Panic Mode On (62) Server problems?

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CLYDE Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Aug 99 Posts: 132 Credit: 9,924,722 RAC: 22,542	Message 1176472 - Posted: 8 Dec 2011, 11:04:18 UTC - in response to Message 1176091. Last modified: 8 Dec 2011, 11:06:51 UTC
	Wish I had such luck.... The way it's been working here, my top rig runs out of Seti due to repeated 'no work' responses and just a handful of issued tasks. It has a 0% share on Einstein, so when the GPU runs dry on Seti, it picks up several hours of Einstein work and persistently keeps trying to get work from Seti while that is being crunched. It manages to get something built up and goes back to it when the Einstein is done and then repeats the cycle. Of course, with today's outage coming up, it's gonna be doing Einstein for the next 12 hours or more. Only the slower hosts on the project could stay supplied with Seti work the way things are going right now. The servers have actually held up reasonably well considering the shorty pounding...if we could get a day or two with some datasets split that did not contain 95% VHAR we might be able to get a leg up on things.[/quote] MSATTLER: Just a question: If you set 'Resource share' to 0: What happens when the application nears Deadline? ____________
	ID: 1176472 ·

JohnDK Send message Joined: 28 May 00 Posts: 756 Credit: 20,523,745 RAC: 35,167	Message 1176487 - Posted: 8 Dec 2011, 13:44:54 UTC - in response to Message 1176472.
	Wish I had such luck.... The way it's been working here, my top rig runs out of Seti due to repeated 'no work' responses and just a handful of issued tasks. It has a 0% share on Einstein, so when the GPU runs dry on Seti, it picks up several hours of Einstein work and persistently keeps trying to get work from Seti while that is being crunched. It manages to get something built up and goes back to it when the Einstein is done and then repeats the cycle. Of course, with today's outage coming up, it's gonna be doing Einstein for the next 12 hours or more. Only the slower hosts on the project could stay supplied with Seti work the way things are going right now. The servers have actually held up reasonably well considering the shorty pounding...if we could get a day or two with some datasets split that did not contain 95% VHAR we might be able to get a leg up on things. Guess it's your BOINC 6.12.* that sucks... I stayed with 6.10.60 on my PCs, except when I started my old PC again I installed the new version thinking, it can't be that bad. But I ran out of work more than once and decided to go back to 6.10.60, and within a day or so I had a full cache and it have stayed that way. So my question is, will the BOINC team fix that clear problem in future versions ?
	ID: 1176487 ·

perryjay Send message Joined: 20 Aug 02 Posts: 3359 Credit: 9,666,903 RAC: 10,029	Message 1176495 - Posted: 8 Dec 2011, 15:01:20 UTC - in response to Message 1176472.
	Clyde, If you set the resource share to zero, you only pick up work for that project when your main project is out of work. When that zero project has work it will run them until it finishes all of them it has downloaded and then if your main project has work it will start back on it. It shouldn't load so much of your backup project as to run into any problem with deadlines. ____________ PROUD MEMBER OF Team Starfire World BOINC
	ID: 1176495 ·

j tramer Send message Joined: 6 Oct 03 Posts: 217 Credit: 4,511,543 RAC: 3,455	Message 1176498 - Posted: 8 Dec 2011, 15:52:40 UTC
	same crap different day.....i cant get enough work to last more than a couple of hours....that why i left before....back to the same crap
	ID: 1176498 ·

jravin Send message Joined: 25 Mar 02 Posts: 717 Credit: 61,389,555 RAC: 70,545	Message 1176500 - Posted: 8 Dec 2011, 16:01:47 UTC - in response to Message 1176495.
	Clyde, If you set the resource share to zero, you only pick up work for that project when your main project is out of work. When that zero project has work it will run them until it finishes all of them it has downloaded and then if your main project has work it will start back on it. It shouldn't load so much of your backup project as to run into any problem with deadlines. Awhile back, when I was running a couple of share 0 projects against SETI, to avoid unused cycles when SETI was bad, IIRC it D/L WUs for those projects 1 at a time per CPU/GPU so as to not build up a queue. Does BOINC still have the same behavior? ____________
	ID: 1176500 ·

Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 22787 Credit: 4,526,296 RAC: 5,598	Message 1176501 - Posted: 8 Dec 2011, 16:07:29 UTC
	The boys in the lab will probably just jumpstart the rigs again when they get in in the morning and all will be well It's Just gone 8AM in Berkeley and the cricket graph is looking more positive, someone kicked something :-)
	ID: 1176501 ·

msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 34199 Credit: 345,341,833 RAC: 552,811	Message 1176503 - Posted: 8 Dec 2011, 16:35:13 UTC - in response to Message 1176495.
	Clyde, If you set the resource share to zero, you only pick up work for that project when your main project is out of work. When that zero project has work it will run them until it finishes all of them it has downloaded and then if your main project has work it will start back on it. It shouldn't load so much of your backup project as to run into any problem with deadlines. That's the way it's been working....and probably will continue to at the rate the rig is (or is not) getting Seti work. When 1 GPU goes idle, it downloads a batch of Einstein tasks, about 10-20, not sure exactly. It then finishes the Seti work on the remaining 3 GPUs and works on the batch of Einstein tasks until they have finished. If there is Seti work that has been downloaded in the interim, Einstein does not request new work and goes back to the Seti tasks when the Einstein is done and will stay on them until a GPU goes dry again. ____________ ****** "Ask not, what your kitty can do for you. Ask what you can do for your kitty." As it is kitten, so shall it be done.
	ID: 1176503 ·

john3760 Send message Joined: 9 Feb 11 Posts: 323 Credit: 3,179,884 RAC: 18,931	Message 1176504 - Posted: 8 Dec 2011, 16:35:31 UTC - in response to Message 1176501. Last modified: 8 Dec 2011, 16:36:01 UTC
	uploading again !!
	ID: 1176504 ·

VBobier Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 40846 Credit: 32,139,934 RAC: 18,994	Message 1176516 - Posted: 8 Dec 2011, 17:16:50 UTC - in response to Message 1176471. Last modified: 8 Dec 2011, 17:18:24 UTC
	It's 38 degrees F in Berkeley. Is it about 4 C? So cold in CA? I'm shocked! It was 2.5C, Now It's a warm 4.2C. DA?(that's all of My Russian) As to uploads, the last of mine finally went through, now if some results will report. ____________ BSG Anthem My Facebook page
	ID: 1176516 ·

msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 34199 Credit: 345,341,833 RAC: 552,811	Message 1176519 - Posted: 8 Dec 2011, 17:24:17 UTC - in response to Message 1176516.
	It's 38 degrees F in Berkeley. Is it about 4 C? So cold in CA? I'm shocked! It was 2.5C, Now It's a warm 4.2C. DA?(that's all of My Russian) As to uploads, the last of mine finally went through, now if some results will report. Reporting is working fine here. Just not much in the way of new WUs being sent in exchange for the ones reported. ____________ ****** "Ask not, what your kitty can do for you. Ask what you can do for your kitty." As it is kitten, so shall it be done.
	ID: 1176519 ·

N9JFE Send message Joined: 4 Oct 99 Posts: 2564 Credit: 8,453,337 RAC: 14,940	Message 1176524 - Posted: 8 Dec 2011, 17:52:06 UTC - in response to Message 1176519.
	As to uploads, the last of mine finally went through, now if some results will report. Reporting is working fine here. Just not much in the way of new WUs being sent in exchange for the ones reported. When whatever was down got kicked and the crickets came back to life, the blue line jumped above its normal average, as it usually does after such an event. This makes me think bandwidth isn't restricting uploading/reporting and the blue line's normal is where it should be for the given amount of work going out. (Does that either A: make sense, or B: state something incredibly obvious?) ____________ David Sitting on my butt while others boldly go, Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri.
	ID: 1176524 ·

