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Message 1194330 - Posted: 12 Feb 2012, 14:33:43 UTC

So far... But how far can they screw down an embargo or blockade?


Up until the oil starts to flow and the Islanders start to spend their share
of this oil revenue. You'll see the other countries involved in this embargo
give up on Argentina and come running with their goods and services to offer.
Once the revenue starts to pour in watch the island start to develop it's
infrastructure. Who will not get a look-in, Argentina of course...as Dell-boy
would say, "What a bunch of plonkers"....


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Message 1195637 - Posted: 15 Feb 2012, 17:30:51 UTC

I bet this won't half rattle their cage.

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Tough ....

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Message 1195747 - Posted: 15 Feb 2012, 20:12:02 UTC

Good!

It deserves rattling.
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Message 1196336 - Posted: 17 Feb 2012, 14:19:04 UTC

This is interesting! The Royal Navy ships that were sunk in 1982 were hit by French supplied Exocet missiles.

Should the Falklands erupt once more, will the French stick to their bilateral agreement or will they put $$$$$$ 1st & resupply Argentina?

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Message 1196349 - Posted: 17 Feb 2012, 15:17:23 UTC
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Er Sirius, you need to be aware of all the facts.

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There are other unsubstantiated reports that France didn't supply launch codes until 6 months after their delivery.

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Message 1196355 - Posted: 17 Feb 2012, 15:36:28 UTC - in response to Message 1196349.

Er Sirius, you need to be aware of all the facts.

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There are other unsubstantiated reports that France didn't supply launch codes until 6 months after their delivery.


Beg your pardon, but France did supply Argentina with exocets & it was only because they didn't want the UK as an enemy that they provided assistance.

also Argentina was running low on exocets & went to France for further supplies, but by then that France/UK agreement & secret intelligence was in force. If it hadn't I'm pretty sure the conflict would have had a different outcome.
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Message 1196365 - Posted: 17 Feb 2012, 16:25:47 UTC
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Why should it have had a different outcome. The equipment captured from the Argentinian soldiers at Goose Green, in the main part, was better and of newer design that that used by the para's.

In the air the Harrier was and is a close ground support aircraft, as can be seen as it is prefered aircraft of the American Marines, not a fighter yet they still managed to take out several enemy aircraft.

It is not about equipment it is about the men and their training. Is there anything to suggest the Argentinians have improved since.

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Message 1196381 - Posted: 17 Feb 2012, 17:04:52 UTC - in response to Message 1196365.

Why should it have had a different outcome. The equipment captured from the Argentinian soldiers at Goose Green, in the main part, was better and of newer design that that used by the para's.

In the air the Harrier was and is a close ground support aircraft, as can be seen as it is prefered aircraft of the American Marines, not a fighter yet they still managed to take out several enemy aircraft.

It is not about equipment it is about the men and their training. Is there anything to suggest the Argentinians have improved since.


It would have been different as many more RN ships would have been sunk had Argentina had a resupply of exocets. Even the RN themselves said that.

Therefore, the troops on the ground would have ran short of supplies & had the carrier been hit, the harriers would have been useless....or would they have been able to fly in the air on air rather than fuel?
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Message 1196412 - Posted: 17 Feb 2012, 19:11:42 UTC - in response to Message 1196381.

Being short of munitions, in short and at the beginning of longer conficts is commonplace ever since the use of throwing weapons. So that just shows bad planning or arrogance as the Argentinians started it.

And I don't think that any actions so far by the British is stirring the pot. Go back and read the news reports before the last election in Argentina, I think you will find out who is relly stirring the pot.

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Message 1196423 - Posted: 17 Feb 2012, 19:35:51 UTC - in response to Message 1196349.

Er Sirius, you need to be aware of all the facts.

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There are other unsubstantiated reports that France didn't supply launch codes until 6 months after their delivery.


Well done France and as usual America get it wrong on Foreign policy...



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Message 1196441 - Posted: 17 Feb 2012, 20:33:40 UTC

I see a yank has got in on the act....Shame he's a useless actor.....

Sean Penn dives in head 1st - or should that be Ass 1st?

A good history of the Falklands War...

Falklands War

What a former British Officer thinks of it.....

Colonel Tim Collins' view
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Message 1196479 - Posted: 17 Feb 2012, 22:14:11 UTC

This thread title should actually read ...


Is Argentina trying to stir the pot over the Falkland Islands?


Look at the rhetoric as reported and when it started (by Argentina).
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Message 1196756 - Posted: 18 Feb 2012, 8:18:23 UTC - in response to Message 1196479.

This thread title should actually read ...


Is Argentina trying to stir the pot over the Falkland Islands?


Look at the rhetoric as reported and when it started (by Argentina).

I agree. I think the UK got wind that Argentina were planning something, another invasion maybe, so bolstered their defenses. They also sent a royal celebrity down there to make everyone look at the Falklands and to sway Argentina from mounting another sneaky attack.

We'll never know if such an attack was thwarted, but Argentina, feeling a bit frustrated, may have decided to attack with words instead. All they can really do with the Brits on guard...

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Message 1196762 - Posted: 18 Feb 2012, 8:44:20 UTC

The thing about the Argentinians getting upset about sending a prince and a newer ship down there is a little absurd.

If you had a newly qualified person, which as you know usually means they think they now know all there is about it, where would you send them for some real training? The Mediterranean or the Southern Atlantic?

And do they really think that the Royal Navy, is going to keep old warships down there, when they have newer ones.

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Message 1197233 - Posted: 19 Feb 2012, 9:57:50 UTC

Politicians never learn from history. Through their dithering, self inflated egos, & schoolboyish statesmanship/oneupmanship leading to wars because they don't want to lose face.

They never listen to the people who have to fight those wars.......

"Sandy" Woodward - Naval Task Force Commander Falklands 1982
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Message 1197238 - Posted: 19 Feb 2012, 11:12:22 UTC - in response to Message 1197233.

Politicians never learn from history. Through their dithering, self inflated egos, & schoolboyish statesmanship/oneupmanship leading to wars because they don't want to lose face.

They never listen to the people who have to fight those wars.......

"Sandy" Woodward - Naval Task Force Commander Falklands 1982

Nice one, liked the comments about politicians.

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Message 1197331 - Posted: 19 Feb 2012, 16:48:34 UTC - in response to Message 1196441.
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I see a yank has got in on the act....Shame he's a useless actor.....

Sean Penn dives in head 1st - or should that be Ass 1st?


Actor "condemned" for expressing opinion on a political matter. MP expresses opinion on movies and is not. Interesting.
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Message 1197334 - Posted: 19 Feb 2012, 16:55:12 UTC - in response to Message 1197331.

I see a yank has got in on the act....Shame he's a useless actor.....

Sean Penn dives in head 1st - or should that be Ass 1st?


Actor "condemned" for expressing opinion on a political matter. MP expresses opinion on movies and is not. Interesting.



Interesting? Really? Please enlighten us.....
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Message 1197352 - Posted: 19 Feb 2012, 17:28:51 UTC
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While we are anxiously awaiting Bobby's reply with baited breath, a word from our sponsor.

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Message 1198025 - Posted: 20 Feb 2012, 22:51:36 UTC - in response to Message 1197352.

While we are anxiously awaiting Bobby's reply with baited breath, a word from our sponsor.

Full stop, end of story


Do you consider the PM or the Telegraph your sponsor?

As for the anxiety, little I can do to help you with that. Not sure I can help enlighten you or Sirius on why I used the word "interesting" in my previous post, I thought the double standard I highlighted was fairly self evident.
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