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Message 1183343 - Posted: 7 Jan 2012, 0:01:49 UTC

Certainly there are Persons Of Exquisite Mind who must Bang Their Heads against the wall when Our Leaders are So, seemingly, UnIntelligent.

I read where Congressman Paul Ryan, in a meeting with The Prez, talked about Health Care, and The Prez was Gob-Smacked and had No Response. So Overwhelmingly was Paul Ryan's Knowledge of The Subject.

So Many want Mr. Ryan to run, but He is concerned about Raising His Young Family.

Mr. Ryan's Vast Knowledge of Finances, also, I'm sure, leave OBlahBlahBlah's Mind(LOL) Reeling for a Response.

A Debate between The Two would make The Prez look, well, What He Is. A SpeechBot and Nothing More.

Mr. Ryan can't be The Only Real Mind Out There. Why do The Exquisite Minds of This Nation allow SpeechBots to Rule?

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Message 1183347 - Posted: 7 Jan 2012, 0:25:07 UTC - in response to Message 1183343.

So where did you read that? Perhaps a somewhat partisan source? Then again, all sources are partisan I suppose.

Ryan knows a lot about the health care system -- and he does an excellent job at presenting his views. But it is possible to know a lot about the health care system and have different views...

That being said, Ryan pretty much outshines the collection of TeaPublicans running for the nomination. Gingrich *might* be as knowledgeable, but he is so Newtcentric to be unqualified for the post.



I read where Congressman Paul Ryan, in a meeting with The Prez, talked about Health Care, and The Prez was Gob-Smacked and had No Response. So Overwhelmingly was Paul Ryan's Knowledge of The Subject.



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Message 1183425 - Posted: 7 Jan 2012, 5:23:06 UTC

Nobody smart enough to be President would be dumb enough to run for President.
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Message 1183426 - Posted: 7 Jan 2012, 5:23:18 UTC - in response to Message 1183347.

perhaps gobsmacked at how idiotic his plan was and the fact that Ryan has the pollyann view that la ti da i'll worry about this another day. Ryans plan is a killer fir anyone that is poor or middle income and expects to have medical coverage and social security when they retire.

The Ryan plan is nothing more than rationing of Healthcare which is what the Neocons have been screaming that Obama wants. The guy is just a turd with a tie
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Message 1183430 - Posted: 7 Jan 2012, 5:47:54 UTC

The guy is just a turd with a tie


Well, Mr. Smelly-if Repugnants win The Prez, House, and Senate-will be The Defacto Prez, while The Real Repugnant Prez will be a True Figure[shat]Head.

He is That Well Respected and Powerful.

Which makes Him that Much Smarter. FigureShatHead takes all The Grief and gets The Gray Hairs, while Do Doo Man actually is The "Man". SaWeeeeeet.

So, keep your Toilet Bowl Cleaner handy if The Rs Do The Doo in Two Zero 1 Two.

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Message 1183437 - Posted: 7 Jan 2012, 6:59:51 UTC - in response to Message 1183426.

Like I said in another thread, the approach (which Ryan advocates) is an excellent one for balancing the budget.

1) Eliminate Medicare (privatizing it is the same thing when you get down to it)

2) Limit or eliminate Medicaid.

3) Eliminate or privatize Social Security.

The one step he's not included is the elimination of 'duty of care' on health care providers -- that would tie it all together. If the sick and poor and elderly die quicker, the budget deficit would be solved.

Now as to the ethics or morality of this approach -- well, this is politics and ethics and morality are not in the conversation.


perhaps gobsmacked at how idiotic his plan was and the fact that Ryan has the pollyann view that la ti da i'll worry about this another day. Ryans plan is a killer fir anyone that is poor or middle income and expects to have medical coverage and social security when they retire.

The Ryan plan is nothing more than rationing of Healthcare which is what the Neocons have been screaming that Obama wants. The guy is just a turd with a tie


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Message 1183441 - Posted: 7 Jan 2012, 7:10:50 UTC

One factor that no one has mentioned yet. Senior citizens tend to vote in much higher percentages than the younger crowd. And now many who advocated the dismantling of Social Security and Medicare are in the age group that benefits from those programs and have softened their attitudes.
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Message 1183457 - Posted: 7 Jan 2012, 9:33:14 UTC

Certainly there are Persons Of Exquisite Mind who must Bang Their Heads against the wall when Our Leaders are So, seemingly, UnIntelligent.

