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Message 1191934 - Posted: 6 Feb 2012, 10:36:32 UTC

Don't forget that that apart from there possibly being oil down there, the islands have generally been seen as being of strategic military significance due to their location. The British navy used that ability to help clear the South Atlantic of German warships during WWII.

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Message 1191978 - Posted: 6 Feb 2012, 15:30:13 UTC - in response to Message 1191922.

Perhaps she feels she's still potential president material, unfortunately girl the American population don't actually think this of you.


Somebody really ought to let the Americans know this is how they feel:

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Message 1192080 - Posted: 6 Feb 2012, 22:06:52 UTC - in response to Message 1191934.

Indeed and the UK needs them for that reason, defend the world from German commerce raiders for sure.


Don't forget that that apart from there possibly being oil down there, the islands have generally been seen as being of strategic military significance due to their location. The British navy used that ability to help clear the South Atlantic of German warships during WWII.


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Message 1192112 - Posted: 6 Feb 2012, 23:46:44 UTC

Indeed and the UK needs them for that reason, defend the world from German commerce raiders for sure.


C'mon Barry you can do better than that .... that was just silly.

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Message 1192175 - Posted: 7 Feb 2012, 8:03:20 UTC - in response to Message 1192080.
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Indeed and the UK needs them for that reason, defend the world from German commerce raiders for sure.



By the way Barry, WWII is now over, it ended some 60 odd years ago. The Germans
abilities in commerce are much admired by us British, It's just a shame that the
French don't see the Germans in the same good light here as we do.
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Message 1192405 - Posted: 8 Feb 2012, 10:12:33 UTC

I think Barry was somehow trying to suggest that we didn't need them these days to deal with German financial matters in Europe.

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In taking a complaint to the UN the Argentine side knows that Britain, as a permanent member of the Security Council, can ultimately veto any critical resolution.

Before the speech there had been speculation that Ms Fernandez might signal an end to the important air link between Chile and the Falklands which must use Argentine air space - a move that would have created significant practical difficulties for the islanders.

That she chose not to, illustrates that Argentine tactics are not about achieving any kind of immediate practical effect, but are focused instead on a longer-term campaign of diplomatic attrition.


For which read Sabre rattling.

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Message 1192418 - Posted: 8 Feb 2012, 10:54:44 UTC

Argentinan UN Appeal

From the BBC link above....

"She asked UK Prime Minister David Cameron "to give peace a chance"."

From the Virgin News link....

"this militarisation of the South Atlantic" because it was a region where "peace reigns".

So the events of 1982 did not happen then? Peace reigned back then?

So 904 military personnel didn't die?

Objecting over Prince William's military service? What would their reply had been if Prince Andrew's helicopter had been shot down?
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Message 1192425 - Posted: 8 Feb 2012, 11:36:42 UTC
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Objecting over Prince William's military service? What would their reply had been if Prince Andrew's helicopter had been shot down?


They are simply using Prince William for propaganda purposes. At present he is a qualified co-pilot, and to qualify as a full pilot he has to undergo his final training in the most adverse conditions to be able to cope with the worst that UK winters could throw at him back home.

Therefore it is standard procedure to send people to the Falklands where they have the ideal conditions for that training. He would have known of his eventual deployment a couple of years ago, and it was reported at the time that Kate was unhappy about it so soon in their marriage. Whether or not it should have been deferred given current circumstances is another matter.

Prince Andrew would have been a prime target for capture in 1982, as indeed Prince Harry was in Afghanistan a couple of years ago, and as any Royal would be. But the MOD would not have countenanced any of their deployments unless they were fully satisfied that their safety was no less than any other serving Officer.

Argentina has been ramping up making noises about wanting the Malvinas back, with plenty of rumours about them considering future military action. Is it therefore any surprise that the UK is sending a Nuclear sub and a top end warship down there to warn them off? And the fact that William is currently there is likely an extra factor.

Of course Argentina will call it all provocative, they would wouldn't they?

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Message 1192483 - Posted: 8 Feb 2012, 13:51:23 UTC - in response to Message 1192425.

I liked how they would have preferred him in civies. I bet you would. I don't see the threat. If the Argentinians aren't being aggressive about the Falklands then they have nothing to worry about with a warship coming there. As if 1 warship were a national threat to anyone.
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Message 1192566 - Posted: 8 Feb 2012, 18:28:14 UTC
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As it stands, Argentina will get no where with their continual claims of
ownership of the Falklands. Yet Kirchner will end up starving the Argentinian's
of hundreds of million of dollars from the revenue to be gained if they became
the major processor of the oil around the Falklands. Some other country will
get that money. So when the job of processing the oil comes up for grabs
see Argentina loose some of it's support from it's neighbours, Chile most
probably or possibly Brazil.
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Message 1192805 - Posted: 9 Feb 2012, 12:16:15 UTC

If they don't stop their moaning we'll send Prince Harry down there as well to sort them out. That'll really get 'em uptight!

