They haven't landed yet!


log in

Advanced search

Message boards : SETI@home Science : They haven't landed yet!

1 · 2 · Next
Author Message
Profile Ageless
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 9 Jun 99
Posts: 12460
Credit: 2,688,798
RAC: 1,220
Netherlands
Message 1169031 - Posted: 7 Nov 2011, 23:01:02 UTC

From https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#%21/response/searching-et-no-evidence-yet, yes, it's official:

Official White House Response to formally acknowledge an extraterrestrial presence engaging the human race - Disclosure. and 1 other petition.

Searching for ET, But No Evidence Yet

By Phil Larson

Thank you for signing the petition asking the Obama Administration to acknowledge an extraterrestrial presence here on Earth.

The U.S. government has no evidence that any life exists outside our planet, or that an extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged any member of the human race. In addition, there is no credible information to suggest that any evidence is being hidden from the public's eye.

However, that doesn't mean the subject of life outside our planet isn't being discussed or explored. In fact, there are a number of projects working toward the goal of understanding if life can or does exist off Earth. Here are a few examples:

SETI—the Search for ExtraTerrestrial Intelligence—was originally stood up with help from NASA, but has since been moved to other sources of private funding. SETI's main purpose is to act as a giant ear on behalf of the human race, pointing an array of ground-based telescopes towards space to listen for any signal from another world.

Kepler is a NASA spacecraft in orbit that's main goal is to search for Earth-like planets. Such a planet would be located in the "Goldilocks" zone of a distant solar system—not too hot and not too cold—and could potentially be habitable by life as we know it. The Kepler mission is specifically designed to survey our region of the Milky Way galaxy to discover Earth-sized, rocky planets in or near the habitable zone of the star (sun) they orbit.

The Mars Science Laboratory, Curiosity, is an automobile-sized rover that NASA is launching soon. The rover's onboard laboratory will study rocks, soils, and other geology in an effort to detect the chemical building blocks of life (e.g., forms of carbon) on Mars and will assess what the Martian environment was like in the past to see if it could have harbored life.

A last point: Many scientists and mathematicians have looked with a statistical mindset at the question of whether life likely exists beyond Earth and have come to the conclusion that the odds are pretty high that somewhere among the trillions and trillions of stars in the universe there is a planet other than ours that is home to life.

Many have also noted, however, that the odds of us making contact with any of them—especially any intelligent ones—are extremely small, given the distances involved.

But that's all statistics and speculation. The fact is we have no credible evidence of extraterrestrial presence here on Earth.

Phil Larson works on space policy and communications at the White House Office of Science & Technology Policy

Relevant Links:

SETI
NASA Kepler Mission
NASA Mars Science Laboratory


____________
Jord

Fighting for the correct use of the apostrophe, together with Weird Al Yankovic

Profile Johnney Guinness
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 11 Sep 06
Posts: 3093
Credit: 2,651,675
RAC: 101
Ireland
Message 1169047 - Posted: 8 Nov 2011, 0:23:56 UTC
Last modified: 8 Nov 2011, 0:26:47 UTC

Interesting Jord,
Well at least the Whitehouse are not boldly denying the possibility of life outside Earth. They are saying that it is possible, just we don't have any definitive proof.

The statement is factual, scientific, open-minded and sounds like a very fair statement. I don't see any real flaw in the statement. Unless they have made contact and they just are not going to tell us - But i feel thats unlikely, i believe them.

John.
____________

Profile SciManStevProject donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 20 Jun 99
Posts: 4905
Credit: 84,284,686
RAC: 27,000
United States
Message 1169048 - Posted: 8 Nov 2011, 0:26:12 UTC - in response to Message 1169047.

Interesting Jord,
Well at least the Whitehouse are not boldly denying the possibility of life outside Earth. They are saying that it is possible, just we don't have any definitive proof.

The statement is factual, scientific, open-minded and sounds like a very fair statement. I don't see any real flaw in the statement.