It has been quite scary over here to watch the so called debates. Apart from Ron Paul (and I know he has his own issues) none of the potential Republican candidates seems to have two brain cells to rub together.

Talk about lowest common denominator politics. The thought of one of these blokes, none of whom you would vote for as a member of the local council, having their finger on the Big Red Button is downright scary.

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Message 1183469 - Posted: 7 Jan 2012, 12:19:27 UTC - in response to Message 1183437.

Like I said in another thread, the approach (which Ryan advocates) is an excellent one for balancing the budget.

1) Eliminate Medicare (privatizing it is the same thing when you get down to it)

2) Limit or eliminate Medicaid.

3) Eliminate or privatize Social Security.

The one step he's not included is the elimination of 'duty of care' on health care providers -- that would tie it all together. If the sick and poor and elderly die quicker, the budget deficit would be solved.

Now as to the ethics or morality of this approach -- well, this is politics and ethics and morality are not in the conversation.


perhaps gobsmacked at how idiotic his plan was and the fact that Ryan has the pollyann view that la ti da i'll worry about this another day. Ryans plan is a killer fir anyone that is poor or middle income and expects to have medical coverage and social security when they retire.

The Ryan plan is nothing more than rationing of Healthcare which is what the Neocons have been screaming that Obama wants. The guy is just a turd with a tie



BarryAZ,

I just saw a rather interesting quote on Dr. Ron Paul's house.gov website:

Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. -- Frédéric Bastiat, The Law




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Message 1183510 - Posted: 7 Jan 2012, 17:00:11 UTC - in response to Message 1183469.

Let's not forget that Ron Paul is quietly a Libertarian. He'd dismantle the entire government with the exception of the military. He may be the least objectionable of the bunch but his views are clear to the most casual of observers and its not something even the Republicans want.
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Message 1183524 - Posted: 7 Jan 2012, 17:38:29 UTC - in response to Message 1183441.

Indeed, and it may be another demographic factor which will constrain the TeaParty folks -- as it is, they have to deal with the demographics which place an increasing proportion of non-teaparty fodder ('ethnics') in the voting ranks, and in addition to this, the elderly -- even the elderly white -- see a disincentive to support TeaParty objectives.

One factor that no one has mentioned yet. Senior citizens tend to vote in much higher percentages than the younger crowd. And now many who advocated the dismantling of Social Security and Medicare are in the age group that benefits from those programs and have softened their attitudes.

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Message 1183526 - Posted: 7 Jan 2012, 17:43:17 UTC - in response to Message 1183469.

Interesting quote, though one wonders who/what will care for the unfunded sick, elderly and poor absent 'financial encouragement'.

I don't see solid proposals from the TeaPublicans or no-government crowd in this regard. Frankly, I suspect it isn't a concern from them. Perhaps some simply believe God will sort it out, while others may believe the God of unrestrained capitalism will sort it out. For me, color me unfaithful in this regard.






BarryAZ,

I just saw a rather interesting quote on Dr. Ron Paul's house.gov website:

Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. -- Frédéric Bastiat, The Law




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Message 1183529 - Posted: 7 Jan 2012, 17:48:25 UTC - in response to Message 1183510.

Paul would largely dismantle the military as well -- he is a flat out isolationists -- he wants to zero out US foreign bases (not just Iraq (already done) and Afghanistan, but also South Korea, Europe and anywhere else there are American bases. He also wants to zero out military (and foreign) aid to all countries.

I think the positions that Paul has on the military (and pure isolationism), plus the drug war (end it totally), plus immigration (eliminate government laws), and government imposition of 'family values' (get the government out of our lives) scare the heck out of the Republican establishment. Paul ran as a Libertarian 12 years ago -- to his credit, he has been very consistent as a Libertarian ideologue.


Let's not forget that Ron Paul is quietly a Libertarian. He'd dismantle the entire government with the exception of the military. He may be the least objectionable of the bunch but his views are clear to the most casual of observers and its not something even the Republicans want.

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Message 1183544 - Posted: 7 Jan 2012, 18:52:57 UTC - in response to Message 1183529.