Terror Australis Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 14 Feb 04 Posts: 1417 Credit: 182,125,134 RAC: 161,308	Message 1176529 - Posted: 8 Dec 2011, 18:23:41 UTC
	Maybe it's just me being cynical but has anyone else noticed that major problems always seem to occur when there's a funding drive on ? The same sh*t happened in December last year as is happening now. T.A.
	ID: 1176529 ·

j tramer Send message Joined: 6 Oct 03 Posts: 217 Credit: 4,511,543 RAC: 3,455	Message 1176532 - Posted: 8 Dec 2011, 18:31:44 UTC
	hmmmmmmmmmm...... i think your right about fund raisng
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HAL9000 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 11 Sep 99 Posts: 3279 Credit: 76,927,267 RAC: 78,383	Message 1176533 - Posted: 8 Dec 2011, 18:33:06 UTC - in response to Message 1176529.
	Maybe it's just me being cynical but has anyone else noticed that major problems always seem to occur when there's a funding drive on ? The same sh*t happened in December last year as is happening now. T.A. I'm pretty sure things have taken a giant dump several other times during the past year. I don't think the hardware gets offended when they ask for money to fix/replace it. With the longer holidays in Nov/Dec I would expect they spend less time babysitting everything. ____________ SETI@home classic workunits: 93,865 CPU time: 863,447 hours Join the BP6/VP6 User Group today!
	ID: 1176533 ·

SciManStev Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 20 Jun 99 Posts: 4297 Credit: 63,051,899 RAC: 73,580	Message 1176536 - Posted: 8 Dec 2011, 18:46:07 UTC
	One of the problems is that every year they get a small fraction of what they actually need. It's too bad we haven't been able to find a doner with really, really deep pockets, not to fund Seti for the future, but at least to catch up on where it should be at the moment. If I could, I would, but at the moment that is just a dream..... Steve ____________ Warning, addicted to SETI crunching! Crunching as a member of GPU Users Group. GPUUG Website
	ID: 1176536 ·

Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 5059 Credit: 40,966,515 RAC: 52,862	Message 1176537 - Posted: 8 Dec 2011, 18:49:41 UTC - in response to Message 1176533. Last modified: 8 Dec 2011, 18:50:10 UTC
	When i went to bed there were 100s of WUs wating to upload. Got up this morning & most of them had cleared, but now there are new uploads backing up. The upload server is having issues again. Combined with most requests for work resulting in "Project has no tasks available" has resulted in one machine running out of GPU work & the other will run out in a couple of hours. ____________ Grant Darwin NT.
	ID: 1176537 ·

Richard Haselgrove Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 7461 Credit: 39,744,953 RAC: 34,238	Message 1176538 - Posted: 8 Dec 2011, 18:56:39 UTC - in response to Message 1176533.
	Maybe it's just me being cynical but has anyone else noticed that major problems always seem to occur when there's a funding drive on ? The same sh*t happened in December last year as is happening now. T.A. I'm pretty sure things have taken a giant dump several other times during the past year. I don't think the hardware gets offended when they ask for money to fix/replace it. With the longer holidays in Nov/Dec I would expect they spend less time babysitting everything. Another possible source of correlation is that whenever there's a fundraising drive, we hear from people who have drifted away from crunching over the months and years, but are reminded about the project by the fundraising email - and then come back to crunching, at least for a while. In short, the funding drive can actually put an extra strain on the servers, and not just from the effort of processing all those emails :P
	ID: 1176538 ·

Sten-Arne Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 1 Nov 08 Posts: 2688 Credit: 7,720,269 RAC: 24,199	Message 1176561 - Posted: 8 Dec 2011, 20:31:34 UTC
	Well I can't complain over upload or download problems. I have WUs to last me over at least one more weekly outage, probably two outages.... ____________ /The grumpy old Swede. "I'm so old, that 98% of all trees in the forest, are younger than I am"
	ID: 1176561 ·

perryjay Send message Joined: 20 Aug 02 Posts: 3359 Credit: 9,666,903 RAC: 10,029	Message 1176566 - Posted: 8 Dec 2011, 20:47:54 UTC - in response to Message 1176539.
	I am trying to get any further news about that mysterious object which supposedly has been spotted close to the planet Mercury. Sorry, my ride slipped out. I've moved it back where it belongs so you can quit worrying about it. Move along, nothing to see here. This is not the spaceship you were looking for. ____________ PROUD MEMBER OF Team Starfire World BOINC
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