Message boards :
Politics :
Parents role in Education ?
Message board moderation
Previous · 1 . . . 9 · 10 · 11 · 12 · 13 · 14 · 15 . . . 19 · Next
Author | Message |
---|---|
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Myths; That could also be the converse too, kids doing the 1960s test today may have trouble with the terminology too. Reality Internet Personality |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Those things are on the GCSE science syllabus if that helps, so they should be aware of the idea of a logarithmic scale, they just can't manipulate logs. Lol. That's always been the case. Reality Internet Personality |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19059 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Those things are on the GCSE science syllabus if that helps, so they should be aware of the idea of a logarithmic scale, they just can't manipulate logs. Maybe for public services, but when the student or his employer are paying, no. |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
So how do you explain the differences in the strength of earthquakes like the one you have just had, without knowledge of Logs? Bob's example here is very worthy for I studied all this many-many years ago but never needed it once studied. Yet upon reading his post here I had absolutely no problem in following plus fully understanding the technicalities held within. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
However, last summer we went on a 6 hours drive to visit relatives and mr99 had downloaded all the actual chart hits from the entire 1970s to listen to in our journey. "What a treat!" you might think, "finally, we can bathe our ears in some quality music performed in a much better time when music was clearly of a higher standard!" Gary!! no-no-no...the 70's was brilliant for it's disco music and has never been beaten. I ran a disco outfit from 1974 through to 1983 and the only time Disco Duck ever got played was for kiddies do's...it never got played in the big club functions...god!! you'd get laughed out of the club if you did. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30648 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Gary!! no-no-no...the 70's was brilliant for it's disco music and has never IIRC it did get radio air play and that would put it "on the charts" and into a compilation. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19059 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
In Message 1300198 I expressed the view that I didn't like course work because there could be manipulation by the teachers. Well the latest from Ofqual (the office that supervises education standards in the UK) on the fiasco about the English results agrees. Independent - Damning report reveals GCSE marking scandal Teachers are today accused of perpetrating a widespread abuse of the exams system by bumping up the marks of their pupils to get them top-grade GCSE passes. In a report, the exams watchdog Ofqual claims that a widespread loss of integrity in the profession has led many teachers to deliberately inflate coursework marks. Guardian - English GCSEs overmarked by teachers pushed to limit, says regulator Children have been let down by an exam system that was open to abuse by teachers under pressure to achieve good grades. BBC - Pressurised teachers 'marked GCSE too generously' Too much pressure on schools in England to get good GCSE grades led to over-generous marking of coursework by teachers, the exams watchdog concludes. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
In Message 1300198 I expressed the view that I didn't like course work because there could be manipulation by the teachers. Well the latest from Ofqual (the office that supervises education standards in the UK) on the fiasco about the English results agrees. I guess those league tables, performance pay and bullying by heads really paid off then. Reality Internet Personality |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19059 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Did you really expect anything different? |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19059 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Ms Stacey added she believed teachers had marked the test "optimistically", rather than with a deliberate intention to inflate grades. But that doesn't quite agree with what teacher Aa said in the Independents version. We have to cheat': Aa teacher confesses Which basically is what I suspected all along with teacher assessments, is that once somebody see's there is a method to inflate the results then everybody assumes everybody else is and so they also do it. Result, grade inflation, the very thing that most politicians and teachers have said is not happening. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Ms Stacey added she believed teachers had marked the test "optimistically", rather than with a deliberate intention to inflate grades. All I know is that in my early years of teaching I gave honest reports and grades to my classes. I got abuse at parents evening from a parent that left me in tears and the headtecher instead of backing me up also laid into me. I learned never to do that again. I got told that all the other teachers had given good reports to the same kids so I must be wrong, but I knew from staffroom discussion that the other teachers had exactly the same issues with exactly the same kids. My conclusion was that the other teachers had learned to lie on their reports to protect themselves from the parents and head. Later when performance pay came in I can only imagine the situation got worse. Add to that more frequent OFSTED inspections, terrible behaviour of the pupils and it always being the teachers fault no matter what, it's no wonder I never want to teach in the UK again and still have nightmares about it. Do you know that the average career of a teacher in inner cities in 4 years before they quit? There is reason for that. It's the only job I've ever worked in where management feel it is ok to scream at a teacher as if they were a