Depends upon what views you choose to read. And they don't have

idiots in Whitehall

what they do have is people that you wish to disagree with.

Political view Relating to Whitehall or the Baghdad Broadcasting Compnay?

Military view

I prefer a more reliable source.

CNN

"We support the Falklands' right to self-determination, and what the Argentinians have been saying recently I would argue is actually far more like colonialism, because these people want to remain British, and the Argentinians want them to do something else," he told lawmakers this year.

So far, that's +2 for Del-Boy.

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Sirius B, I think you will find your comments about the BBC are out of step with about 90% of the world. Usually it is more accurate and faster at reporting thn most other news orgnistions.

And if you think CNN is better than I honestly feel sorry for you, you realy are a mixed up kid.

Sirius B, I think you will find your comments about the BBC are out of step with about 90% of the world. Usually it is more accurate and faster at reporting thn most other news orgnistions.

And if you think CNN is better than I honestly feel sorry for you, you realy are a mixed up kid.

Most Intelligence Services do not rely on just a single source of information.

As for the BBC, I agree, they are more accurate & faster. I just dislike their biased views.

There's also Reuters & many more like them.

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Foreigners are always trying to drag the US into their wars. As dual loyalties can be purchased from Congressrats that it often successful.

Afghani's dragged the US into war? Iraqi's dragged the US into war? Really?

Post some links that prove that!

In the first Falklands war Britain did try to get the US involved on its side. The US even stopped the call for NATO involvement.

As was astutely observed the only people calling for the US to start the first Gulf war were Israel and it amen corner in Congress. It was the same with the conquest of Iraq. It is now the same for war on Iran.

The purpose is of course to make it impossible for Iran to avoid war. The most recent example comes from Hilary demand Iran prove a negative that it does not have a nuclear weapons program. The lies about Iran's supposed nuclear weapons program are coming from the same source as the lies about Iraq's non-existent nuclear weapons program. (Hint: the same source that is presently murdering Iranian civilians.)

I know more than 70% of Americans believe Iraq had such a program despite the fact there is zero evidence of it. Think never underestimating the American electorate.

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The origin of the Yahweh Cult

Most Intelligence Services do not rely on just a single source of information.

I would remind you intelligence services do not speak directly to the public. Whatever we know about what they know comes from political sources. In only the rarest of cases will an intelligence service publicly contradict a politician.

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In the first Falklands war Britain did try to get the US involved on its side.

And they did, re-routing satellites so we could have up to date images and supplied the latest version of the sidewinder.

"As was astutely observed the only people calling for the US to start the first Gulf war were Israel and it amen corner in Congress. It was the same with the conquest of Iraq. It is now the same for war on Iran.

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Amazing ability to re-write history.

Seems to me I recall Kuwait asking for help. Remember Kuwait? Are they Isreal now too?

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Janice

"As was astutely observed the only people calling for the US to start the first Gulf war were Israel and it amen corner in Congress. It was the same with the conquest of Iraq. It is now the same for war on Iran.

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Amazing ability to re-write history.

Seems to me I recall Kuwait asking for help. Remember Kuwait? Are they Isreal now too?

In regards to the conquest of Iraq, this is a list of the self-identified neo-cons who demanded that conquest and fronted Israeli propaganda as fact.



I leave it to the reader to discern the meaning of the marks next to names.

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Jerusalem Post
The origin of the Yahweh Cult

"As was astutely observed the only people calling for the US to start the first Gulf war were Israel and it amen corner in Congress. It was the same with the conquest of Iraq. It is now the same for war on Iran.

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Amazing ability to re-write history.

Seems to me I recall Kuwait asking for help. Remember Kuwait? Are they Isreal now too?

Kuwait was asking for help? Pardon but real history says the Emir of Kuwait wanted to get back on the throne.

Emir = King = Dictator for life

Bush I sold the "liberation" of Kuwait as establishing a democracy. We are all still awaiting that democracy are we not? Kuwait has the best educated population in the middle east. There is really no excuse for avoiding the democracy promised twenty years ago.

