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Message 1214685 - Posted: 6 Apr 2012, 17:48:42 UTC - in response to Message 1214671.  

Matt, I would really appreciate it if you could confine your comments to somewhere around the title of this thread. Anywhere in South America would be more appropriate than Israel. I can't ask more nicely than that now can I?


No problem with that at all. That is where I started in fact talking about Britain trying to draw the US into its Argentine wars. But I do keep getting distracted by people who want to go some place else with my posts.

I agree I do not play well with others. Known that since kindergarten.


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Message 1214690 - Posted: 6 Apr 2012, 17:57:21 UTC - in response to Message 1214676.  


A cursory search of the races will uncover Mongoloid, Negroid, Caucasoid, Amerind, Australoid and three different ones in sub-Saharan Africa. One will not uncover Jewisoid.


The exact same can be said for Americans!

I lay odds on that should a large oilfield be found within the Falklands area, they would assist Britain PDQ as they would prefer the oilfields in British hands rather than Argentinian!


As I think we were saying the only "american" race would be Amerind or Amerindian depending upon one's taste in grammar.

Myself I think it all quite simple. Hold a referendum on the Falklands as to which country they wish to belong to including independence as a third option. Also hold the same referendum in Scotland and north Ireland and a few other places like Bermuda.

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Message 1214704 - Posted: 6 Apr 2012, 18:28:47 UTC - in response to Message 1214690.  

Hold a referendum on the Falklands as to which country they wish to belong to including independence as a third option.


Continuing on the Argintina/British issue of the Falklands ...

The inhabitants of the Falklands (the current indigenous people) have had many referenda and have always expressed the wish to remain a British protectorate.

Regarding the claim Argintina has this is far younger than the British involvements with these islands, and their claims are based on from before Argintina existed and they belonge to Spain.
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Message 1214744 - Posted: 6 Apr 2012, 20:00:58 UTC - in response to Message 1214704.  

So the Argentine should first hold a referendum on returning to Spanish control.




Regarding the claim Argintina has this is far younger than the British involvements with these islands, and their claims are based on from before Argintina existed and they belonge to Spain.


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Message 1214756 - Posted: 6 Apr 2012, 20:47:51 UTC - in response to Message 1214744.  

So the Argentine should first hold a referendum on returning to Spanish control.

Regarding the claim Argintina has this is far younger than the British involvements with these islands, and their claims are based on from before Argintina existed and they belonge to Spain.


I said that if there is to be a war over who rules the islands the islanders should have the only opinion that matters.
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Message 1214768 - Posted: 6 Apr 2012, 21:13:37 UTC - in response to Message 1214756.  

So the Argentine should first hold a referendum on returning to Spanish control.

Regarding the claim Argintina has this is far younger than the British involvements with these islands, and their claims are based on from before Argintina existed and they belonge to Spain.


I said that if there is to be a war over who rules the islands the islanders should have the only opinion that matters.


You're 30 years too late! There was a war & the Brits won. The islanders have stated that they wish to remain British. That should be good enough or are you going to dispute that fact?
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Message 1214795 - Posted: 6 Apr 2012, 22:02:01 UTC

my understanding was that after last war the consensus among the locals was along the lines of

"Huh? uh yeah whatever dude".
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Message 1214814 - Posted: 6 Apr 2012, 22:23:36 UTC - in response to Message 1214797.  

Hiyah Soft,

Could you say where you got that understanding from?



word of mouth. it was definately pre-internet.
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Message 1215057 - Posted: 7 Apr 2012, 9:36:37 UTC - in response to Message 1215031.  
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OK thanks.

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Both links show that Argentina claims to respect the rights of the local population to determine who they want to ally themselves with, in line with other countries, but in the case of the Falklands "as it is ours".

"My principle is the same as yours, but for the case of the Falklands it is different as it affects us".
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Message 1215658 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 15:13:50 UTC - in response to Message 1214768.  

So the Argentine should first hold a referendum on returning to Spanish control.

