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Message 1341273 - Posted: 27 Feb 2013, 14:10:31 UTC - in response to Message 1341062.

And "Not reporting or requsting taks" is an informative mesage- it indicates just what it says- it's neither reporting or requsting new work, indicating that hitting the retry button that time wasn't really worth the effort.

Part of the "annoyance" factor involved here is the utter uselessness of enabling a retry button that really isn't going to retry anything at all. Perhaps the level of frustration would drop if such buttons were disabled when the feature behind it is not available? It seems like a logical pattern to follow, but I guess the amount of programming involved is too great...

You need to differentiate between the Retry Now button on the Transfers tab and the Update button on the Projects tab.

The Retry Now button is unavailable if there are no uploads or downloads to retry.

The Update button is always available because there are reasons for contacting the scheduler other than getting new work. For example, you may have updated your preferences on your account page on the web site and you want your computer to make contact so it will know your new prefs. This will result in the "Not reporting or requesting" message.

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Message 1341278 - Posted: 27 Feb 2013, 14:39:52 UTC - in response to Message 1341273.

...The Retry Now button is unavailable if there are no uploads or downloads to retry.

The Update button is always available because there are reasons for contacting the scheduler other than getting new work. For example, you may have updated your preferences on your account page on the web site and you want your computer to make contact so it will know your new prefs. This will result in the "Not reporting or requesting" message.


Thanks for the explanation; I hadn't noticed that delta in button behavior. However, I'm a bit dissappointed, mainly becuase the disable logic is already in place for one button but not the other, because the Update button is loaded with several responsibilities, making it convenient but ripe for misuse and a source for raising the annoyance factor. I would prefer to isolate the upload/download behavior with the Retry Now button only, removing that behaivor from the other catch-all Update button.

But this is just one person's subjective opinion, and I give it with the best of intentions. BTW, I feel comfortable expressing this because I have just sent a donation check in the mail, so I do have some skin in the game...

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Message 1341798 - Posted: 28 Feb 2013, 23:21:30 UTC

It looks like I'm back to not being able to download again. I've got a screenfull of downloads. Watching them I find that some downloads -- while they're actively downloading and the percentage is going up -- time out and go to the bottom of the queue. Then another partially downloaded task begins and -- sometime while downloading -- times out.

This may be partially due to having my preferences set for Astropulse tasks only, which are 8 MB in size. I have now changed my preference to seti@home tasks only. I'm hoping the smaller file sizes will lead to more tasks completing on the first try.
The plan that was announced a while back for you guys to quadruple the task sizes has me worried. It seems far fewer tasks (probably at least 4 times fewer tasks) will download on the first try, and the overhead of increased restarts will more than offset any advantage that increased task size has on your database.

After all, if no one can get any work you don't even need a database.


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Message 1342595 - Posted: 3 Mar 2013, 4:28:29 UTC

I know this has probably already been addressed before, but I can't find it. I have 2 computers running seti. One is an older desktop unit with 2 cpus and a laptop with 4. My older unit always has plenty of data to process while my laptop rarely has enough to get through the day. I have increased my data reservoir up to 3 days and only the desktop is increased. What do I need to do?

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Message 1342597 - Posted: 3 Mar 2013, 4:46:50 UTC - in response to Message 1215962.

Amen


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Message 1342602 - Posted: 3 Mar 2013, 5:26:16 UTC - in response to Message 1342595.

I have increased my data reservoir up to 3 days and only the desktop is increased. What do I need to do?

It won't make much difference as there is a server side limit of 100WUs per CPU & 100WUs per GPU.
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Message 1342642 - Posted: 3 Mar 2013, 10:07:18 UTC - in response to Message 1342602.

I have increased my data reservoir up to 3 days and only the desktop is increased. What do I need to do?

It won't make much difference as there is a server side limit of 100WUs per CPU & 100WUs per GPU.

It should make lots of difference, his hosts only have Eight and Fifty-Six tasks in progress respectively, well Below the limit.

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Message 1342643 - Posted: 3 Mar 2013, 10:15:16 UTC - in response to Message 1342595.

I know this has probably already been addressed before, but I can't find it. I have 2 computers running seti. One is an older desktop unit with 2 cpus and a laptop with 4. My older unit always has plenty of data to process while my laptop rarely has enough to get through the day. I have increased my data reservoir up to 3 days and only the desktop is increased. What do I need to do?

