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Fireman Sam creator held at Airport | |
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P.C gone mad for sure | |
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Islam is supposed to be all about peace. In all aspects of islamic life Well, it is supposed to be like this as you say. But when Clerics realised that through religion they had great power and control over people they went on to abuse this power. Went on to use this for their own self interests. I think Christianity did this too at one time eons ago....many a perceived witch suffered at the discretion of the local clergy....."duck anyone", whoops! wrong thread?? ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. | |
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P.C gone mad for sure Seems the person mistakenly believed that he had a right to free speech, to the best of my knowledge no such right exists in the UK. Rather bizarrely, even though the European Convention on Human Rights does have such a right, the UK's implementation of the Convention has several exceptions to it, including incitement to religious hatred. I would hope that, had this individual been arrested and charged under that Act, a judge would have thrown it out of court as a frivolous waste of his/her time and charged the prosecution with contempt. To my mind, the issue is not about being "PC", it's about the powers of airport security folks. ____________ I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... | |
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And just what does making a racist comment have to do with airport security? Unless it would be clearly threatening. | |
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Seems the person mistakenly believed that he had a right to free speech, to the best of my knowledge no such right exists in the UK. Well we did have at Hyde Park Corner once on Sundays mornings ..... | |
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P.C gone mad for sure I beg your pardon? The man was making a clear comment on the hyprocisy of the PC Brigade - we have to endure all those security measures while they walk through? Just where on the report is it stated he was inciting hatred? With many like you in the USA, it looks like 9/11 could happen again! ____________ | |
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And what if his religion is new and all men must keep their faces covered with plaid colorings. Perhaps he should investigate how to start his own religion | |
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And what if his religion is new and all men must keep their faces covered with plaid colorings. Perhaps he should investigate how to start his own religion ...then he'll have to wait a 1000 years until the politicians off the day create new laws to protect that religion..at the expense of others as today! ____________ | |
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P.C gone mad for sure Where do I say that this was a case of inciting hatred? By calling a hypothetical charge under the associated act "frivolous"? ____________ I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... | |
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So why mention it in the 1st place when you clearly state that you hope a judge would throw it out if it came to court, thereby agreeing with the thread title? Condescending maybe? ____________ | |
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Before typing a word, I researched the right to free speech in the UK, along the way I found a reference to the European Convention on Human Rights, that, had it been implemented without exceptions in the UK, would have given the individual an unarguable right to make the comments he did. The exception I noted appeared to be one that might have a bearing on the subject in the newspaper article, though as I said, if an arrest had been made under that exception I would hope the judge would charge the prosecution for contempt of court for having brought before him/her such a frivolous case. There seems to me to be no hypocrisy on allowing a veil wearing woman through security, I'm not aware of a rule that states head wear must be removed at all times in the airport security area. Indeed the article notes that there are procedures in place for confirming the identity of veiled women. It does strike me that the airport security staff abused their power, and such abuse is not unique to the UK, there was a thread recently that discussed an abuse of airport security power in the US (here). ____________ I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... | |
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and who decided to bring in a muslim scanner to judge. He said it to a guy matter of factly, then suddenly the Islamic law scholar on duty decided she needed an apology even though she didn't hear what he said first hand and wasn't the person he was talking about. | |
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However, all passengers must show their faces to UK Borders officials when they pass through passport control. Muslim women who wear hijabs can request that their identity is checked by a female immigration officer and they can also ask that they be taken to a private room before they remove their head wear. This statement was clearly issued by UK Boarders Control too to allay any public fears that Muslim woman were permitted to pass through passport control without facial recognition being carried out against their passport photograph. Passing through a scanner is nothing to do with passing through immigration control. So there was no need for any airport staff having to challenge the Muslim woman and request she remove her hijab. David Jones should have realised this and, in this situation, the comment he passed was careless. Being that it would be a Muslim woman wearing this hijab, and not a woman of any other faith, Mr Jones should then have refrained from making an indirect comment to an adornment, through implication, that could ultimately segregate her, by religion, from others. Segregation by religion is one form of racism. Further along in David Jones account of events we come across this statement: We were then joined by a second female security guard who stated that she was Muslim and was deeply distressed by my comment. This statement by this member of the airport staff can be viewed as antagonistic in nature and as such her employers showed lack of due care to David Jones's well-being. Her employers should be taken to task regarding this and the female employee herself should be reprimanded. It should also be noted, if David Jones's account of events is correct, that at no time did he make a direct verbal reference to the term "Muslim". This term was only ever referenced to by the respective company employees involved in the incident. Is the company culpable here, were their respective employees here reacting in-line with their own prejudices against though's they assume to be prejudiced against them. Was David Jones actually being racist, only indirectly. Anyone in for a Fatwah...or stoning? Stones 10 cents Bricks 50 cents Rocks 75 cents Boulders $1 ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. | |
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Islam is supposed to be all about peace. In all aspects of islamic life Indeed Christianity has tried to inflict it's moral standards on those who have chosen other paths to God, but it wasn't eons ago. The Salem witch trials were approximately 320 years ago.And the Scopes monkey trial was less than 100 years ago. ____________ Bob DeWoody | |
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Roe v Wade was only a few decades ago and Prohibition was only 80 or so years ago. It's a wonder we are here at all. We never learn from history | |
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In the last 100 years alone all religions were only cause of most murders, abuses, rapes, robbings next to WWII stats. | |
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I wondered about Islam at one time and got hold of a copy of the Koran with an English translation. I wanted to find out what it said about beating women. It says, in my own translation, that if your woman offends you you must tell her off. If she offends you again then you must tell her off in front of the family. If she offends you yet again you must beat her at a game of tiddlywinks. | |
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They say that Christians will be the minority in th UK by 2030, so I'm wondering, will these be the majority there? | |
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Nah, it is all those Catholics -- oh wait, they are Christian too... | |
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