All together lads ....

"We'll put the Aaaargh in Argentina!"

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Message 1192873 - Posted: 9 Feb 2012, 16:40:19 UTC - in response to Message 1192805.

Naw, as the Jocks want independance, send in "Jockey" Wilson. He'll keep hitting "Bulleyes" so there'll be no need of the British Army to mobilise.
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Message 1193399 - Posted: 10 Feb 2012, 22:09:51 UTC
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UN chief Ban Ki-moon has called on Argentina and the UK to avoid an "escalation" in tensions over the disputed Falkland Islands.

Well he would do, that's what he's paid for.

The UK has not confirmed or denied reports of a submarine off the Falklands

The MOD never comments upon the operational deployment of its armed forces.

Our reporter says there is a fair bit of sympathy at the UN headquarters for Argentina's position that the Falklands are a British colonial holdover.

There is one answer to that and it rhymes with things you put your oars in.

It seems that Argentina is having another hot flush....

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Message 1193402 - Posted: 10 Feb 2012, 22:14:49 UTC

"Mr Timerman showed slides of the region which pinpointed the UK naval bases, saying: "Great Britain is the largest military presence in the South Atlantic, controlling access to the Pacific and Indian Oceans."

You sure of that Mr Timerman? I'm pretty certain that the US Navy can dispute that statement!
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Message 1193411 - Posted: 10 Feb 2012, 22:33:06 UTC - in response to Message 1193402.

"Mr Timerman showed slides of the region which pinpointed the UK naval bases, saying: "Great Britain is the largest military presence in the South Atlantic, controlling access to the Pacific and Indian Oceans."

You sure of that Mr Timerman? I'm pretty certain that the US Navy can dispute that statement!

Mr Timerman meant that statement for the hour he said it. Once one of the US Indian Ocean task forces heads back into their Atlantic port ...

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Message 1193413 - Posted: 10 Feb 2012, 22:34:10 UTC

Such increase in naval power showed the Falklands was the "last refuge of a declining empire", he said.

Now that is pretty pathetic even for Argentinian standards, which aren't much to talk about in the first place.

Argentina ranks 105th out of 178 countries in the Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index for 2010. Reported problems include both government and private-sector corruption, the latter of which include money laundering, trafficking in narcotics and contraband, and tax evasion.

Yep, we'd love them to run the Falklands ....

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Message 1193452 - Posted: 11 Feb 2012, 0:27:27 UTC
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Our reporter says there is a fair bit of sympathy at the UN headquarters for Argentina's position that the Falklands are a British colonial holdover.


The UN would not see it this way had it been America and not the UK in dispute
over the Falklands. How long then before they tell Guernsey that it now
belongs to France again irrespective of how the Guernsey people feel about it.
How about handing Australia back to it's original inhabitants namely the
Aborigines and New Zealand back to the Maoris all taken as part and parcel
of British Colonialism. All in all then it's pretty clear that the strongest
argument Argentina can come up with is, "A colonial holdover" and the best
the UN can come up with is a sympathetic nod knowing full well that the UK
does actually hold full legal rights to the Falklands. And as for Mun-ki Moon
time he got himself a proper job of work to do.
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Message 1193783 - Posted: 11 Feb 2012, 10:44:22 UTC

Jeebers, what planet do the Argies think their on? Demanding their enemy tells them what weapons they have? sheeesh.....

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Message 1193787 - Posted: 11 Feb 2012, 10:58:21 UTC
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It's just blustering nothing more, it's the only response they have. The TEZ of 200 miles is still there as far as I know, but they claim it covers International waters. Although the UK never formally declared war upon Argentina, it was rightly declared in a wartime situation, I don't know what legality it has in "peacetime".

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Message 1194321 - Posted: 12 Feb 2012, 13:47:22 UTC - in response to Message 1193787.

It's just blustering nothing more, it's the only response they have. ...

So far... But how far can they screw down an embargo or blockade?


Falkland Islands: A shortage of eggs

... "Have you been hit by the egg shortage?"...


All a game to keep unpopular Argentine politicians in power a little longer? Just as was the case with General Galtieri(sp?)?


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