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Message 1180487 - Posted: 24 Dec 2011, 18:23:02 UTC

The Black Ops Boys and "Military" Big Ears will be pointed at them.

With their Ultra State-of-Art "Ears" and Massive Funding, their ability to find an Intelligent Signal will surely make SETI moot.

Once the signal is found by them, what use Under-Funded and Dinaursorian Signal Finding SETI will be?

SETI is like a car attenna and "They" are like...Arecibo on Steroids.

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Message 1180489 - Posted: 24 Dec 2011, 18:50:26 UTC - in response to Message 1180487.

If a signal is found, I would imagine there would be a great need for processing power to attempt to decode/interpret the signals. With SETI@Home having the foundation of a super-computer at minimal cost, some funding (and renewed interest) in the project could be the next step.

Or the government could blow some more of the tax payer's money and build their own super-computer leaving SETI@Home to perish, which would be a very stupid and fiscally irresponsible thing to do - so it will likely be the course of action that happens.

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Message 1180494 - Posted: 24 Dec 2011, 19:03:23 UTC

I should imagine that the Black Ops boys and other Government Agencies are already closely monitoring the work that Seti does. In the event of a signal that could be verified, there would likely be a security clampdown, and the data processed by the Governments own super computers.

Message 1180499 - Posted: 24 Dec 2011, 19:57:32 UTC

Or the government could blow some more of the tax payer's money and build their own super-computer leaving SETI@Home to perish


Exactly. Except for The Blowing of TPs $$$.

closely monitoring the work that Seti does


Hardly.

The "Boys" when they hear SETI mentioned, do not Laugh, nor roll their eyes anymore. Moot to Does Not Exist.

They know what you type before you type it, and know what you say, before you say it.

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Message 1180547 - Posted: 25 Dec 2011, 0:17:40 UTC - in response to Message 1180499.

Or the government could blow some more of the tax payer's money and build their own super-computer leaving SETI@Home to perish


Exactly. Except for The Blowing of TPs $$$.


Why do you think it won't be a waste of tax payer money? And what makes you think that SETI@Home offering their user base as a super-computer is a no-go?

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Message 1180688 - Posted: 25 Dec 2011, 22:24:05 UTC

They know what you type before you type it, and know what you say, before you say it.


As it is Christmas day I will be kind and not say what I normally would. I hope you will be a lot happier in 2012 :-)

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Message 1180724 - Posted: 26 Dec 2011, 1:25:10 UTC - in response to Message 1180688.
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Chris, you are too kind. Once again I will bring out my aluminum foil beanie!
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Message 1180738 - Posted: 26 Dec 2011, 5:45:38 UTC

Why do you think it won't be a waste of tax payer money?


No Waste Based Accounting. Not even toilet paper, paper clips, or ball point pens.

And what makes you think that SETI@Home offering their user base as a super-computer is a no-go?


What would be so Super about it?

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Message 1180770 - Posted: 26 Dec 2011, 14:06:01 UTC - in response to Message 1180738.

Why do you think it won't be a waste of tax payer money?


No Waste Based Accounting. Not even toilet paper, paper clips, or ball point pens.


That didn't exactly answer the question. I thought as a hardline conservative you would agree that any government spending on things such as a supercomputer to process an alien signal would certainly be seen as unnecessary if the private or educational sectors could do it much more efficiently and cost effectively.

And what makes you think that SETI@Home offering their user base as a super-computer is a no-go?


What would be so Super about it?


The fact that SETI@Home can offer TeraFLOPs of power with significantly less funding than the government building their own supercomputer, and the opportunity for the citizens of the world to take part in science by utilizing their spare processing power.

Message 1180802 - Posted: 26 Dec 2011, 17:47:56 UTC

educational sectors could do it much more efficiently and cost effectively.


Like SETI? And when has Education gotten results for their Trillions?

with significantly less funding than the government


Underfunded they do a terrible job. With enough funding, what a Catastrophe it would be.

as a hardline conservative


It's time to Occupy The ET Signal Capture with The Professionals.

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Message 1180879 - Posted: 27 Dec 2011, 3:37:19 UTC
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Finding an earthlike planet is no guarantee that intelligent life will be found on that planet. If earth was spotted and investigated just 100 million years ago a lot of life would have been found but no one to communicate with would have been here. And face it 100 million years in a universe that is 13.5 billion years old was just yesterday. SETI is more than just looking for life, the last letter stands for Intelligence which is a different search than the one for another earth or earthlike planet.
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Message 1180939 - Posted: 27 Dec 2011, 13:06:53 UTC - in response to Message 1180802.

educational sectors could do it much more efficiently and cost effectively.


Like SETI? And when has Education gotten results for their Trillions?


You tell me when R&D (education) has ever gotten "results" for their trillions. It would seem they have paid for it in spades and most private sector companies realize this, which is why they toss their trillions in R&D.

with significantly less funding than the government


Underfunded they do a terrible job. With enough funding, what a Catastrophe it would be.


Any proof to verify either claim?

as a hardline conservative


It's time to Occupy The ET Signal Capture with The Professionals.


Thankfully we have the SETI Project Admins on the job already.

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Message 1180956 - Posted: 27 Dec 2011, 16:31:14 UTC

Thankfully we have the SETI Project Admins on the job already.


Yes we do, and a good job they do as well. I think our friend Dull needs to cheer up before the New Year!

Message 1180998 - Posted: 27 Dec 2011, 20:37:00 UTC

1000, 10,000, 1,000,000 and more Earth-Like Planets discovered.

Signal Capture Device pointed at them and...nothing.

Since this type of Planet is where the Intelligence should be and no sigs, then what?

