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Message 1297868 - Posted: 22 Oct 2012, 12:42:35 UTC - in response to Message 1297791.

Didn't realise that there were any CND dinosaurs left....

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Nice start to the independence movement......

"He said the loss of Faslane would leave a large hole in Scotland's economy with the loss of 6,000 jobs and associated economic benefits."
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Message 1297874 - Posted: 22 Oct 2012, 13:32:48 UTC

You might not agree with them politically, but there is no need to be rude about it.

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Message 1297876 - Posted: 22 Oct 2012, 13:48:21 UTC - in response to Message 1297874.

Politics has nothing to do with it. Peaceniks want the freedom to do what they like, constantly forgetting that the freedom they have was paid for.

Also, Scottish mnisters are being hypocritical - No nukes but want to be part of NATO which is a nuclear backed force...... in other words... NIMBY's!

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Message 1297895 - Posted: 22 Oct 2012, 15:32:24 UTC - in response to Message 1297868.

Didn't realise that there were any CND dinosaurs left....

Faslane Base

Nice start to the independence movement......

"He said the loss of Faslane would leave a large hole in Scotland's economy with the loss of 6,000 jobs and associated economic benefits."

Well, the loss of jobs is actually nearer 14,000 when peripherals are taken
into consideration. To me, since the situation of independence for Scotland
will always be an issue, even after a vote of NO, should in my mind give the
UK government all the reasons necessary to move this installation elsewhere.
To Wales would be fine since they could do with a boost to jobs by 14,000.

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Message 1298017 - Posted: 23 Oct 2012, 0:00:00 UTC - in response to Message 1297845.

Not move back to, but move to Hev ...

John, I am part of the Scottish diaspora, I was born in Edinburgh.

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Message 1298026 - Posted: 23 Oct 2012, 0:26:18 UTC - in response to Message 1298017.

Not move back to, but move to Hev ...

John, I am part of the Scottish diaspora, I was born in Edinburgh.


Born in Darjeeling, but still a Cornish East Coast Scot. Went to school at Johnshaven, between Aberdeen and Montrose. Can I vote?
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Message 1298037 - Posted: 23 Oct 2012, 0:38:53 UTC - in response to Message 1298026.

Not move back to, but move to Hev ...

John, I am part of the Scottish diaspora, I was born in Edinburgh.


Born in Darjeeling, but still a Cornish East Coast Scot. Went to school at Johnshaven, between Aberdeen and Montrose. Can I vote?

We can both vote in the referendum if we move back to Scotland and are living there, but then so can anyone living in Scotland at the time. I did check to see if I could vote from afar.

Does being born in Darjeeling give you another nationality? You can never have too many passports as far as I'm concerned.

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Message 1298041 - Posted: 23 Oct 2012, 0:52:26 UTC - in response to Message 1298037.

You can never have too many passports as far as I'm concerned.



Ooops, better inform Logan he's got a runner.
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Message 1298189 - Posted: 23 Oct 2012, 12:30:26 UTC

Ah that's 2 numpty's gone......

MSP's resign

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Message 1298199 - Posted: 23 Oct 2012, 13:19:17 UTC - in response to Message 1298189.

Ah that's 2 numpty's gone......

MSP's resign

Anymore for the Skylark?

Well, my earlier post say much about this..

Now Salmon wants the SNP to overturn it's traditional anti-Nato stance...
...why's that Alex??. How can one be anti-Nato when part of the UK but
pro-Nato when your out of the UK. Alex, your a right D-head !!


Seems like two MSP's agreed with me too, here. They must be reading our threads
up there in Scotland?

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Message 1299357 - Posted: 27 Oct 2012, 12:45:14 UTC

Hmmn, looks like the Jocks have mislayed their paperwork....

Law officers approved documents

hmmn, it seems the EU has got it wrong then when they stated that an independent new sovereign state would require a formal application to join.

Hey Alex, you've been at the Johnny Walker's again!
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Message 1300145 - Posted: 29 Oct 2012, 7:20:17 UTC

I don't see what they would gain by being "independent" It's still one relatively small island containing three states (sort of). Would Scotland form it's own Army, Navy and Air Force? Would it go out and seek alliances and form treaties with other nations? Would they close their borders with England and require Visas and passports? Would they increase taxes on their citizens to pay for having their own independent government? To me Scotland is to Great Britain as Puerto Rico is to the United States in some ways. Puerto Rico gets the benefit of protection from the USA but they are virtually an independent nation. Scotland is regarded world wide as an entity unto itself culturaly but has the benefit of the security afforded by being part of the United Kingdom. An independent Scotland would only benefit those who manage to become the leaders and no one else.
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Message 1300156 - Posted: 29 Oct 2012, 8:47:14 UTC

That's a good post Bob and essentially correct. What the Scottish National Party basically wants is 100% home rule, but more in a political sense than anything else. Border posts and passports, and separate armed forces are just not practical. Scottish activists have been banging on about this for decades.

At the moment the SNP has a resurgence in popularity that comes and goes, and they have managed to push for a vote. When they lose the vote it will all die down again until the next time. They will probably get some more devolved powers from Westminster to Holyrood out of it though.

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Message 1300402 - Posted: 30 Oct 2012, 0:20:19 UTC

I think that's their objective, more devolved power ...
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Message 1301730 - Posted: 3 Nov 2012, 17:06:17 UTC - in response to Message 1300402.

I think that's their objective, more devolved power ...

Most probably is their reason too. Yet to be given more powers, above and
beyond those of Northern Ireland, Wales and England, should mean that Scotland
should have less say in these other countries affairs. If not, Scotland could
end up in a position of autonomy to such an extent that it could become the
ruling country of the whole of the UK if it's powers at Westminster are not
appropriately curbed....food for thought.



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Message 1301777 - Posted: 3 Nov 2012, 18:56:15 UTC
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I agree

Scotland could have total devolved powers (tax raising, etc) and still remain in the Union.

If they did, then the transfer of the Westminster block grant would either finish or be reduced almost totally. That is except for an interim time when the Tax raising powers kick in and they get the tax money in.

For additional devolved powers the elections to Westminster would remain, and Scottish MPs could vote. But, for votes which only affect England all the Scottish MPs should be banned from a vote. Any found to have voted will be suspended for 2 months.

The exceptions to devolved power would be interest rates, the armed forces, and foreign policy - just like now.
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Message 1302048 - Posted: 4 Nov 2012, 12:04:14 UTC

Alex if this commences, you're on your own as it is in ENGLAND, so we won't need your North Sea Gas!

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Message 1302056 - Posted: 4 Nov 2012, 12:45:50 UTC

North Sea Oil

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Message 1302063 - Posted: 4 Nov 2012, 12:57:48 UTC - in response to Message 1302056.

North Sea Oil



and the reference is......?
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Message 1302117 - Posted: 4 Nov 2012, 15:31:34 UTC

You really are being contrary this weekend. That was some background for others not of UK origin, to understand why Scotland considers North Sea oil and gas to be theirs. Seti is an International Forum, not a personal UK playground.

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