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Message 1210441 - Posted: 26 Mar 2012, 20:39:46 UTC - in response to Message 1210439.

WILL Germany pay for them all?


Well, if Merkel and Teacosy want to control Europe, they'll just have to pay up and look big won't they?



I don't think there's a teacosy big enough for their heads..... :)
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Message 1210447 - Posted: 26 Mar 2012, 20:47:57 UTC - in response to Message 1210434.

Agree if only one country leaves...but Italy, France, Spain Portugal, Ireland - that's 25% of the EU in trouble - WILL Germany pay for them all?

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Message 1210450 - Posted: 26 Mar 2012, 20:51:04 UTC

Welcome to the United States of Europe.


Thankyou comrade. Could you point me in the direction of the nearest soup kitchen?

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Message 1210493 - Posted: 26 Mar 2012, 22:16:49 UTC - in response to Message 1210450.

Welcome to the United States of Europe.


Thankyou comrade. Could you point me in the direction of the nearest soup kitchen?

There is one at the Union Rescue Mission in the Republik of California.

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Message 1210496 - Posted: 26 Mar 2012, 22:18:22 UTC - in response to Message 1210493.

Welcome to the United States of Europe.


Thankyou comrade. Could you point me in the direction of the nearest soup kitchen?

There is one at the Union Rescue Mission in the Republik of California.


Too far, couldn't you find one any nearer?
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Message 1210624 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 8:18:54 UTC

Ooooh, handbags at dawn :-))

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Message 1210725 - Posted: 27 Mar 2012, 15:01:24 UTC - in response to Message 1210624.

What's this I heard on NPR about a Cameron aide bragging that for the UK equivilent of $400,000 you can have a face to face meal with Cameron and put your 2 cents in to influence his Gov't. $80k will get you a group meal. How pleasant that the Brits have learned something from the American politicians. NExt they'll be offering Overnight stays at 10 Downing in the bed Thatcher occupied.
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Message 1211857 - Posted: 30 Mar 2012, 9:22:44 UTC

The end might be nearer than we think ....

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Message 1212264 - Posted: 31 Mar 2012, 10:23:12 UTC - in response to Message 1210432.


The EU will not be finished if Greece decides to leave. Germany will just be pissed off at having given so many billions to support them. You really must stop listening to the media Sirius, it's not doing your health any good :-)))


So how about this?

Spain being remaned to Greece?
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Message 1212290 - Posted: 31 Mar 2012, 11:37:43 UTC

Extinct? Doubt it, they're running the EU commission.......

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Message 1216818 - Posted: 11 Apr 2012, 11:12:01 UTC

Getting nearer all the time ....

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And yet I don't see why anyone is surprised in a world recession that Greece, Spain, Portugal, and Italy are all in trouble. All four basically survive on holidaymakers and tourists, which are in short supply when people tighten their belts. But Europe cannot afford not to bail them out, if we didn't and they effectively went broke, it would economically affect the rest of the world.

As the governments involved clearly can't run their own countries, perhaps there is a case for imposing a European led transitional government as the price for a bail-out. And by that I don't mean a Teacosy/Mekon led one, but some sort of international coalition government with representatives from all Euro nations.

Well why not, leaving them to their own devices isn't working.



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Message 1216869 - Posted: 11 Apr 2012, 15:09:00 UTC - in response to Message 1216818.

If left to their own currencies I suspect they might have done better. Then again, they would not have enjoyed the Euro bubble boost they got for 10 years or so.

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Message 1216909 - Posted: 11 Apr 2012, 16:57:31 UTC
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I don't think currency will have any effect anymore, negative or positive. I feel that's history.

The modern age has brought a true world economy. The historically well off nations will hurt for many years while the true value of their moneys moves ever closer to the value of the lesser nations money.

While everything balances out the dollar and euro and similar will be worth less and less, and the once lesser currencies will become worth more and corporate greed will eat that up like everything else, until someday the lack of distributed wealth on this planet will have 99.999% of us all struggling.

Economically and productively, China has become the 1950's USA. Who wants to move with me? (Obviously I kidd, I just wish for better for everyone)
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Message 1216921 - Posted: 11 Apr 2012, 17:34:59 UTC

Economically and productively, China has become the 1950's USA. Who wants to move with me? (Obviously I kidd, I just wish for better for everyone)


Most fairly intelligent people know that it is most likely that in 25 years time, if not before, Asia will rule the world. It is just not pc to say so at the moment. I'm just glad that I won't be around to live in it.

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Message 1216964 - Posted: 11 Apr 2012, 19:14:14 UTC - in response to Message 1216921.
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[quote]Economically and productively, China has become the 1950's USA. Who wants to move with me? (Obviously I kidd, I just wish for better for everyone)


Depends on whether they can grow their home consumption fast enough to keep
pace with their exports. It was home consumption that enabled America to
start booming they way they did and also to maintain this growth too.
Can China achieve the same?...that is the over-riding question...
Keeping an eye out for rising standards of living in China will give you the
answer to this.
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Message 1217035 - Posted: 11 Apr 2012, 22:17:08 UTC - in response to Message 1216921.

The thing is, for China there are some real issues. One, the hinterland, where hundreds of millions of Chinese live, is still VERY poor. Two, demographics -- one of the issues with the Chinese strict handling of 'one child' per couple is that China is entering into a phase of aging -- big time. In 25 years, the average age in China is going to be older than that of the US and approach that of Europe.

India has a different issue -- their population (which is about to outstrip that of China) is going to be very difficult to move out of poverty -- the educated classes -- sure, but the vast bulk of India remains even more poverty struck than China. The thing is, for both China and India, if only 25 to 30 per cent of your population is middle class and up, that is MORE than the entire population of the US.


Economically and productively, China has become the 1950's USA. Who wants to move with me? (Obviously I kidd, I just wish for better for everyone)


Most fairly intelligent people know that it is most likely that in 25 years time, if not before, Asia will rule the world. It is just not pc to say so at the moment. I'm just glad that I won't be around to live in it.

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Message 1217150 - Posted: 12 Apr 2012, 4:55:09 UTC

I don't think china has followed or enforced one child rule in quite some time. I could be mistaken however. curious.
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Message 1217209 - Posted: 12 Apr 2012, 9:34:45 UTC

In 2008, China's National Population and Family Planning Commission said that the policy will remain in place for at least another decade. In 2010, it was announced that the majority of the citizens initially subject to the policy are no longer of reproductive age and it has been speculated that many citizens simply disregard or violate the policy in more recent years. The deputy director of the Commission stated that the policy would remain unaltered until at least 2015. In March 2011, the Chinese government reviewed the policy and expressed considerations to allow for couples to have a second child.


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Message 1217285 - Posted: 12 Apr 2012, 14:37:33 UTC
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Crazy. But I'm confused how has their population boomed then? If this rule was enforced and followed, wouldn't china's population have halved by now instead of grown?
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Message 1217294 - Posted: 12 Apr 2012, 15:28:20 UTC - in response to Message 1217285.

Crazy. But I'm confused how has their population boomed then? If this rule was enforced and followed, wouldn't china's population have halved by now instead of grown?

It was only really applied to the masses in town and cities, oouldn't be policed in rural area's and the rich or party members could always find a way round the law. And you have to wait until the first generations under this law have died out to see the real consequences and the decrease in population.

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