John.

I agree completely!

Steve
____________
Warning, addicted to SETI crunching!
Crunching as a member of GPU Users Group.
GPUUG Website

Profile Lint trap
Send message
Joined: 30 May 03
Posts: 871
Credit: 28,060,519
RAC: 12,220
United States
Message 1169052 - Posted: 8 Nov 2011, 1:12:58 UTC

Many have also noted, however, that the odds of us making contact with any of them—especially any intelligent ones—are extremely small, given the distances involved.


ummmm, what was the other Option?? Making contact with UNintelligent aliens!!

I'm sorry, But I'll need something more Authoritative than a statement from anyone on the WH Payroll before I believe it, Hook, Line and Sinker...


Lt


Profile William Rothamel
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 25 Oct 06
Posts: 2642
Credit: 1,180,227
RAC: 12
United States
Message 1169385 - Posted: 9 Nov 2011, 10:17:22 UTC - in response to Message 1169052.

The statement is accurate.

Profile Chris SProject donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 19 Nov 00
Posts: 32626
Credit: 14,483,343
RAC: 13,240
United Kingdom
Message 1169591 - Posted: 9 Nov 2011, 22:46:17 UTC

I have to agree.

What they are NOT saying is what they may privately believe .....

Profile Bob DeWoody
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 9 May 10
Posts: 1740
Credit: 583,045
RAC: 35
United States
Message 1169981 - Posted: 11 Nov 2011, 6:18:27 UTC

What? No conspiracy? I think the statement is honest and concise.
____________
Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

Profile Lint trap
Send message
Joined: 30 May 03
Posts: 871
Credit: 28,060,519
RAC: 12,220
United States
Message 1170281 - Posted: 12 Nov 2011, 0:17:15 UTC - in response to Message 1169981.


I quoted what I did because I don't think we really "make contact" with any life possible. If the life. or its remnants, arrived on Earth by surviving a meteor ride to the surface, is that still making contact?

Maybe my idea is biased, but I thought that "contact" would require the discovery of, or a meeting with, a tool building, sentient lifeform capable of abstract thinking. Such a creature, in whatever form it has, would qualify as intelligent.

Phil Larson seemed to indicate that we could make contact with other than intelligent life.

That is my only gripe about his statement.

Lt

Profile Jason Safoutin
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 8 Sep 05
Posts: 1386
Credit: 200,389
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1170589 - Posted: 12 Nov 2011, 20:34:51 UTC
Last modified: 12 Nov 2011, 20:35:25 UTC

Well I have to agree...at least about 80%. I still think they know a lot more about the possibility or existence of another species, intelligent or not, than what they are telling us. NASA has at least 2 cards left to play: 1) Announce they have found life, microbial or mammal, on another planet (most likely place is one of several moons in our own solar system) or 2) Announce they have found proof of an intelligent alien species that existed in the past or present and have made or intend to make contact with said species (NASA has that second card to play assuming they discover a signal or etc. before any other agency or citizen etc.). Once those cards are played the only real thing left is getting to those places if not in our own backyard and frankly light speed or getting anything near it is not as fascinating as talking to another alien. So once one of those two things happen, then what...you know? So for them its like 'meh.' If you ask me they have a lot of hard evidence to say there may very well mammal life in oceans under the ice surfaces of at least one of Jupiter's and Saturn's moons, but are stalling announcing it. I always asked the question: Why have they paid much less attention to these moons? Why haven't they really planned on sending probes or rovers or etc. to these things? Well i pretty much answered those questions...
____________
"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible". Hebrews 11.3

Profile Bob DeWoody
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 9 May 10
Posts: 1740
Credit: 583,045
RAC: 35
United States
Message 1170676 - Posted: 13 Nov 2011, 6:34:43 UTC
Last modified: 13 Nov 2011, 6:35:31 UTC

As much as I would like to learn of alien beings or life somewhere besides earth I think there is no reason to believe the US government or any other for that matter has proof positive of such matters.