Continue to point at Earth-Likes? Certainly there is no need to point anywhere else.

One good result is Real Proof-the kind seen, felt and quantified-will have been found for A BlackHole.

The BlackHole where monies are donated to Find Intelligence.

Planet Moot will have been found.

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Message 1181018 - Posted: 27 Dec 2011, 22:28:21 UTC - in response to Message 1180998.

We're still in our infancy in searching for other intelligent civilizations. We have to narrow our scope to what signatures we can easily identify using the tools we have at our disposal. So yes, many potential planets will go unsearched, and many potential types of civilizations may go unfound because of our own limitations.

SETI@Home is just one of dozens of SETI projects looking for other intelligent civilizations, each with their own tools and search methods. SETI@Home is in the unique position of allowing anyone with a computer to help with the search simply by processing data.

Even if a signal is found via another project, that in no way negates searching for additional civilizations. The search will need to continue either way. In fact, finding one civilization may invigorate funding to find others, which could still mean good things for SETI@Home.

I think claiming SETI@Home is moot, or soon will be, is somewhat shortsighted and premature to assert.

Message 1181069 - Posted: 28 Dec 2011, 3:09:24 UTC

I think claiming SETI@Home is moot, or soon will be, is somewhat shortsighted and premature to assert.


Well, there is the The Rare Earth Hypothesis; Copernician Principle; and Fermi Paradox. And my own extensive readings of Evolutionary Biology. In fact I've read more about EB than anything else.

Add to all of that a sort of, gut feeling. Call it Star Dust Dullism, and I Believe, before Intelligent Signal Making Life is ever found, we will all be dust and so will many many generations to come.

Sort of a Life After People Thingee. You know, 100,000 years After People, Intelligent Life on Another Planet is found. And it won't be SETI. At least SETI on This Planet.

Can you dig it? I knew that you could.

No Biggee Really. Crunch to Your Heart's Content. I am. Even with The Above Statements and Others I've made.

It is called Insanity.

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Message 1181135 - Posted: 28 Dec 2011, 12:57:35 UTC - in response to Message 1181069.

I think claiming SETI@Home is moot, or soon will be, is somewhat shortsighted and premature to assert.


Well, there is the The Rare Earth Hypothesis; Copernician Principle; and Fermi Paradox. And my own extensive readings of Evolutionary Biology. In fact I've read more about EB than anything else.


You forgot to mention the rather pessimistic Drake Equation (although it is closely related to the Fermi Paradox). Even so, none of those theories suggest that SETI@Home is moot; they simply suggest that our chances are nil at best.

Add to all of that a sort of, gut feeling. Call it Star Dust Dullism, and I Believe, before Intelligent Signal Making Life is ever found, we will all be dust and so will many many generations to come.

Sort of a Life After People Thingee. You know, 100,000 years After People, Intelligent Life on Another Planet is found. And it won't be SETI. At least SETI on This Planet.


Agreed, but even the longest journey begins with a single step.

Can you dig it? I knew that you could.

No Biggee Really. Crunch to Your Heart's Content. I am. Even with The Above Statements and Others I've made.

It is called Insanity.


I sure can dig it. No reason we still can't try despite the odds being stacked against us.

...and it's only insanity if we keep doing the same thing expecting different results. We haven't really gotten any results, so methinks our sanity is safe so far.

Message 1181160 - Posted: 28 Dec 2011, 19:06:33 UTC

...and it's only insanity if we keep doing the same thing expecting different results


Good Set-Up OzzF4.

SETI is doing the same thing and expecting different results. The Same Thing is Crunching Ad infinitum knowing No Signal will be captured(it is so close to 100% suredom, it might as well be).

And, expecting The Different Result of A/The Signal from ETI.

Conclusion: Insanity

I see more Insane People Smiling, than I do Sane People Smiling. So, Cool Beans as they say.

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Message 1181181 - Posted: 28 Dec 2011, 20:45:55 UTC - in response to Message 1181160.

nope. they are not expect different results. They have a theory about interstellar communication. The Theory basically states that Intelligent beings would see the quiet Hyrdogen line as an excellent way to show themselves in their stellar neighborhood. We as intelligent beings listen to that area of the radio spectrum in an attempt to hear from other intelligent beings(outside of our own planet). So we listen and wait and listen some more. I don't expect anything. Neither do they.
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Message 1181197 - Posted: 28 Dec 2011, 21:45:07 UTC - in response to Message 1181160.

...and it's only insanity if we keep doing the same thing expecting different results


SETI is doing the same thing and expecting different results. The Same Thing is Crunching Ad infinitum knowing No Signal will be captured(it is so close to 100% suredom, it might as well be).

And, expecting The Different Result of A/The Signal from ETI.

Conclusion: Insanity


In one view, it is quite understandable to think that looking for a direct alien signal sent in our direction at a specific frequency range over and over again could be interpreted as insanity. However, if anyone in SETI (not just SETI@Home) actually felt that they "knew" no signal would be found, they wouldn't do it. Risk takers have always had to take slim chances to get to the big payout.

The difference in SETI's case is that they are doing this over a period of time because the absense of a signal at duration X doesn't mean it won't be there at duration Y. Most people involved with SETI understood that this is a very long-term project with a lofty goal.

To look at it another way, if you consider the length of time of the universe, then look at the length of time of our own planet's existence, then look at the length of time mankind has been around - our search for ETI has only been a tiny fraction of a nano-second in the grand scheme of things.

Given that grand of a timescale, it is easily understandable that very likely none of us will be around when the discovery is made (if it is made at all), but the journey still needs to start somewhere.

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