If in fact you remember the real history you can recite the single token action after the Emir was put back on the throne that lead no where and meant nothing.

In my reality no man has the right to rule another.

I grant Kuwaitis were better off under the Emir than under Hussein. It is also a fact that Britain created Kuwait solely to be a thorn in the side of Iraq.

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Are they Isreal now too?

Isreality is not my reality.

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I leave it to the reader to discern the meaning of the marks next to names.

Profiling? Stereotyping? Prejudging?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Are they Isreal now too?

Isreality is not my reality.

Let us know when you find one.

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Janice

"As was astutely observed the only people calling for the US to start the first Gulf war were Israel and it amen corner in Congress. It was the same with the conquest of Iraq. It is now the same for war on Iran.

"

Amazing ability to re-write history.

Seems to me I recall Kuwait asking for help. Remember Kuwait? Are they Isreal now too?

In regards to the conquest of Iraq, this is a list of the self-identified neo-cons who demanded that conquest and fronted Israeli propaganda as fact.



I leave it to the reader to discern the meaning of the marks next to names.

WOW! I bet that if the Jewish Race did not exist, you'd find another Race to hate. Tell you what, Why don't you write to your congressman & ask him to vote for Isolationism, that way, you & your country won't have to fight anyone else's wars!

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I leave it to the reader to discern the meaning of the marks next to names.

Profiling? Stereotyping? Prejudging?

Supporting my true statement about who was calling for the conquest of Iraq.

If I have missed any names in sufficient quantity to reduced the marked names to 2% of the total in accordance with the population of the US please feel free to add them.

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Jerusalem Post
The origin of the Yahweh Cult

"As was astutely observed the only people calling for the US to start the first Gulf war were Israel and it amen corner in Congress. It was the same with the conquest of Iraq. It is now the same for war on Iran.

"

Amazing ability to re-write history.

Seems to me I recall Kuwait asking for help. Remember Kuwait? Are they Isreal now too?

In regards to the conquest of Iraq, this is a list of the self-identified neo-cons who demanded that conquest and fronted Israeli propaganda as fact.



I leave it to the reader to discern the meaning of the marks next to names.

WOW! I bet that if the Jewish Race did not exist, you'd find another Race to hate. Tell you what, Why don't you write to your congressman & ask him to vote for Isolationism, that way, you & your country won't have to fight anyone else's wars!

Jews are not a race. Jews are the followers of Judaism. There is no such thing as an unbelieving Christian or unbelieving Jew.

http://www.amazon.com/Invention-Jewish-People-Shlomo-Sand/dp/1844676234/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1333723265&sr=1-1 The Invention of the Jewish People [Paperback] Shlomo Sand (Author), Yael Lotan (Translator)

The author, both Jewish and Israeli needed to write a book to dispel the nonsense created by Zionists but which is well known to educated people.

A cursory search of the races will uncover Mongoloid, Negroid, Caucasoid, Amerind, Australoid and three different ones in sub-Saharan Africa. One will not uncover Jewisoid.

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Just one point. WTH has Israel got to do with the Britain/Argentina issue?

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"As was astutely observed the only people calling for the US to start the first Gulf war were Israel and it amen corner in Congress. It was the same with the conquest of Iraq. It is now the same for war on Iran.

"

Amazing ability to re-write history.

Seems to me I recall Kuwait asking for help. Remember Kuwait? Are they Isreal now too?

In regards to the conquest of Iraq, this is a list of the self-identified neo-cons who demanded that conquest and fronted Israeli propaganda as fact.



I leave it to the reader to discern the meaning of the marks next to names.

WOW! I bet that if the Jewish Race did not exist, you'd find another Race to hate. Tell you what, Why don't you write to your congressman & ask him to vote for Isolationism, that way, you & your country won't have to fight anyone else's wars!

Jews are not a race. Jews are the followers of Judaism. There is no such thing as an unbelieving Christian or unbelieving Jew.

http://www.amazon.com/Invention-Jewish-People-Shlomo-Sand/dp/1844676234/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1333723265&sr=1-1 The Invention of the Jewish People [Paperback] Shlomo Sand (Author), Yael Lotan (Translator)

The author, both Jewish and Israeli needed to write a book to dispel the nonsense created by Zionists but which is well known to educated people.

