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Angela Send message Joined: 16 Oct 07 Posts: 13130 Credit: 39,854,104 RAC: 31 |
As a 23 year pediatric speech pathologist, I can tell you first hand that expressive vocabulary is not such a great measure of real expressive language skills, from about 19 months well through the preschool and early elementary school years. Expressive vocabulary is a huge indicator of socio-economic background in these children. In children about 8 years old and up, I think all expressive vocabulary measures do is identify who likes to read for pleasure and who does not. If I want to know something about a preschool child's expressive language system, I look at syntax variety and complexity. If I want to know something about an older child's expressive language system, I analyze discourse cohesion. I love words, as you all know, but they do not impress me all that much. Think about it - we go from "wah-wah-wah" at birth to something like "When grandma comes to our house she brings me the green Popsicles, cuz she remembers I like the green ones." (Actual quote from a smart little girl I saw once for some articulation work. She was about four and a half years old at the time.) Now that, my friends, is impressive! |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
As a 23 year pediatric speech pathologist, I can tell you first hand that expressive vocabulary is not such a great measure of real expressive language skills, from about 19 months well through the preschool and early elementary school years. Expressive vocabulary is a huge indicator of socio-economic background in these children. In children about 8 years old and up, I think all expressive vocabulary measures do is identify who likes to read for pleasure and who does not. Very impressive. I've always been amazed at how quickly 4 year olds can train a grandparent. Reality Internet Personality |
Seahawk Send message Joined: 8 Jan 08 Posts: 937 Credit: 8,157,029 RAC: 5 |
Couple years later the only thing you can get out of them is, BFF TTUL LOL. I used to be a cruncher like you, then I took an arrow to the knee. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
ouch... 9,510 |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
ouch... 9,510 Sirius, you must have been trying to answer the French version of this test. I made the same mistake too and only managed to get a score of 6? The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
ouch... 9,510 that must be it then. Need some new glasses, I could've sworn it was the English version I was on.......then again, it could've been the Scottish version.... |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
ouch... 9,510 It couldn't have been the Scottish version for the word "Independence" does not appear in the test sheets... The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19059 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
lolwut ? there is a french version ??? There was, but the French government got it taken down because it had too many non-french words in it ;-) |
Angela Send message Joined: 16 Oct 07 Posts: 13130 Credit: 39,854,104 RAC: 31 |
Very impressive. I've always been amazed at how quickly 4 year olds can train a grandparent. LOL!!! |
John McLeod VII Send message Joined: 15 Jul 99 Posts: 24806 Credit: 790,712 RAC: 0 |
PUBLIC ANNOUCEMENT I am not up for a multi hundred year trip. BOINC WIKI |
Carlos Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 29830 Credit: 57,275,487 RAC: 157 |
Worked for me this time. I expected higher. In law school one of the things my study group did was to choose 10 words each week from the OED that none of us knew and use them for the week. Really helped build vocabulary. But then when was the last time you attended a bacchian soiree. It was actually counter productive. We were being taught how to write legal opinion in layman English. Many of the words are archaic, but one thing I enjoy is study of the evolution of language. English is so rich because of the various invasions, Romans, Saxons, Viking, etc. I enjoy reading old English, it's almost Germanic. Oh where's my ticket to the shuttle. |
Carlos Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 29830 Credit: 57,275,487 RAC: 157 |
As a 23 year pediatric speech pathologist, I can tell you first hand that expressive vocabulary is not such a great measure of real expressive language skills, from about 19 months well through the preschool and early elementary school years. Expressive vocabulary is a huge indicator of socio-economic background in these children. In children about 8 years old and up, I think all expressive vocabulary measures do is identify who likes to read for pleasure and who does not. At the age of 3 my daughter blew me away once. A cashier at the local health food store offered here a lolly pop. She responded, "Yes, I believe I would enjoy one." |
LadyL Send message Joined: 14 Sep 11 Posts: 1679 Credit: 5,230,097 RAC: 0 |
30,200 - and I'm not a native speaker. |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
30,200 - and I'm not a native speaker. I don't speak any of the native American languages either. In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
Carlos Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 29830 Credit: 57,275,487 RAC: 157 |
I speak Double Dutch and Fluent Rubbish. It's all Greek to me. |
LadyL Send message Joined: 14 Sep 11 Posts: 1679 Credit: 5,230,097 RAC: 0 |
30,200 - and I'm not a native speaker. That would be some rare luck, if anybody here did. Now I'd like to know how many words I know in my other languages :D |
John McLeod VII Send message Joined: 15 Jul 99 Posts: 24806 Credit: 790,712 RAC: 0 |
30,200 - and I'm not a native speaker. I know a few words (total) of a handful of Native American languages. I grew up in an area that non-transplanted Native Americans, and the anthropology uses some words from their culture to describe objects of theirs. Be warned, however, that other non-English words in the same context are Spanish, not either Tiwa, Tewa, Towa, Keresan, Hopi, or Navajo. BOINC WIKI |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65745 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Lets see I speak Basic, A8, ST, Amiga, PC and English... The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
John McLeod VII Send message Joined: 15 Jul 99 Posts: 24806 Credit: 790,712 RAC: 0 |
Some men only need 7 Please expand the first half of the sentence. It must be a bit of slang that I am not familiar with. BOINC WIKI |
John McLeod VII Send message Joined: 15 Jul 99 Posts: 24806 Credit: 790,712 RAC: 0 |
Lets see I speak Basic, ST, Amiga, PC and English... Sigh. C, C++, C#, Basic, Pascal, Modula II, Algol, APL, functional, ... [edit] Forgot my newest additions: HTML and Java Script. BOINC WIKI |
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