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Message 1174015 - Posted: 27 Nov 2011, 8:14:48 UTC
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Message 1174033 - Posted: 27 Nov 2011, 10:58:00 UTC - in response to Message 1174015.

Millions of users and only a handful can read and write it would seem.


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Message 1174180 - Posted: 28 Nov 2011, 1:20:44 UTC
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Message 1174182 - Posted: 28 Nov 2011, 2:10:43 UTC - in response to Message 1174180.

Karma, maybe?
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Message 1174245 - Posted: 28 Nov 2011, 13:04:52 UTC - in response to Message 1174180.

It's because those of us with conservative views get hidden and banned.


No messages intended to annoy or antagonize other people, or to hijack a thread.
No messages that are deliberately hostile or insulting.

If you follow the rules you don't get banned or hidden.

If you put a reasonable case and make a reasonable point rather than resorting to calling those who disagree with you a "Commie F*g" or similar you will be treated with respect by those that disagree with you.

It seems to me that some who profess a "Conservative" viewpoint have some very strange, very limited and unrealistic ideas.

In Australia a lot of my views would be considered conservative but by the standards of some on these boards I fly the "Hammer and Sickle" from the flagpole out the front of my house. This is because I believe that a "Society" is a co-operative group, not a bunch of solitary individuals sharing a street.

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Message 1174252 - Posted: 28 Nov 2011, 13:16:01 UTC - in response to Message 1174245.
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In Australia a lot of my views would be considered conservative but by the standards of some on these boards I fly the "Hammer and Sickle" from the flagpole out the front of my house. This is because I believe that a "Society" is a co-operative group, not a bunch of solitary individuals sharing a street.

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I could not agree more, 'overblown ego's', 'power hungry', money and narcism, is killing this "socieïty", atleast Euro(pe)............
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(Can/will you check if in your quote, a word is [i]linked to web-page, advertising for the new iPhone@#$%^&*. In my browser window the word lot, is used.) I call this [i]WEB-Terror!!!
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Message 1174261 - Posted: 28 Nov 2011, 13:55:27 UTC

Socialism is what is ruining Europe.

In the past Sweden, for example, and other Scandinavian countries made socialism work because they had an ethnically common populace that had a good work ethic to go along with a proper sense of humanity . You may no longer have those ideal conditions and therefore should consider change.

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Message 1174286 - Posted: 28 Nov 2011, 16:45:02 UTC - in response to Message 1174261.

Socialism is what is ruining Europe.

In the past Sweden, for example, and other Scandinavian countries made socialism work because they had an ethnically common populace that had a good work ethic to go along with a proper sense of humanity . You may no longer have those ideal conditions and therefore should consider change.

I would disagree with you on that. What screwed Europe was CDO's, dodgy "Credit Default Swaps", etc. Purchased with US dollars borrowed at artificially low interest rates. Combined with the totally falsified (by Goldman Sachs) accounts of the Greek government which gained Greece entry into the Eurozone.

European banks were caught by the "Wall Steet Disease" and the European governments, prompted by their bankers, made the mistake of bailing them out instead of letting the "Free Market" run its course.

Bankrupting your country by borrowing money from the corrupt sleazebags that started the whole mess to bail out other corrupt sleazebags is not Socialism. It's chickens coming home to roost and unfortunately its the general population that will carry the can on this for generations to come.

Maybe it is a form of Socialism, but it's the debt that has been socialised while the profits have always been privatised.

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Message 1174326 - Posted: 28 Nov 2011, 18:25:06 UTC - in response to Message 1174245.

I understand the 'locational socialism' -- When I lived in Connecticut back in the 70's, I was a moderate Republican (in the context of New England politics), I moved to Arizona and found that I was, by local standards, something of a left wing radical. Since then, while politics have varied a bit over the years, this state has swung even further to the right.

Nationally, notwithstanding the rants of the TeaPublican party partisans, the Democratic party has moved quite a bit toward centrist views. Budget proposals coming from Obama in the summer included something like a 30% revenue hike and a 70% budget cut - though most of that cut was more in prospective reductions of increases that have already been legislated.

The position of the TeaPublicans has consistently been for major cuts in entitlements and no tax changes (except those which shift the tax burden from the 'overburdened' wealthy to the 'freeloading' poor and middle class.

Recently, the Democrats have begun to react to the intransigence they encounter by suggesting approaches less centrist -- figuring that extremes met with compromises haven't yielded agreements.

What I hear from the flock of TeaPublican candidates for the TeaPublican party nomination is largely right wing sound bites not in the least responsive to the issues at stake -- so I've gotten a bit more strident myself.



In Australia a lot of my views would be considered conservative but by the standards of some on these boards I fly the "Hammer and Sickle" from the flagpole out the front of my house. This is because I believe that a "Society" is a co-operative group, not a bunch of solitary individuals sharing a street.

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Message 1174328 - Posted: 28 Nov 2011, 18:30:59 UTC - in response to Message 1174261.