Voted for Paul when he ran. The less government we have the better off we all are. There are very few things government does that make things, most functions of government are leeches. How much blood (money) can we allow to be sucked out before we have a collapse? Those functions where government does build things can stay, eg roads and sewers. Of course we need to be sure they generate more revenue than they use.

Paul would largely dismantle the military as well -- he is a flat out isolationists -- he wants to zero out US foreign bases (not just Iraq (already done) and Afghanistan, but also South Korea, Europe and anywhere else there are American bases. He also wants to zero out military (and foreign) aid to all countries.

I think the positions that Paul has on the military (and pure isolationism), plus the drug war (end it totally), plus immigration (eliminate government laws), and government imposition of 'family values' (get the government out of our lives) scare the heck out of the Republican establishment. Paul ran as a Libertarian 12 years ago -- to his credit, he has been very consistent as a Libertarian ideologue.


Let's not forget that Ron Paul is quietly a Libertarian. He'd dismantle the entire government with the exception of the military. He may be the least objectionable of the bunch but his views are clear to the most casual of observers and its not something even the Republicans want.



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Message 1183548 - Posted: 7 Jan 2012, 19:12:15 UTC - in response to Message 1183544.

Your various posts have presented a 'Paulist' message. I suppose if I had more trust in corporations doing what is best for Americans than the Government, I could agree with that view. The trade off to me is that government certainly tends toward the incompetent, while large corporations tend toward the venal and greedy and further, their perceived self-interest rarely is in sync with national self interest.

So based on our ideological differences, you see Paul as the right choice and I see Obama as at least the less wrong choice. I respect your position (after all, I tend to liberal and liberal have this thing about respecting alternative views) and hope you respect mine.


Voted for Paul when he ran. The less government we have the better off we all are. There are very few things government does that make things, most functions of government are leeches. How much blood (money) can we allow to be sucked out before we have a collapse? Those functions where government does build things can stay, eg roads and sewers. Of course we need to be sure they generate more revenue than they use.


Message 1183595 - Posted: 7 Jan 2012, 22:19:54 UTC

Teacher says to Little Barry: Naughty Naughty saying Untrue Things.

Now write 100 Times on the board:

(after all, I tend to liberal and liberal have this thing about respecting alternative views)

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Good Boy Barry. Now go Stand in the Corner.

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Message 1183609 - Posted: 7 Jan 2012, 23:07:54 UTC - in response to Message 1183595.
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So true


Teacher says to Little Dullster Naughty Naughty saying UnTrue Things.

Now write 100 Times on the board:
(after all, I tend to Dull and Dullnado haa this thing about not respecting alternative views)

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Message 1183612 - Posted: 7 Jan 2012, 23:12:14 UTC
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The thing is oh dull one, that Chris, who's vantage point and politics are vastly different from mine has things to say representing a political vantage point -- so, with work I can engage with him (and he with me I believe).

You, being essentially a nihilist have precious little to say that anyone can work with or respond to, rather, you see what you get -- reactions -- not responses. It is, after all, in your nature.

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you get -- reactions -- not responses


Broheim, be not ye. As a Misanthrope, I do nil thee.

But am gladist, that you and Chris, if both were In Council, would bring about The Best For Thy.

That Not This Best Existist, with Odds Most Leaning to Political Foes In Compromise given To Be Broheim In Spirit, The Best Would Prevail. It Does Not.

So Preacheth Wise One, and Not A Good Deed Be Done.

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Message 1183620 - Posted: 7 Jan 2012, 23:59:54 UTC - in response to Message 1183441.

One factor that no one has mentioned yet. Senior citizens tend to vote in much higher percentages than the younger crowd. And now many who advocated the dismantling of Social Security and Medicare are in the age group that benefits from those programs and have softened their attitudes.


Quite rightly so. Having paid into both Social Security and Medicare systems for over 35 years, I do not believe that it is reasonable to pull the rug out from someone 10-15 years away from retirement. My fellow AARPers will make sure that doesn't happen.

There is no question that the funding/benefit formulas have been pathetically managed by kicking the can down the road. However, this is nothing new. The problem is well known and has been going on for decades.

No program has done more to reduce poverty in America, particularly among elderly women. It cannot be simply scrapped. However, I have no problem with adjusting the formulas so that my kids, who are 18 and contributed for the first time this past year, understand that their benefits will be smaller and they will have their entire working lives to plan accordingly.
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