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Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
The definition of "Capitalism" doesn't have much to say about producing. Whilst people feel they should be rewarded for their efforts through work then there will always be Capitalism present. Whilst people feel they should be rewarded through other peoples efforts and work then there will always be followers of Socialism. Presently this world can not survive on Socialism alone for it would just not pay the rent for most of us presently residing on this planet. Capitalism is an ability, Socialism is a belief and there is no way a belief can conquer an ability if most people wish they had this ability themselves. Communism tried it's hand at conquering this ability and in the end it totally failed. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
The definition of "Capitalism" doesn't have much to say about producing. Where do you get that Socialism is being rewarded for other people's successes? From each ... to each ... .. I think your way is stretching it. |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
The definition of "Capitalism" doesn't have much to say about producing. Sarge, replace "successes" with my original word of "efforts"...you naughty boy !... The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30640 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
We have pure socialist "economies" on this planet today. You likely can't name them however. Something to ponder. I put the word economies in quotes because the pure versions of them are so brilliantly successful that they don't even register in the scheme of this world. Where can you find them? Look in places like the Amazon for lost tribes, look to the South Pacific islands where the local language doesn't have a word for ownership or time. This is the best success of pure socialism on the planet. Is this what you pine for? Subsistence? The successful parts of the world are in part based on Capitalism. Capitalism is the worst form of economy except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Gary, true, but that does not mean we should not try to do better. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
We have pure socialist "economies" on this planet today. You likely can't name them however. Something to ponder. DO I personally pine for subsistence? No. I think you and I have some common ground. Did you not say something in the last few months about people being driven to buy things they do not really want or need all that much, and that one of the driving forces is external? Madison Avenue? How about capitalism based on legitimate wants and needs? Not produce whatever, convince people they need it, make them want it, etc. ... . |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30640 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Gary, true, but that does not mean we should not try to do better. Yes, we should try for better. We also should not repeat the mistakes of the past. There is a saying to remember; "A stupid decision made by millions of people, is still a stupid decision." |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
OK -- so socialism is a mistake, communism is a mistake, and as we've seen over the past decade, capitalism is a mistake. I'd also suggest in the 'mistakes not to be repeated' we can include fascism, autocracy, autaky (that's single nation economies), oligarchy. Any others to exclude -- trying to figure what that would leave us with as well. [/quote] Yes, we should try for better. We also should not repeat the mistakes of the past. There is a saying to remember; "A stupid decision made by millions of people, is still a stupid decision." [/quote] |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
What we need is a benevolent, all knowing dictator. They are few and far between, Lee Kwan You (Harry) in Singapore comes close as far as I know. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
What we need is a benevolent, all knowing dictator. They are few and far between, Lee Kwan You (Harry) in Singapore comes close as far as I know. I suspect you do not really mean that. Besudes ... "all knowing"? Dream on! |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
Well, not really, and they vary in 'performance' a great deal from one to another. Further, that design definitely does not scale well. Kibbutz's seem to work quite well, or did, but there has been radical re-structuring since the collapse of communism. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Gary Charpentier said in the UK Riots thread: The root cause of the riots is Madison Avenue. They have done such a fantastic job of creating demand that people who have no chance in life of owning an item now have a burning desire for it and feel entitled to have it. The result is criminality to obtain it to satisfy the false desire. Uh, is that like lying on a loan application to buy a house? |
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