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Most kids now are either created after Saturday night down the pub, or deliberately as a meal ticket to get more social money. Parents drag 'em up until 5 then hand them over to the state education system, and then effectively wash their hands of them. Chris, I don't know what it is you have seen that leads you to make these sweeping statements about current parenting, though it's not been my experience. If this is merely opinion stated as fact, fine, otherwise please provide data to back them up. ____________ I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... | |
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Another article explaining the "race to the bottom" of today's education policies, this one in the USA and the effects of "No Child Left Behind". | |
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http://www.youtube.com/embed/Pwghabw4N80?rel=0 | |
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when i was younger i worked for a computer store. | |
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If you care about education then you must read this, | |
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Please, sit down with the CLASSROOM teachers and work with them. But above all, GO TO A CLASSROOM! Don’t choose a “favored, high scoring” school. Go to a struggling school and observe a classroom. Better yet, since you are supposed to be people of “service”, substitute in a classroom. Your eyes will be opened to how difficult it is to do this job on a daily basis. I would agree with that as a once off, not on a regular basis. A lot of you would have read ES99's experiences as a UK teacher, not a lot different. The main problem is the 5 to 16 year old age group for many reasons. Further education (FE) does not have the same problem. One of the reasons that ES99 now teaches adults. That is why I titled my thread the way I did, because in my view it is the lack of parental interest and responsibility for their child's education that is a major cause of the problems we face today. I really feel for that parish teacher, even in my brief sojourn in the profession, I can empathise and sympathise with her. | |
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by route learning is hard on both student and teacher, but computers in this role | |
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Hi dancer, I have corrected a couple of typos for you. | |
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Hi dancer, I have corrected a couple of typos for you. i apologize for the dyslexia each student is a mix of auditory, visual, and textural learning, for each child this mix is different, to teach to a group is at best to teach to the low middle of the group. to use buddy's that are poorly matched is worse that no help at all. with today's computers it is easy to customize the presentation to best support each child. the teachers are still there to teach, the computers will simply take over the most tedious portion of this task. p.s. thanks for the correction. ____________ | |
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I was under the impression that learning by rote was frowned upon these days. That kids these days do not learn the multiplication tables by endless repition, or history by a list of dates etc. etc. | |
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to use buddy's that are poorly matched is worse that no help at all. Unless you have undergone a formal Teacher Training course at Post Graduate level, which I have done (PGCE), you will not know the techniques that are employed. Pairing @Es99 - help ..... :-) | |
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when allowed to progress at their own pace the junior high i mentioned earlier | |
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teaching to the group slows down everybody not just the bright ones. Sorry Dancer you are quite wrong. Firstly, a trained teacher will deal with the differentiation by planning in advance of the lesson. They will often pair the brightest pupils with the ones that are struggling. The clever ones will feel valued in the teacher allowing them to help their classmates, and the struggling ones can often learn better by a peer showing them, rather than a formal instruction by the teacher. Secondly, all teachers will have prepared extra work before hand, and often at a higher level than the average of the class. So the brightest can be stretched when they complete the easier tasks. Computer aided learning, or self tuition sometimes has it's place, but usually in FE. For example, when I took the ECDL the College I was at had self learning, you worked your way through the course work at your own pace asking for help when necessary. It works with adults, probably not with 10 year olds. Go and talk to a fully trained teacher and ask them how they deal with a class of different abilities. | |
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teaching to the group slows down everybody not just the bright ones. this is dancers room mate i went to the normal classes in the Norman Oklahoma public school system. i had many teachers tell me that i was beyond their class but they couldn't do anything about it because of bureaucracy. i spent my class room time (except for the 15 minutes to actually do the homework) reading fictional books. i got so board with school that i ended up hitchhiking around the country when i should have been graduating. i have many times in both my school days and my adult life talked to teachers in the public school system. over 90% of those I've talked to have told me that they cannot give the bright students the time they need because there are to many students in their classes and their standing is degraded if they don't get everyone to pass. ____________ | |
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i had the same thing happen 15 years before with the caveat that the excuse of | |
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teaching to the group slows down everybody not just the bright ones. I think I've seen you post about tracks in the UK schools. There are no tracks in USA schools. The morons sit in the same class as the gifted. The class is taught with the aim of getting the most passing scores on the standardized test. Better the pass rate the more $ for the school. ____________ | |
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Better the pass rate the more $ for the school. You are basically correct Gary. Schools in the UK are now run as businesses, NOT educational establishments. Every year various educational requirements are published by the Department for Education, which include so may thousand places for Baccalaureates, A levels, HNC, HND course etc. All Schools and Colleges undergo a 3 year inspection by OFSTED, where they get graded 1 (Outstanding), 2 (Good), 3 (Satisfactory) and 4 (Inadequate). Only those in grades 1 & 2 usually get awarded funding to put on courses, which is based upon their pass rate. Ofsted has been criticised as 'not fit for purpose' by the House of Commons Education Select Committee. The committee also highlighted their concern about "the complex set of objectives and sectors that Ofsted now spans and its capacity to fulfil its core mission". Other criticism has come from the Association of Teachers and Lecturers (ATL) which said "Ofsted is over-reliant on number crunching, using test data which are fundamentally unsound" and added that the organisation was "ripe for overhaul". High time for a change! | |
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teaching to the group slows down everybody not just the bright ones. ==================================================== my schools were tracked ____________ | |
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teaching to the group slows down everybody not just the bright ones. We are of a different generation. | |
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We are of a different generation. I think that is a fair comment. You do find that only the top state schools and private ones seem to fast track their best pupils these days. The norm is to concentrate on overall pass rates to maintain funding, to stay in business. | |
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