Intelligent life capable of achieving the same level or better of advancement that we have reached most likely does exist somewhere in our galaxy and many times over in the universe. Whether or not we will ever be presented proof of their existence is another story. A lot depends on how much of what we think to be true regarding the speed of light is actually true.

I doubt that an intelligent race of beings given the capability of interstellar travel would be stupid enough to make contact with us. We are just too unpredictably hostile toward anything we don't understand. A shoot first and ask questions later policy isn't very conducive to making new friends.
____________
Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

Profile Chris SProject donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 19 Nov 00
Posts: 32626
Credit: 14,483,343
RAC: 13,240
United Kingdom
Message 1170714 - Posted: 13 Nov 2011, 12:14:51 UTC

As much as I would like to learn of alien beings or life somewhere besides earth I think there is no reason to believe the US government or any other for that matter has proof positive of such matters.


I would broadly agree. But I am sure that every major world power also has sightinga and other anomolies that just cannot be explained by todays knowlege. I reckon they are 99.9% sure there is no ET, but are privately keeping their options open on the 0.1%.

Profile William Rothamel
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 25 Oct 06
Posts: 2642
Credit: 1,180,227
RAC: 12
United States
Message 1170730 - Posted: 13 Nov 2011, 15:27:06 UTC - in response to Message 1170714.

Where would they come from and how would they get here ??

Profile Chris SProject donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 19 Nov 00
Posts: 32626
Credit: 14,483,343
RAC: 13,240
United Kingdom
Message 1170735 - Posted: 13 Nov 2011, 15:32:42 UTC

Where would they come from and how would they get here ??


Ah, well that is the enigma isn't it :-) If they are there, and if they did, or do come, where from indeed?

We either have a secret planet in the solar system not yet discovered, or they have faster than light drives from the nearest stars. I doubt if you or I will know in our lifetimes ....

Profile Johnney Guinness
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 11 Sep 06
Posts: 3093
Credit: 2,651,675
RAC: 101
Ireland
Message 1170895 - Posted: 14 Nov 2011, 3:39:00 UTC - in response to Message 1170735.

Where would they come from and how would they get here ??


Ah, well that is the enigma isn't it :-) If they are there, and if they did, or do come, where from indeed?

We either have a secret planet in the solar system not yet discovered, or they have faster than light drives from the nearest stars. I doubt if you or I will know in our lifetimes ....


Thats where your wrong Chris,
You haven't lost faith in the things i have said here in the last few months, have you? Even if its just a slim possibility that i have been speaking the truth about my investigation, leave the possibility open. Yes, its possible that old Johnney Guinness here was telling you all a pack of lies. But maybe i really do have something. My research continues, i'm now in the 11th month of my research.

You will all see and hear great things in the next few years, i promise you!

John.
____________

Profile Chris SProject donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 19 Nov 00
Posts: 32626
Credit: 14,483,343
RAC: 13,240
United Kingdom
Message 1170951 - Posted: 14 Nov 2011, 12:27:43 UTC

Thats where your wrong Chris, You haven't lost faith in the things i have said here in the last few months, have you?


Nothing to do with losing faith Johnney. I have always been open to hear your theories, and in time the things you say you have discovered.

You will all see and hear great things in the next few years, i promise you!


Well, earlier this year you did indicate that the future publication of these findings of yours might be measured in months. Now you are saying in a few years time? This is not to decry your work, but I and others had thought this information to be rather more imminent than that.

Profile Johnney Guinness
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 11 Sep 06
Posts: 3093
Credit: 2,651,675
RAC: 101
Ireland
Message 1171079 - Posted: 15 Nov 2011, 0:56:28 UTC - in response to Message 1170951.
Last modified: 15 Nov 2011, 1:06:31 UTC

Thats where your wrong Chris, You haven't lost faith in the things i have said here in the last few months, have you?


