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Message 1199563 - Posted: 25 Feb 2012, 5:04:00 UTC - in response to Message 1199518.  

I am downloading work, of course it is all for the CPU!!


Figured out the CPU only problem, I had a 5 hour backoff on SETI Nvidia work requests.

Zeroed that out and back to requesting work for the 2 GPU's.

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Message 1199595 - Posted: 25 Feb 2012, 6:47:34 UTC

The question of the day: giving that SAH-assimilators were disabled probably till Monday, is there enough disk space for generating new WUs without deleting old WUs at whole week-end?
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Message 1199598 - Posted: 25 Feb 2012, 6:56:23 UTC - in response to Message 1199595.  

The question of the day: giving that SAH-assimilators were disabled probably till Monday, is there enough disk space for generating new WUs without deleting old WUs at whole week-end?


No, we will go belly up again at 12:25 CET Sunday.
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Message 1199601 - Posted: 25 Feb 2012, 7:01:04 UTC - in response to Message 1199598.  
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The question of the day: giving that SAH-assimilators were disabled probably till Monday, is there enough disk space for generating new WUs without deleting old WUs at whole week-end?


No, we will go belly up again at 12:25 CET Sunday.


That's like 24-hour time so... to me that would be after Sol is high in your sky?

Edit - better give me that in UTC.
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Message 1199620 - Posted: 25 Feb 2012, 8:47:13 UTC - in response to Message 1199601.  

The question of the day: giving that SAH-assimilators were disabled probably till Monday, is there enough disk space for generating new WUs without deleting old WUs at whole week-end?


No, we will go belly up again at 12:25 CET Sunday.


That's like 24-hour time so... to me that would be after Sol is high in your sky?

Edit - better give me that in UTC.

CET is Central European Time. UTC+1. So 11:25 UTC is the prediction.
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Message 1199624 - Posted: 25 Feb 2012, 9:20:22 UTC - in response to Message 1199422.  


Requests for work result in "Project has no tasks avalable" messages, network traffic has just dropped off.
Ready to send is 0, result creation rate is 0. And there's a lot of red & orange on the Server Status page.


See the new post in News. Work production is turned off due to a problem with the new table.

(Hilarity ensues, courtesy of Sten-Arne.)



Well, humour isn't appreciated in the News section obviously. The entire thread got hidden. I have to work on being more serious, and never again crack another joke, or being light hearted.
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Message 1199656 - Posted: 25 Feb 2012, 14:14:09 UTC - in response to Message 1199595.  

Anyones guess..

OTOH I see E@H had a similar problem and cured it be only giving out WU with a expiry duration of 7 days.. According to them this enables them to have a much smaller databse table.. Guess it must be about coffee table sized instead of s@H's banqueting table sized one:-)

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Message 1199668 - Posted: 25 Feb 2012, 15:04:54 UTC - in response to Message 1199624.  

The humor was very much appreciated! I took the thread down because the problem was resolved. I just un-hid it.
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Message 1199671 - Posted: 25 Feb 2012, 15:15:08 UTC

Any news about seti@home using part of the berkeley lab bandwitch?

With so much fast WU (2min on GPU) we still going to have problems, even with the new donated servers.
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Message 1199676 - Posted: 25 Feb 2012, 15:40:04 UTC - in response to Message 1199656.  

Shorter expiration durations has been discussed over the years, and I think it makes sense. It reduces the storage requirements and general hassle, and doesn't impact the bandwidth (in the steady state). One counter argument was that some folks only hook up once per week. Really? Is that still a valid counter? Look at the reduced performance the rest of us are getting, in part as a result. I think centralcommand should try to trim the expiration date as an experiment and measure the benefits. If we lose the once-per-weekers, perhaps they will find one of the other boinc projects as more suitable;(of course I hope there are only a hundred or so such folks.)
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Message 1199686 - Posted: 25 Feb 2012, 16:26:35 UTC

Look folks.........
Anything that disenfranchises anybody for any reason on purpose is just NOT gonna happen here.
They have enough problems right now keeping the able bodied kitties supplied with work.
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Message 1199692 - Posted: 25 Feb 2012, 16:50:46 UTC - in response to Message 1199686.  

