I think the word is hypocrisy. On one hand you want the Gov't to basically end all social programs yet for the scientific welfare state that is NASA you want it to continue.

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Diogenes Of Sinope

Great Nations have always sponsored exploration. Failed nations have sponsored socialism.

so most of EUrope Canada, Japan, singapore are failed states. I need to update my maps

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

Great Nations have always sponsored exploration. Failed nations have sponsored socialism.

I'm curious about what is your notion of socialism.

China is sponsoring exploration and as per US standards is a socialist state.

I always wanted to know what is the notion of socialism for a US citizen, it seems like something bad, awfull like socialists will eat childreen at breakfast.

Great Nations have always sponsored exploration. Failed nations have sponsored socialism.

Get government off the back of space exploration. That's what the founding Fathers would have wanted.

Now there is a sound bite that the entire TeaPublican party partisans can understand as their entire public policy.

So a nation complying with the Preface to the Constitution is a failed nation. Fair enough, we've been doomed from the start. Go to know.

Great Nations have always sponsored exploration. Failed nations have sponsored socialism.

Great Nations have always sponsored exploration. Failed nations have sponsored socialism.

I'm curious about what is your notion of socialism.

China is sponsoring exploration and as per US standards is a socialist state.

I always wanted to know what is the notion of socialism for a US citizen, it seems like something bad, awfull like socialists will eat childreen at breakfast

we have no clue.
We're Americans!
But, it's interesting you ask this question, since you do not sound particularly socialist yourself.
Not that I'd know what a socialist sounds like. :)

Didn't you know, socialism is any policy proposed by a non-white President.

I always wanted to know what is the notion of socialism for a US citizen, it seems like something bad, awfull like socialists will eat childreen at breakfast.

Didn't you know, socialism is any policy proposed by a non-white President.

I always wanted to know what is the notion of socialism for a US citizen, it seems like something bad, awfull like socialists will eat childreen at breakfast.

The race card doesn't apply here, and you know it.

ok any president that isn't a member of the elite ruling class gated Community community multiple mansion owning party

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

China has been allowing private capital formation for over 30 years.

Socialism for Americans is where the government provides for all regardless of their efforts or inputs.

Don't think government is too much on the back of space exploration. The question is will there be abundant private capital to invest in space and it's technological offshoots.

Would there be enough private capital to build 200 nuclear plants here in the US given the risk.

There is no more Bell Labs to bring us the transistor, laser, Telephone, cell phone, networks etc.

Government sponsorship brought us the digital computer and much of it's development.

However wasteful, gov't sponsored research may be necessary for technical advancement. In the past this was primarily motivated by war and space exploration.

The question is will there be abundant private capital to invest in space and it's technological offshoots.

The article below mentions many private firms taking over Nasa facilities and doing Space Biz in Florida. Boeing being one.

If you don't Trust a link I give, then I've given the Search Words in the link and you can feel safe finding it on your own.

Why Nasa's Fire Sale Is Good News For Florida

Dull as a burned up re-entry tile.

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Socialism for Americans is where the government provides for all regardless of their efforts or inputs.

For an european like me that sounds like comunism in old USSR.

For me socialism, i like being a democrat in the US, or a member of the labour party in the UK.

But is interesting how thoughts can be different in the other side of the pond.

Still I strongly believe that in some research projects the cost is so High and the short run benefits are so litle that only the government can back it up.

Socialism for Americans is where the government provides for all regardless of their efforts or inputs.

For an european like me that sounds like comunism in old USSR.

For me socialism, i like being a democrat in the US, or a member of the labour party in the UK.

But is interesting how thoughts can be different in the other side of the pond.

Still I strongly believe that in some research projects the cost is so High and the short run benefits are so litle that only the government can back it up.

Well I'm one person in the western hemisphere that basically agrees with your analysis of what socialism is. And also your justification for government sponsored exploration. My point was exactly that a totally privately funded space exploration program is not likely because the investors would be looking for a return on their investment and not just the satisfaction of having achieved something. When and if it ever becomes more economical to extract resources from another planet or moon or asteroid than it is to recover the same resources from the earth, private industry will provide the means to do so. But as long as space exploration remains a scientific endevour with the primary return being knowledge the various governments that remain foresighted will be footing the bulk of the bill.

