of
wealth tax. Well I've heard of "born again Christians" but never of
"born again idiots". These are the kind of stupid policies that only politicians
and possibly " Communists" too could ever dream up. When you start to legislate
away a persons wealth then you know your countries on a downwards spiral. It
just tells you that the politicians have run out of useful ideas on how to
manage the economy. That because the modern economies need new ways to run
them and unqualified politicians are just not up to the job. Unfortunately
the USA is following in our footsteps too.

Solution:- You have to start to vote outside the box...as they say.
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Message 1207654 - Posted: 18 Mar 2012, 22:35:24 UTC - in response to Message 1207596.  


Cameron is a bland nothingness.....


Quite agree. Bring back "Spitting Image" Great program & today's bunch of muppets would make the lot referred to on that show look like "proper" politicians!
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Message 1207679 - Posted: 19 Mar 2012, 0:16:25 UTC
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Think that Cameron should practice what he preaches & do the honourable thing in returning the benefits he received....that is if he really believes in his "Welfare Reform" policy......

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Message 1207712 - Posted: 19 Mar 2012, 1:50:42 UTC

I recon that Cameron's election policy to give each Parliamentary session a fixed 5 year term, and Prime Ministers 2 terms then push off is right. That way the Government will be less manipulative of the economy when they can choose when to call a General Election.
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Message 1207746 - Posted: 19 Mar 2012, 5:23:17 UTC
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Just wondering which party or which prime minister was responsible for that 400% debt explosion?! Although my prime suspicion is it is dual parties job that spanning a decade or two.
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Message 1207780 - Posted: 19 Mar 2012, 10:16:04 UTC - in response to Message 1207746.  
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Just wondering which party or which prime minister was responsible for that 400% debt explosion?! Although my prime suspicion is it is dual parties job that spanning a decade or two.


The Labour Party, under Gordon Brown, was in power until 2010 and were responsible for the UK's public debt explosion. It was Gordon Brown's responsibility for the debt explosion in the public sector, despite the ameliorating effect of his relatively good Chancellor of the Exchequer Alistair Darling.

They did some good things with other peoples money, but this is the second time Labour has nearly bankrupted the country (back in 1976 to 1979).

The Cameron lead coalition Government is the one sorting out the Fiscal mess Labour left, and it will take the best part of 10 years to sort - over 4 years of that has already passed.
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Message 1207820 - Posted: 19 Mar 2012, 14:01:09 UTC - in response to Message 1207780.  
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Just wondering which party or which prime minister was responsible for that 400% debt explosion?! Although my prime suspicion is it is dual parties job that spanning a decade or two.


The Labour Party, under Gordon Brown, was in power until 2010 and were responsible for the UK's public debt explosion. It was Gordon Brown's responsibility for the debt explosion in the public sector, despite the ameliorating effect of his relatively good Chancellor of the Exchequer Alistair Darling.

They did some good things with other peoples money, but this is the second time Labour has nearly bankrupted the country (back in 1976 to 1979).

The Cameron lead coalition Government is the one sorting out the Fiscal mess Labour left, and it will take the best part of 10 years to sort - over 4 years of that has already passed.



Before Gordon Brown the debt was around 300% which seemingly it is systematic joint parties negligenous effort of ballooning the debt to its whatever possible super limit which existing more than 1 or 2 decades.

The interesting thing is americans are crying, shouting, cursing, itching and showing all other side effects of their 100% debt pressures while britains are really peaceful about it although it is 400%.

But now japan has 230% of debt and seemingly eu's new money king germany has even 150% of debt too meaning the Elite debt club has many super members.
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Message 1207824 - Posted: 19 Mar 2012, 14:16:03 UTC - in response to Message 1207789.  
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Ivan died at 6 years old in February 2009, and it is utterly disgraceful that the press and others try to make political capital out of it.



I disagree! If he did that just to see how the "other half" lives, then he should also have stated that he returned the funds as they were not needed. This was not done so one can only assume that he kept the money, in which case, the press were correct in highlighting his duplicity!
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Message 1208008 - Posted: 19 Mar 2012, 19:52:22 UTC
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Every MP sits on at least a couple of Parliament Select Committees in addition to his job as a local MP. It is their job to scrutinise what goes on and make sure that Government is called to account.


To answer just one of your comments against my post, Chris.

The above does not work else the Labour party would not have been able to
get us into debt to the level that they did. No Select Committee called the
Government to account here at the time because none on these select committees
had any understanding as to what was happening.

The system we have does not
work anymore and only suits those who enjoy the cut and thrust involved around
politics. The system is dead on it's feet, it's out dated, it's had it's
good times where it worked. No system ever works for ever all eventually end
up dead on their feet. Those who recognise that the system needs to change
and react accordingly reap the benefits coming form this change earlier than
those who are blind to change and choose to labour along supporting a defunct
system. It took a virtual civil war in England to take away the Kings total
control over this country. Done so because having a monarchy in control stopped
working for the benefit to the country as a whole. Thank god they did wrestle
power away from the Monarchy because this eventually lead the UK as a whole
generating two industrial revolutionist, a feat not repeated by any other nation.
So it's now time for change again because as we all know our current
system is pretty disfunctional. It may hurt people occupied in politics to
have to accept that change is due and that politicians need to be relegated
to the second division somewhat. But I stand on the highest mountain and shout
to the four corners of this Earth, "The UK political system involved in running
this nation has stopped working so time for change and recognise that it is
time for change". America, you will be next to have to change so be brave and
and look for change and take it when it is offered to you...you will not be
disappointed if you do.
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Message 1208272 - Posted: 20 Mar 2012, 22:42:45 UTC
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"New Chief Secretary to the Treasury David Laws has revealed his predecessor left him a note reading: "Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid there is no money. Kind regards - and good luck! Liam"

Mr Laws, speaking alongside Chancellor George Osborne, said he opened the note expecting some advice only to find it was "slightly less helpful".


Yes, utter recklessness and total irresponsibility too. Yet they get away with it
and walk away without a shadow on their conscious. No wonder the bankers show
no regrets over their misdeeds that helped cause the banking crises. How can
you expect the bankers to accept regulations if your government ministers
show scant respect for any form of it. Had the Exchequer been run under a more
independent framework where ministers themselves don't actually hold the cheque
book then getting the state into debt through mismanagement can be avoided.
Ministers unfortunately will not accept this because at times they wish to
over-spend when it's time to curry favour with the electorate normally the
times when a general election is due. I suspect this is what the Labour party
was doing during their term of tenure. The problem some of the electorate would
find, with a more balanced and pragmatical approach to finance, is that the
state would have to cut down on the social budget. Here I would not include
the Health Service but more with the welfare handouts, far too much is given
away and we just can't afford it. Yet whilst politicians hold the purse strings
then this will go on because to change it would inevitably cost that incumbent
government's, who implement the cut's, party votes. So you can see why the
system is in dire need of fundamental and radical change. We can not hope to
go forwards plus be able to mix it with the new rising economies in Asia and
South America unless we match them on their terms. To do this then some in
the UK will have to suffer, namely those who do not produce in wave-shape or
form.
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