Nothing to do with losing faith Johnney. I have always been open to hear your theories, and in time the things you say you have discovered.

You will all see and hear great things in the next few years, i promise you!


Well, earlier this year you did indicate that the future publication of these findings of yours might be measured in months. Now you are saying in a few years time? This is not to decry your work, but I and others had thought this information to be rather more imminent than that.

Chris,
I made the first major break-through on December 29th 2010. I didn't say anything to anyone until roughly around April this year when i first started chatting about it on these SETI science forums. But the one thing i said all along Chris was that i did not know how long it was going to take to decode the information i had. I need to be sure, 100% sure, scientifically sure before i go public.

My initial time estimate was somewhere between a few weeks, to anything up to a year. This is November and i'm 10 months into decoding the information. Now at this stage i can give you a more accurate time scale.

Initially i thought i could decode the information much faster. But 10 months into the decoding, i now know its going to take more time to be 100% sure about what i have. At this stage, i have built up a massive bank of data and information that will assist me in decoding the information i have. The single biggest impediment to progress at the moment is the speed of my own personal ability to learn very advanced degree level science. I have to learn nuclear physics, chemical engineering, genetic engineering and a pile of other very difficult scientific topics. Thats not easy Chris, its like going to collage and doing 3 separate degree courses all at the one time.

So even when i have parts of the information decoded, i still have to hold off until i have sufficient scientific evidence built up to convince even the most hardened skeptics like Ozzfan. Once i go public, there will be a thousand people just like Ozzfan ready and waiting to knock my theory and evidence on the head. So i need to be ready for them, and have the scientific answers to back-up my evidence. My evidence needs to be 100% concrete scientific evidence, otherwise its not worth publishing. Its all or nothing!

So my current estimate is sometime near the end of next year, the end of 2012 for a publication. Quality science takes time!

John.
____________

Profile Bob DeWoody
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 9 May 10
Posts: 1740
Credit: 583,045
RAC: 35
United States
Message 1171358 - Posted: 16 Nov 2011, 10:25:53 UTC

I can hardly wait. Johnny, you better have it ready before Dec. 21, 2012 or else there won't be anybody here to tell you research to.
____________
Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

Profile Johnney Guinness
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 11 Sep 06
Posts: 3093
Credit: 2,651,675
RAC: 101
Ireland
Message 1171392 - Posted: 16 Nov 2011, 15:55:13 UTC - in response to Message 1171358.

I can hardly wait. Johnny, you better have it ready before Dec. 21, 2012 or else there won't be anybody here to tell you research to.

LOL... thats a good point Taggart!

John.
____________

Profile Chris SProject donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 19 Nov 00
Posts: 32626
Credit: 14,483,343
RAC: 13,240
United Kingdom
Message 1171465 - Posted: 16 Nov 2011, 19:50:07 UTC

What would be useful at this stage would be a precis or synopsis. The sort of thing that an author would send to a publisher seeking an advance towards a final manuscript. Enough substance to whet the appetite so to speak .....

Profile Johnney Guinness
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 11 Sep 06
Posts: 3093
Credit: 2,651,675
RAC: 101
Ireland
Message 1171517 - Posted: 16 Nov 2011, 22:38:18 UTC - in response to Message 1171465.
Last modified: 16 Nov 2011, 22:41:59 UTC

What would be useful at this stage would be a precis or synopsis. The sort of thing that an author would send to a publisher seeking an advance towards a final manuscript. Enough substance to whet the appetite so to speak .....

You got that Chris. For a month or two i chatted here about what i'm doing. Some people were interested, some people were not. So you know exactly what i'm doing, the work still continues. I got the feedback i needed so now i'm just quietly working away in the background. No point in annoying people here if they are not interested. I could post updates but i would just get abused for not revealing the complete set of scientific evidence. And thats not going to happen until i'm 100% ready.

John.
____________

1 · 2 · Next

Message boards : SETI@home Science : They haven't landed yet!

Copyright © 2014 University of California