Where did you increase the cache settings? In the Computing preferences page on the Setiathome website, or locally on the Computing preferences page in Boinc Manager on each host?
Note: doing it in Boinc Manager overrides the Web preferences, you'll need to Clear them if you want to use the Web preferences again,
you'll be using local preferences if you have the following line on startup in the Event log:

02/03/2013 14:32:05 | | Reading preferences override file

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Message 1342645 - Posted: 3 Mar 2013, 10:28:49 UTC - in response to Message 1342643.
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Network Tasks ?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/prefs.php?subset=global

Maintain enough tasks to keep busy for at least
(max 10 days).

IS IT REALLY THIS PARAMETER ?



EDIT : AFTER A TEST, I RECEIVED MORE TASK
IT SEEMS TO BE THIS ...

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Message 1342648 - Posted: 3 Mar 2013, 10:50:47 UTC - in response to Message 1342645.
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Network Tasks ?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/prefs.php?subset=global

Maintain enough tasks to keep busy for at least
(max 10 days).

IS IT REALLY THIS PARAMETER ?



EDIT : AFTER A TEST, I RECEIVED MORE TASK
IT SEEMS TO BE THIS ...

Yes, But it is also the 'and up to an additional' setting too, for Boinc 7 you should put a very small value in the additional setting if you want more frequent topups
(Boinc 7 will fill to the 1st and 2nd cache values, then wait until the total cache available falls below the 1st setting before asking again)

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Message 1342650 - Posted: 3 Mar 2013, 11:02:02 UTC - in response to Message 1342648.

ok thanks


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Message 1342745 - Posted: 3 Mar 2013, 18:36:23 UTC - in response to Message 1342643.

Thanks. Fixed the problem.

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Message 1343224 - Posted: 5 Mar 2013, 11:54:13 UTC
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Gripes: Having to pull My thread back on track and AP's take to long to Download.
Kudos: Letting the thread wander this far due to some really GREAT INFO. ;o)



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Message 1344220 - Posted: 8 Mar 2013, 21:51:33 UTC

Kudos: For the fix for TCP issues for windows machines.

Gripe: To M$ for not having it as the default!


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Message 1344301 - Posted: 9 Mar 2013, 2:19:52 UTC

Kudos: The above.

Gripe: No link. Try this: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=71002


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Message 1344647 - Posted: 9 Mar 2013, 17:30:27 UTC

Kudos: cdemers for the TCP fix. He should get a free shopping spree in the Seti@Home gift shop.

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Message 1345890 - Posted: 12 Mar 2013, 21:33:39 UTC

My question is how do some of the powerhouse computers, such as one with 8 GTX-690 video cards keep busy. Do they get special treatment? I have 2 slow ones and 1 with GTX-480 and 1 with GTX-570. For many weeks now either one or the other of these two have had no WU's. It seems to alternate. Right now one has only GPU WU's and for several days the other had only CPU WU's. At one time my RAC was up to almost 50k but is now just starting to go back up from 18k The 2 slow machines rarely have a problem getting WU's. I've been crunching 13 years but am considering calling it quits.

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Message 1345894 - Posted: 12 Mar 2013, 21:39:22 UTC - in response to Message 1345890.

My question is how do some of the powerhouse computers, such as one with 8 GTX-690 video cards keep busy. Do they get special treatment? I have 2 slow ones and 1 with GTX-480 and 1 with GTX-570. For many weeks now either one or the other of these two have had no WU's. It seems to alternate. Right now one has only GPU WU's and for several days the other had only CPU WU's. At one time my RAC was up to almost 50k but is now just starting to go back up from 18k The 2 slow machines rarely have a problem getting WU's. I've been crunching 13 years but am considering calling it quits.

Bob B.

Have you read the Windows TCP Settings - Follow up - Help with server communication yet?

Cheers.

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Message 1346374 - Posted: 14 Mar 2013, 2:58:45 UTC - in response to Message 1345894.

I don't know that network speed is my problem but I'll give it a try.
Thanx, Bob


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Message 1346411 - Posted: 14 Mar 2013, 6:34:45 UTC - in response to Message 1346374.

I don't know that network speed is my problem but I'll give it a try.
Thanx, Bob

It's not a speed problem, it's a congestion problem.
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