What components will give the 'ultimate' s@h cruncher PC?

'Ultimate' is highest RAC for a single motherboard.

So what bits to get for:

1: Highest RAC per component cost?

2: Highest RAC per Watt?


And is there anything better if you were to abandon the old PC way of doing things?...


Ideas?

Happy super-fast crunchin',
Martin

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Get yourself an AMD processor 6 core, and A GOOD VIDEO CARD 590

does it on the cheap

ram is cheap now, but maybe not for long thou

:)

Get yourself an AMD processor 6 core, and A GOOD VIDEO CARD 590

does it on the cheap

ram is cheap now, but maybe not for long thou

:)

Sir, I refer you to this post.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=66507

Regards,

A

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As to the Ultimate Crunching PC, It will be done sometime in 2013, Anything built before that, is ok, but Ultimate? I'm not so sure.

EVGA P55 Classified 200 motherboard(have, new)
Xeon x3440 cpu(RED EK waterblock)
32GB Reg ram
2-Water Blocks for the Motherboard(have, installed, new)
6-GTX295 single pcb water cooled cards(5-Koolance + 1-Bitspower, all used, all but 1 video card tested on air)
6-single slot Koolance brackets(have 5, all new)
2-Mini pci-e Sata 3 cards(can do Raid 0, 1 and JBOD, HDD or SSD, new)
2-Mini pci-e to USB 2.0 adapter cards(New)
1500w Silverstone psu(have, used)
650w Thermaltake video card psu(have, new)
1-420x140x60 Coolgate Radiator(New)
1-240x120x60 Coolgate Radiator(New)
1-360x120x60 Coolgate Radiator(have, uses 6-32 screws, new)
Xigmatek Elysium super tower case(New)
4-Enzotech Rotary Joint BRMM-G1/4(New)
1-Enzotech Rotary Joint(either a 30/45/90)(New)
10' of 1/2" ID tubing(New)
a few 1/2" OD fittings and clamps(New, used)
XSPC Dual Drive Bay Reservoir/pump(New)

All the blocks & rads need to be purged of any hidden debris 1st, pump failure could happen if this is not done.

requires: tubing, water filter, pump, bucket, fittings.(New)

But then Ultimate is what one can afford.

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1: Highest RAC per component cost?

2: Highest RAC per Watt?

For both of those you'd probably be looking at an i5 or i7 39xx with several GTX460s / GTX560Tis (or equivalent when Kepler comes out).

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Grant
Darwin NT

Mine would possibly have a few large SSD's, maybe 4-480GB OCZ Agility 3 models, Eventually as each is about $690 a piece.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

Is there any real point in using SSD's on a dedicated SETI cruncher?

Once it has booted there is very little in the way of drive activity. WU transfers are limited by your connection bandwidth and are way slower than HDD transfer rates and communication between BOINC and the HDD is minimal. If your not downloading/uploading the drive light hardly blinks.

for the price of SSD's I can see no advantage. IMHO your better off putting the money towards a faster GPU

T.A.

To me, it seems most reasonable to have 4 pcs of EVGA's 460 2Win or 560 2Win on some board with 4 PCIe slots, which all allow two slot cards, for total of 8 GPUs. Like X79-UD7(there are 1366 board also, e.g GA-X58-OC, not sure about 1155 and 1156. Imho, there was at least one Sapphire MoBo for 1155 and one Asus with 1156).
Can any OS handle 12 GPUs, as above example with 6 295s?

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Is there any real point in using SSD's on a dedicated SETI cruncher?

Once it has booted there is very little in the way of drive activity. WU transfers are limited by your connection bandwidth and are way slower than HDD transfer rates and communication between BOINC and the HDD is minimal. If your not downloading/uploading the drive light hardly blinks.

for the price of SSD's I can see no advantage. IMHO your better off putting the money towards a faster GPU

T.A.

Maybe, but the hdd here is at It's limit, I'd otherwise have to get a 600GB Velociraptor, the controllers I mentioned do support Sata 3 or 6 GB/s and usb 2.0 has the needed bandwidth of 480 vs 400 for pci-e 1x(5 GB/s). Yes there is a way to run the sata 3 interface at 6 GB/s on a motherboard where It's not native, there is a mini pci-e to usb adapter that would otherwise would be run in a 1x pci-e slot, You mount the Sata 3 controller there in the usb card and hook up a cable to the motherboard, install the drivers and off Ya go once the drivers are installed the drive can be hooked up to the controller much like a SCSI controller, but with Sata cables. I'm buying two of the Sata 3 controllers on Feb 1st and no their not cheap, their about $69 each before shipping. The usb adapter cards are about $25 each.


Sata 3 Controller(top or left) / USB-pci-e adapter card(bottom or right depending one ones monitor).

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I got some tips from -= Vyper =- when I was setting up my 295 rig and this is one thing he said

"those GPU's (GTX 295) doesn't work properly when O use a driver newer than 190.38, after that only 4 gpu's get utilized out of 8."

So not sure the reasons that the newer drivers wouldn't be able to use more than 4 GPUs.

I to have looked into the EVGA's 460 2Win or 560 2Win cards, but it seems like there pretty buggy and reading reviews at Newegg and the EVGA forum, people are having lots of issues.

