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I read a news feed about Prince William being included with a Royal Navy visit to the Falklands this spring. The Argentine President is apparently upset about the situation. I think it is a whole lot of hot air over nothing. | |
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I don't think it is hot air at all. When the oil finds become proven & oilfields are setup, even though "money talks & honesty walks", there is no way in hell the current, or future for that matter, British Forces have the capacity to hold or even retake them shoud the Argentenians attack once more. | |
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At the moment it's all mainly sabre rattling. Although you can be pretty much sure that the UK has a nuclear sub already down there. | |
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We may have the air power & the ground forces with the same determination as in 1982 but without aircraft carriers, it is not possible. How many anti-ship missiles does it take to put a carrier task force in Davy Jones locker? Naval surface warfare is a thing of the past. ____________ | |
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Naval surface warfare is a thing of the past. I rather think not, and nor does the Royal Navy. The Daring class are often considered the most powerful air-defence warships in the world. The ship's capabilities centre on the SAMPSON Multi Function Radar which can detect hundreds of targets out to a distance of 400 km (250 mi) and the Sea Viper missile system. In addition Daring's S1850M 3D air surveillance radar is capable of detecting 1,000 targets up to 400 km (250 mi). It is also capable of detecting outer atmosphere objects such as ballistic missiles | |
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Before this announcement, the Argentine were already saber rattling about the Malvinas. They are working on getting most South American countries to refuse port access to ships stopping at the Falklands. Remember when the Eqyptians closed access to Aqaba back in 1967.... I read a news feed about Prince William being included with a Royal Navy visit to the Falklands this spring. The Argentine President is apparently upset about the situation. I think it is a whole lot of hot air over nothing. | |
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Naval surface warfare is a thing of the past. I'm sure she can. However today that can be useless. If I were the type to plan an attack on a surface ship, I'd find out how many anti-missiles she carries. All I need do is throw a few more drones at her than she has ammo then follow up with real bombs. The drones can have electronics on board that makes a single target look like multiple targets. The price of drones is cheap today, the price of a carrier isn't. Of course they need not be drones they could all have warheads. Another possible is to find out how fast she can launch anti-missiles and how many launchers she has. I just need to send more missiles than she can defend against in a given time frame. I might also be able to exploit a time issue by sending them from different directions and the time for the launcher to swing through a 180 degree arc slows down the number of anti-missiles that can be launched. There are other was to overwhelm the defensive capabilities. The Iranians just pulled off a good one tricking GPS, real issue if you attack yourself that way. A surface vessel is a sitting duck. ____________ | |
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Gary, that is why submarine people call skimmers targets. | |
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Watched some video of that place looked very much like england scenary. | |
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How many anti-ship missiles does it take to put a carrier task force in Davy Jones locker? Is that a fact? Then explain this.... CVN 70 North Arabian Sea CVN 71 RCOH scheduled for completion Dec 2012 CVN 72 Persian Gulf scheduled for RCOH 2013 CVN 73 Still at Yokosuka? CVN 74 South China Sea CVN 75 DPIA scheduled for fleet return Summer 2012 CVN 78 & 79 planned to enter the fleet in 2015 & 2018 - Or have they been cancelled? ____________ | |
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I think that if Naval surface warfare was really a thing of the past, then every country with a navy would disband it and save some money. I didn't take Gary's comment too seriously and I don't think he or anyone else has :-) There are expected to be ten ships of this class. To date, three have been announced: CVN Carriers | |
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Well the best way to project force without the need to use it is by having a carrier force off the coast (or within striking distance anyway) of a potential enemy. | |
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Worth a comment that Russia appears to be going the Sub route rather than top end surface warships or Carriers. | |
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How many anti-ship missiles does it take to put a carrier task force in Davy Jones locker? The government likes to waste money and lives. Note that they are keeping the front line ones well away from China because the top command knows the truth of the matter. Sitting ducks. ____________ | |
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Maybe Enland can lease a couple of the USA's carriers if push comes to shove. I've been reading that surface navies are obsolete for forty years. If Argentina had the capability to sink a fleet of surface ships they would have already tried. It's harder to attack and disable a carrier battle group than you think. | |
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Not surface navies but the main line battle ship is clearly out of date. no sense sending out a 16 inch dumb round when you can fire a missile and hit your target with absolute accuracy. | |
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but the main line battle ship is clearly out of date. no sense sending out a 16 inch dumb round when you can fire a missile and hit your target with absolute accuracy. Er excuse me? Aren't you talking about WWII battleships? HMS Dauntless doesn't have any 16" guns nor do any other modern ships. HMS Dauntless Skildude mate, we are in the 21st century now, there can't be many old style warships with those sort of main guns still being used on the frontline. If there are, they must be being rapidly replaced. And in any case missiles do not have to be launched in line of sight to their targets, they home in electronically or by heat seeking technology. | |
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Please read my previous post carefully. I did mention the Iraq war. In 1955, the Missouri was decommissioned and mothballed at the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard. But in 1986, the USS Missouri was recommissioned after undergoing an extensive modernization and refurbishment. In 1991, the Mighty Mo was deployed to the Persian Gulf where it fired its 16-inch guns and launched Tomahawk missiles against Iraqi positions during Operation Desert Storm. what size were those guns again. Oh yeah 16 inches. Big Mo was retired 1 year later ____________ Proud member of TSWB. End terrorism by building a school | |
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Please read my previous post carefully. I did mention the Iraq war. Quite true. However, that was against a ragtag armed forces. Had it been against the old USSR or even Chinese forces, then & now, it wouldn't last very long. To get within range to fire those guns would have left it open to land based air attacks. Billy Mitchell in the 1930's proved batleships are useless against air attack & he got castigated for that....it took the Japanese during WWII to explode the battleship myth when they sank HMS Prince of Wales & HMS Repulse by air attack alone. As Bob D stated, it really isn't easy to attack a carrier task force, at least not at this time, in the future, then maybe. But I'm pretty sure that by then, either the US or other western nations will have found a better solution. ____________ | |
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I( completely agree which is why I also previously stated that Main line battleships with 16 inch guns have been obsolete for majot combat operations since WWII. THe Japanese, American and German main battleships were sitting ducks when it came to air assaults. | |
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