A cursory search of the races will uncover Mongoloid, Negroid, Caucasoid, Amerind, Australoid and three different ones in sub-Saharan Africa. One will not uncover Jewisoid.

Isaac Asimov was a Jew and an atheist... one can deny a religion but not ones heritage

I am an atheist, out and out. It took me a long time to say it. I've been an atheist for years and years, but somehow I felt it was intellectually unrespectable to say one was an atheist, because it assumed knowledge that one didn't have. Somehow, it was better to say one was a humanist or an agnostic. I finally decided that I'm a creature of emotion as well as of reason. Emotionally, I am an atheist. I don't have the evidence to prove that God doesn't exist, but I so strongly suspect he doesn't that I don't want to waste my time.

There are limits beyond which your folly will not carry you. I am glad of that. In fact, I am relieved.

There are many aspects of the universe that still cannot be explained satisfactorily by science; but ignorance only implies ignorance that may someday be conquered. To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today.

If I were not an atheist, I would believe in a God who would choose to save people on the basis of the totality of their lives and not the pattern of their words. I think he would prefer an honest and righteous atheist to a TV preacher whose every word is God, God, God, and whose every deed is foul, foul, foul.

and most of all

If you suspect that my interest in the Bible is going to inspire me with sudden enthusiasm for Judaism and make me a convert of mountain‐moving fervor and that I shall suddenly grow long earlocks and learn Hebrew and go about denouncing the heathen — you little know the effect of the Bible on me. Properly read, it is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

Jews are not a race. Jews are the followers of Judaism. There is no such thing as an unbelieving Christian or unbelieving Jew.

The author, both Jewish and Israeli needed to write a book to dispel the nonsense created by Zionists but which is well known to educated people.

A cursory search of the races will uncover Mongoloid, Negroid, Caucasoid, Amerind, Australoid and three different ones in sub-Saharan Africa. One will not uncover Jewisoid.

Isaac Asimov was a Jew and an atheist... one can deny a religion but not ones heritage

It is impossible to be both. That is a fact. The only thing in common for all Jews is the religion. Without the religion they have nothing in common.

I have the opinion of a judge in Israel declaring Jews do not constitute a single ethnic group if you are interested http://www.giwersworld.org/FACT-SHEET/israel-jews-not-1-ethnic-group.phtml or straight from the horse's mouth if you wish. http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/removing-hypocrisy-1.281846

"The High Court justices made some emphatic statements last Thursday when they issued a precedent-setting ruling banning the segregation of Ashkenazi and Sephardi girls at the Beit Ya'akov Girls' School in Emmanuel. The right to a separate education based on ethnic affiliation is not an absolute right when it clashes with the right to equality, the judges ruled."

Go fight with the judge. Explain to him why Moroccan Jews do Russian circle dances while singing Hava Negilah to the tune of Irving Berlin.

While I have always appreciated his writing, fact and fiction, I really do not know how to carry on a debate with a dead man. So pardon if I ignore what you quote beyond observing he does not claim to be a Jew.

You might also like http://www.giwersworld.org/israel/willing-executioners.phtml "Even if you have no interest in this subject it will provide insight into how a political movement, Zionism, can pervert an entire religion, Judaism, and co-opt another religion, fundamentalist Christianity, to its ends and cow the dissenters into silence. Those who have read Goldhagen's book will find the parallels as striking as the author says he found them."

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Just one point. WTH has Israel got to do with the Britain/Argentina issue?

I did not ask what your "jewish race" had to do with the thread. I did not ask what it had to do with reality even isreality. I merely refuted that nonsense idea.

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A cursory search of the races will uncover Mongoloid, Negroid, Caucasoid, Amerind, Australoid and three different ones in sub-Saharan Africa. One will not uncover Jewisoid.

The exact same can be said for Americans!

I lay odds on that should a large oilfield be found within the Falklands area, they would assist Britain PDQ as they would prefer the oilfields in British hands rather than Argentinian!

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