Regarding the claim Argintina has this is far younger than the British involvements with these islands, and their claims are based on from before Argintina existed and they belonge to Spain.


I said that if there is to be a war over who rules the islands the islanders should have the only opinion that matters.


You're 30 years too late! There was a war & the Brits won. The islanders have stated that they wish to remain British. That should be good enough or are you going to dispute that fact?


30 years ago it was invalidated by war. As to "stating" I know of no way to do that other than a secret ballot referendum. A few years after WWII all civilized nations abjured the right of rule by conquest without regard to who could be successfully blamed for starting it.
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Message 1215660 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 15:15:36 UTC - in response to Message 1214814.  

Hiyah Soft,

Could you say where you got that understanding from?



word of mouth. it was definately pre-internet.


Without provenance it is rumor at best and propaganda at worst.
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Message 1215739 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 18:45:42 UTC - in response to Message 1215694.  

Just watched a documentary called Falklands Combat Medics which was a cool history. But little bit wondering that had british medics really saved hundreds of wounded argentinian soldiers lives in their fields hospital?! Because usually war covering documentaries are one sided.

But that hospital doctor Rick Jolly got something medal OBE plus argentinian equal medal too so that is something.


Yes, quite true. Our medics, military & civil don't care what one's nationality is - wounded? Then get you medical aid.
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Message 1216084 - Posted: 9 Apr 2012, 11:08:39 UTC
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The main advantage of international forum is not being single sided so other hidden truths to be revealed and learnt by international members. So better try to keep the rare advantage!!
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Message 1217578 - Posted: 13 Apr 2012, 7:22:24 UTC

So they are not satified upsetting the UK, now they start on Spanish company.

Argentina poised to seize Repsol assets
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Message 1217712 - Posted: 13 Apr 2012, 17:41:35 UTC - in response to Message 1217578.  

So they are not satified upsetting the UK, now they start on Spanish company.

Argentina poised to seize Repsol assets

Good old Spanish doing a bit of serious sabre rattling telling the Argies to
naff-off or get a clip around the ear. I think this ploy of yours, Argentina, may
well back fire on you..


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Message 1217779 - Posted: 13 Apr 2012, 19:55:52 UTC - in response to Message 1217578.  

Hmm, you'd think it would be the other way round. On the logic the Argentinian government is using regarding the Falklands, Argentina would be a Spanish colony.


So they are not satified upsetting the UK, now they start on Spanish company.

Argentina poised to seize Repsol assets

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Message 1219561 - Posted: 17 Apr 2012, 10:14:29 UTC

YPF Repsol: Spain warns Argentina of strong response

Promising a "clear and overwhelming" response, the government summoned the Argentine ambassador to Madrid to express its concern.

In diplomatic language that is serious, although the post meeting statements might not sound like it.

Earlier, Spanish Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo said the "climate of friendship" between the two countries had been broken.
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Message 1219613 - Posted: 17 Apr 2012, 14:34:54 UTC

At first glance it seems that the Argentine forces would put a hurting on Spain. Being as the supply route is almost as long as Englands was to the Falkands. But I googled both countries naval forces and Spain cleary has the lead in ships. All though the aircraft carries have Harriers.
I also googled Argentine air forces. I was suprised that they have hardly anything. Old migrage aircraft, and some rebuilt American skyhawk ground attack planes. And not many of either.

Hopefully the sabre rattling will stop and they can work something out.
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Message 1222837 - Posted: 24 Apr 2012, 19:50:31 UTC

I see Argentina's credit rating has gone -ve due to the Repsol grab.

Also Repsol will take legal action against anyone investing in YPF the Argentinian oil company that is to develope the shale oil fileds that Repsol discovered.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/9222393/Standard-and-Poors-puts-Argentina-on-negative-watch-over-YPF-nationalisation-plan.html
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Message 1226173 - Posted: 2 May 2012, 13:06:27 UTC

The only Winners are the people who supply the weapons the people of the world die for no good reason, most hate killing other human's but are forced into it by corrupt one.
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