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I got some tips from -= Vyper =- when I was setting up my 295 rig and this is one thing he said

"those GPU's (GTX 295) doesn't work properly when O use a driver newer than 190.38, after that only 4 gpu's get utilized out of 8."

So not sure the reasons that the newer drivers wouldn't be able to use more than 4 GPUs.

I to have looked into the EVGA's 460 2Win or 560 2Win cards, but it seems like there pretty buggy and reading reviews at Newegg and the EVGA forum, people are having lots of issues.

I run 3 GTX295 cards in One PC 12 hours a night and the driver is 290.53, why only at night? I use a swamp cooler normally to cool the house and It's shut down for the winter, oh I could uncover It and run the fan, but I'd rather not Yet. All 6 gpus show up just fine in Windows 7 Pro x64 and Boinc, Vyper does not have a system like I have I'll bet, Mine uses 2-v2 GTX295 cards and 1-v1 GTX295 card with no problems, plus their overclocked some, this is cuda, not a game machine...

Newer drivers than 270.xx support more than 4 gpus natively, what the limit is I don't know.

Besides TThrottle 5.40 won't run with that old of a driver, It needs I think 270+.

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Well... "ultimate" is relative and depends on your wallet. How about this dual socket board or an own server closet with a couple(or a couple more) of those babies in it?

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Well... "ultimate" is relative and depends on your wallet. How about this dual socket board or an own server closet with a couple(or a couple more) of those babies in it?

The extra cpu is worthless to Me as I just use the gpus to crunch with, not the cpus. Besides I already own a P55 Classified 200 motherboard and It will do nicely.

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As many 590s as your electricity power outlet can handle. + an H70 cooler.

Well... "ultimate" is relative and depends on your wallet. How about this dual socket board or an own server closet with a couple(or a couple more) of those babies in it?

Now there is a good question...

Is it better to go for a multi-CPU-socket beast? Or a single socket with a multi-core beast CPU?

For the closest to 'ultimate' (whatever that is exactly), my leanings at the moment are towards an AMD3+ motherboard maxed out with RAM and GPUs. That assumes that the GPUs will far exceed anything a super-expensive CPU can do provided whatever host CPU is chosen can keep the GPUs fed with data.

I'm also considering closed-loop air cooling with the heat exchanged with an external water cooling system... The main hope there is to avoid the insides getting furred up like an ancient vacuum cleaner!


Happy super-fast crunchin'!
Martin

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Is it better to go for a multi-CPU-socket beast? Or a single socket with a multi-core beast CPU?

If just using the CPUs to crunch, then a muli socket multicore system would be the way to go.
eg a 8 socket system using Westmere E7s. 10 cores, 20 threads * 8 = 160 WUs at a time on a single system.
Unfortunately the cost of such a system would be painfull; $2,700 for each CPU (the base model, top of the line is $4,500).
Power consumption though would actually be very low per WU crunched, compared to running multiple systems with multiple GPUs to crunch 160WUs at a time.

However several quad core systems with multiple GPUs, while not being able to process the same number of WUs at any given time, would still be able to process more WUs per hour than the Octal socket system- by a huge margin.

For the closest to 'ultimate' (whatever that is exactly), my leanings at the moment are towards an AMD3+ motherboard maxed out with RAM and GPUs. That assumes that the GPUs will far exceed anything a super-expensive CPU can do provided whatever host CPU is chosen can keep the GPUs fed with data.

For actual crunching, the Intel CPUs beat the AMD ones by miles.
But if just using the CPU to feed multiple GPUs a basic tripple core AMD based system would be a good way to go. I wouldn't even bother loading it up with RAM- i'd put that money towards a SSD as the boot drive.

I'm also considering closed-loop air cooling with the heat exchanged with an external water cooling system... The main hope there is to avoid the insides getting furred up like an ancient vacuum cleaner!

For that, i'm thinking the best sort of enclosure for the system would be a reasonably large wooden box. I'd have the PSU mounted exernally. The only holes in the box would be for the PSU leads, mouse, keyboard & monitor (and i'd probably keep the KVM holes closed most of the time- use a manager to remotely control the system) & the in & out pipes for the water.

In side the box i'd have a nice large radiator, with as large a fan as possible to draw the hot system air through it, outside a larger radiator & fan to get rid of as much heat as possible (either from a small car or motocycle) depending on how many video cards you have & what rating, even a large (1.2kW) PSU may not be enough to drive them, the system, the fans & the pump- so an extra bench type PSU might be required.

As a safetly for such a system, you could insert a relay connection into the power_good lead from the PSU- if there is no power to the water pump & fans the system won't start. If they lose power, the system will stop (abruptly).

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Grant
Darwin NT

Can any of the new intel encryption extensions be used in a new optimized app???

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Can any of the new intel encryption extensions be used in a new optimized app???

highly unlikely, though AVX certainly is.

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Can any of the new intel encryption extensions be used in a new optimized app???

highly unlikely, though AVX certainly is.

I suspect once people get a handle on AVX, they will give a huge boost to crucnhing.
Look at the effect of Quick Sync for video transcoding.
eg A i5 2500k, 82.5 fps
i5 2500k Quick Sync, 200 fps.

Quick Sync v non Quick Sync.

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Grant
Darwin NT

The main reason i upgraded to the AMD FX was it supports AVX as well.
Time will tell.

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