Right now the only ventures that are likely to return a modest profit are sub orbital joy rides and possible visits to a LEO play pen where people with enough money can experience microgravity for a few minutes to several days.

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My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

For many in the US, it seems the distinction between socialism and communism gets blurred to make things easier for simpler minds to see, shall we say, black and white......

That being said, when you get down to it, neither New Labor (in the UK) nor the Democrats in the US are even close to classic socialism. Classic socialism seeks to nationalize all sorts of businesses. Democrats are VERY far from that -- their support of the car manufacturing business, or banks is far from nationalizing them. They are 'capitalists' as well, but to use a phrase coined by an old school Republican, they seek a kinder, gentler capitalism. That old school Republican probably is quite discomfited by the TeaPublicans who are running amok in the former Republican Party.

I just don't see the TeaPublicans making the point that NASA should get more funding -- *unless* it is part of the Defense Department. That is the ONLY agency TeaPublicans want to see get larger.

For me socialism, i like being a democrat in the US, or a member of the labour party in the UK.

But is interesting how thoughts can be different in the other side of the pond.

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I think the popularity of "tea party" republicans is blown way out of proportion by the media try to make more out of little or something out of nothing It's too bad that TV news on the air time has to be sponsored by advertizing and therefore in the hunt for ratings. Dull factual reporting of the news doesn't attract most viewers and advertizers.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

That would have been my read as well, but then the debt ceiling debate and for that matter all political process during the current session of Congress has struck me as very Teapublican. For that matter, the ABR (Anybody but Romney) traffic we see in the reality shows (the TeaPublican debates) suggests that in addition to the media, the Republican party is playing to that same crowd. I wish it were not so, as I see plenty of room for Republican *governance*, but the TeaParty sounds like a bunch of angry white men (with some women) who plan on 'reclaiming' America -- the America of the late 40's -- 1840's.

I think the popularity of "tea party" republicans is blown way out of proportion by the media try to make more out of little or something out of nothing It's too bad that TV news on the air time has to be sponsored by advertizing and therefore in the hunt for ratings. Dull factual reporting of the news doesn't attract most viewers and advertizers.

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The tea party is an amalgam of disaffected ultra-conservatives, a few religious fanatics, and people whom are tired of corruption on both sides of the aisle (Democrats and Republicans for those who don't follow US politics) via campaign contributions and special interest lobbyists.

Throw in a few middle class, educated people whom are out of work and you do have the makings of a movement which might just spawn a third party. If the electoral college rules were changed to proportional voting in each State this could have traction. They would have to run a moderate conservative who has been a successful Governor--Chris Christie or the like.

Under the current two-party system the Tea party would probably siphon off enough votes from the Republicans to re-elect Obama. This is what happened when H Ross Perot ran a few years back. It handed the Election to Bill Clinton.

On Thursday, the Senate and House began negotiating the NASA budget for fiscal year 2012. The Senate version, passed earlier in the week, would provide $17.9 billion, including $1.5 billion for the planetary science division, which houses the Mars program. The Republican-led House wants to cut the agency budget to $16.8 billion.

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It may have started that way, but once the Koch brothers got into the funding act, special interest lobbyists became a part of the process. Then, the Republican party decided to try to co-opt the TeaParty, the result was a TeaPublican dominated House and intense pressure on the remaining Republicans to 'go TeaPublican'.

At the same time, the Democratic Party, increasingly has 'gone Republican' in its role.

I figure that is one of the major reasons the OWS folks are out there. It is possible that some of the original Tea Party folks -- particularly the folks tired of corruption on both sides of the aisle -- might find that the OWS folks are closer to their views than the morphed TeaPublican folks.

The tea party is an amalgam of disaffected ultra-conservatives, a few religious fanatics, and people whom are tired of corruption on both sides of the aisle (Democrats and Republicans for those who don't follow US politics) via campaign contributions and special interest lobbyists.