One thing that is causing major problems in Europe is demographics -- whether that be from immigrants, or from the significant aging of the native population, it is clearly a challenge. Another issue is tax evasion of the existing tax structure (particularly true in southern Europe countries such as Greece and Italy). I suspect that tax evasion is actually focused on those 'ethnically common' folks as they have the money to hide. A third issue (and this applies to countries such as France, Italy and Spain, is the disincentives to hiring permanent employees -- this increases unemployment and thus undermines growth.

But to say that socialism is ruining Europe is both an oversimplification and an exaggeration of the role of socialism in the economic ailments of Europe.

Socialism is what is ruining Europe.

In the past Sweden, for example, and other Scandinavian countries made socialism work because they had an ethnically common populace that had a good work ethic to go along with a proper sense of humanity . You may no longer have those ideal conditions and therefore should consider change.

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Message 1174349 - Posted: 28 Nov 2011, 19:17:56 UTC - in response to Message 1174252.

Fred, you might want to check your browser add ons and bars. I have none of the symptoms you seem to be experiencing. I have had in the past things install themselves to try and "help"(with help like that who needs hinderance).




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Message 1174415 - Posted: 28 Nov 2011, 23:13:48 UTC - in response to Message 1174328.
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But to say that socialism is ruining Europe is both an oversimplification and an exaggeration of the role of socialism in the economic ailments of Europe.

Socialism is what is ruining Europe.

In the past Sweden, for example, and other Scandinavian countries made socialism work because they had an ethnically common populace that had a good work ethic to go along with a proper sense of humanity . You may no longer have those ideal conditions and therefore should consider change.



Aww, why challenge dogma with facts? Of course it's socialism's fault, that's why Swedish bonds attract such lousy interest rates (10 year Government Bonds have a 2.51% yield), compared to the US (2.29%) and the UK (2.56%). Clearly the markets have decided that socialist Sweden is a risky place to invest ...

Blast, looks like those numbers may be a little out of date. More Googling.

From the Financial Times:

Sweden 1.71%
US 1.97%
UK 2.26%

The lower the yield, the less the market is charging the respective government to borrow money, i.e. the more comfortable the market is with prevailing economic conditions ...
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Message 1174462 - Posted: 29 Nov 2011, 3:57:09 UTC - in response to Message 1174415.

It just means that Italy under Berlustconi ended up being more than four times more socialist than Sweden. Oh wait....



Sweden 1.71%
US 1.97%
UK 2.26%

The lower the yield, the less the market is charging the respective government to borrow money, i.e. the more comfortable the market is with prevailing economic conditions ...

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Message 1174519 - Posted: 29 Nov 2011, 11:49:24 UTC - in response to Message 1174462.

Zounds ! It means that the socialist policies of entitlements and handouts in the US has created proportionately more debt than even Sweden which does not pretend to be other than socialist.

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Message 1174525 - Posted: 29 Nov 2011, 13:17:33 UTC - in response to Message 1174519.

Zounds ! It means that the socialist policies of entitlements and handouts in the US has created proportionately more debt than even Sweden which does not pretend to be other than socialist.


Perhaps it's the difference in taxation policies that have created the greater debt in the US than Sweden...
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Message 1174568 - Posted: 29 Nov 2011, 17:00:39 UTC - in response to Message 1174525.

Zounds ! It means that the socialist policies of entitlements and handouts in the US has created proportionately more debt than even Sweden which does not pretend to be other than socialist.


Perhaps it's the difference in taxation policies that have created the greater debt in the US than Sweden...

He's correct but the socialism that he is talking about is the handouts to the wealthy. The poor have little to do with the debt problems in this country other than being burdens with paying it instead of those that can most afford to do so.
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Message 1174570 - Posted: 29 Nov 2011, 17:04:46 UTC - in response to Message 1174568.

Zounds ! It means that the socialist policies of entitlements and handouts in the US has created proportionately more debt than even Sweden which does not pretend to be other than socialist.


Perhaps it's the difference in taxation policies that have created the greater debt in the US than Sweden...

He's correct but the socialism that he is talking about is the handouts to the wealthy. The poor have little to do with the debt problems in this country other than being burdens with paying it instead of those that can most afford to do so.



"Fiftyseven channels and nothing's on"

REally 190 posts in and you're already complaining? perhaps you should look at other projects and see how lively their forums are. Besides if your eye offends thee pluck it out. Or failing that entertain us and yourself with what you deem important. I'll admit that at times the forums can be a bit slow but I fail to see any reason to slam people because we don't entertain you the way you want us to do.
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Message 1174676 - Posted: 30 Nov 2011, 5:02:52 UTC - in response to Message 1174570.

Well, at least you responded to my post. I was a member of the community at Space.com until they decided to pull the plug on their forum site and become part of facebook. You are right, no one is forcing me to participate in these forums. And I wasn't criticizing as much as just making an observation about the lack of relevant subject matter.
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Message 1174720 - Posted: 30 Nov 2011, 19:08:44 UTC - in response to Message 1174676.

Again... relevant to who.. or is it whom?
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Message 1174723 - Posted: 30 Nov 2011, 19:16:30 UTC

You are right, no one is forcing me to participate in these forums


No they aren't, but I think you make a relevant contribution.

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