disobedient child. I was so shocked when I first saw it happen. Now I am just disgusted at the culture of bullying in UK schools. The teachers get bullied by the parents, the management, the media and the government, yet all they want to do is what is best for the kids they teach. I don't think the overall standard of the actual exams of courses has changed, I could be wrong, I do know that I always taught to the correct standard. I do completely believe that teachers are bullied into over inflating their marks. However, it would be a slight effect, in science the coursework is only worth 20%. The rest is national exam. All coursework is moderated by other teachers to ensure that it is being marked properly, also some is chosen by the exam board to be moderated independently. If the marks are glaringly inconsistent coming from one school then the all the coursework from that school is inspected. Any over marking should be picked up before final marks are awarded. I can't comment on other exams because I am not sure what the component of coursework is, by I do now that they also put in safeguards to moderate their coursework. Reality Internet Personality |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
ES Looking in from the outside with several teacher friends and falimy, I fully endorse your comments. Age is a thing to take in to account, but all of them have left the prodession for the same reasons. I wonder if the head, and parents, would try an bully a teacher who is an athletic 19 stone and 6 foot 4 inchs (1.93 metres) tall, and a champoin boxer? I think not! It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19059 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
There are some more teachers comments in a follow up in the Telegragh 'We have to cheat, nanny and fiddle', teachers say Here's one of the comments, I feel I am being made to cheat. I've taught the kids and then let them do the tasks - we have to do them in the classrooms, except for those who need access arrangements, who are under the beady eye of external invigilators. I taught my kids, gave them the opportunity to make notes, and then did the damned things like an exam. Result? Lots of them underperformed against their targets. Not good enough. This work, I am told, is really coursework, and has to be at target grade, or they will not reach their targets at the end of the course. Others in the department have done marked drafts. I'm now feeling pressured to get some of mine to redo various pieces. I've voiced my objections, but have been told that the long and the short of it is that they have to be nannied through at every stage - there is disbelief when I say that some schools are doing the CAs as exams. I resent the implication that I am failing my kids, when actually what they produce is probably more accurate as an indication of their abilities than their target grades are. The sooner this nonsense is stopped and we go back to 100 per cent exams, the better. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Qbert - I do hope that was not a personal attack upon ES99. Wow, from a retired "educator" telling another poster "Well why mess about, go and join the National Front or the BNP". If that's not a racist remark then neither is Qberts post a personal attack. For those who don't know what the NF or BNP is - check for yourselves: - National Front BNP Stop being a hypocrite! |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
All I know is that in my early years of teaching I gave honest reports and grades to my classes. I got abuse at parents evening from a parent that left me in tears and the headtecher instead of backing me up also laid into me. I learned never to do that again. Sorry Qbert, I never got that memo. I guess you don't really know what happened during my liberal brainwashing indoctrination after all. Reality Internet Personality |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Qbert - I do hope that was not a personal attack upon ES99. Discrimination is wrong. You see, to discriminate is to say someone is right and someone is wrong. This is not discrimination. You are incorrect, you also know that I am definitely at the very least a liberal and have no compunction about telling anyone at all when I think they are wrong. To say someone is right or wrong is what's been happening in human civilization for the past 50,000 years. Since nothing in recent human history has rid us of war, crime and poverty, everything in recent human history is wrong. What we've been doing for the past 50,000 years is judging people. Therefore, judging people is the problem as defined by modern liberal philosophy. If we quit judging people, we'll get rid of all war, poverty and crime. Wars, crime, murder etc are actually on the decline and are at lower rates than they have ever been in history. It's still not good enough, but as long as we keep getting more liberal things will continue to improve. Good old liberalism. Helping civilisation to progress for thousands of years. Reality Internet Personality |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Qbert - I do hope that was not a personal attack upon ES99. There's more than one meaning of the word discriminate: verb (used without object) From what I understand, liberalism (and a few other "isms") believe the first meaning to be "wrong", if you do not, please explain why. As for the second meaning, I'm not sure I know of any "ism" that is against that. As for the history of saying someone is right or wrong, you may well be correct in your estimation of its heritage, though saying something is so, does not make it so, for that it helps to have evidence. You say you are "just pointing out what modern liberalism is" though provide no evidence in support of what you say. Why should anybody believe you? I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
©2024 University of California
SETI@home and Astropulse are funded by grants from the National Science Foundation, NASA, and donations from SETI@home volunteers. AstroPulse is funded in part by the NSF through grant AST-0307956.