Look folks.........
Anything that disenfranchises anybody for any reason on purpose is just NOT gonna happen here.
They have enough problems right now keeping the able bodied kitties supplied with work.

Concur completely, Mark. The thought that willing participants should be forced away solely because their computers are not "recent/state-of-the-art" is abhorant to me, and contrary to the basic premise of the BOINC infrastructure.

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Message 1199708 - Posted: 25 Feb 2012, 17:36:10 UTC

As one who has been in the situation of only being able to connect at random intervals I can honestly say that the short lives offered by some projects are a deterrent to participation.
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Message 1199711 - Posted: 25 Feb 2012, 17:40:02 UTC - in response to Message 1199686.  

Look folks.........
Anything that disenfranchises anybody for any reason on purpose is just NOT gonna happen here.
They have enough problems right now keeping the able bodied kitties supplied with work.

I think NASA would have a tough time keeping you supplied with work! ;)

The issue of cutting off the old and slow by lowering the expiration times is the same argument for cutting off old BOINC clients. "Anyone using a really old version makes me loose 0.00015% of the credit I would otherwise get! So we should set a minimum version." They return good science results so there is no reason they shouldn't keep processing work. Same with the slower processors.

If the longest anyone is taking now is < 5 weeks I wouldn't see an issue from changing the default 6 weeks down to 5. However I bet there are a few machines out there taking 5 weeks and 6.75 days to get though some work.
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Message 1199724 - Posted: 25 Feb 2012, 18:27:18 UTC - in response to Message 1199676.  

... I think central command should try to trim the expiration date as an experiment and measure the benefits. ...


i concur, 60 day expiration dates is ridiculous.

anyone notice results generation is near zero again!!! gab them quick while ya can, project is going down.
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Message 1199731 - Posted: 25 Feb 2012, 19:17:54 UTC - in response to Message 1199724.  

... I think central command should try to trim the expiration date as an experiment and measure the benefits. ...


i concur, 60 day expiration dates is ridiculous.

anyone notice results generation is near zero again!!! gab them quick while ya can, project is going down.

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Message 1199733 - Posted: 25 Feb 2012, 19:24:49 UTC

If it's any indication, I just checked my top rig. Stats here are still turned off, but I used Fred's rescheduler just to sniff the cache.
It's full up......and better news is the GPU cache is only about 1/3 shorties.
So, even if things snap, it's good to go for a day or so anyway.
Not what I should like to see cached, but better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.
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Message 1199739 - Posted: 25 Feb 2012, 19:48:06 UTC - in response to Message 1199733.  

... better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.



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Message 1199772 - Posted: 25 Feb 2012, 21:05:40 UTC - in response to Message 1199692.  
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I dont see that trimming the expiry date would disenfranchise users, even those with 'very' old rigs..

It 'might' mean that 'some' users would have to accept smaller amounts of WU at a time to process, just sufficient to process in the time available.

It might make everyones d/loads easier in fact if smaller amounts were being taken at any one time by people.

Those old and slow machines would still be able to contribute to the job in hand, just that they would'nt be able to hold tons of WU in reserve.

If the present expiry is 6 weeks or more then decreasing to 5 weeks should'nt cause a major problem.

Particularly if it were to be implemented for a trial period to see just what the possible benefits and drawbacks are.

My tuppence worth, since I seem to have started this furball off:-)

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Message 1199788 - Posted: 25 Feb 2012, 21:34:56 UTC - in response to Message 1199724.  

anyone notice results generation is near zero again!!! gab them quick while ya can, project is going down.

Yep it's down but that's because there is over a quarter million ready to send (that will pick up if it drops below that number) and I'm only picking up a few at a time since yesterday as I'm still bouncing off the limits. :)

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