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Message 1162332 - Posted: 14 Oct 2011, 21:37:35 UTC

No, nor will I be voting Democrat
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Message 1162344 - Posted: 14 Oct 2011, 21:54:20 UTC - in response to Message 1162336.

No, nor will I be voting Democrat

And your hope for change would be.............................
I have always voted mostly republican, but never voted a straight ticket because of that.
Best man standing......that's why I was kinda forced into voting for da bummer on the last ticket.

OK...I f'd up.


There's little for rob to compare with from a UK Labour vs Liberal Democrat vs Conservative vs UKIP vs etc perspective to a US Democratic vs Republican one. I'm waiting to see the candidate that Republicans choose, though I must admit I'm not hopeful they'll pick one that I'll prefer to Obama.
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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1162361 - Posted: 14 Oct 2011, 22:28:02 UTC

All I know is that hoping for change didn't work out so well.

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Message 1162376 - Posted: 14 Oct 2011, 23:10:10 UTC - in response to Message 1162370.

Obama will still win no matter who you throw at him.
Your nations demographics nearly make it a certainty.


Do not underestimate the power of the Diebold.
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Message 1162447 - Posted: 15 Oct 2011, 3:16:00 UTC - in response to Message 1162423.

Had to look up Diebold.
Up here in Can-A-Do we still have paper ballots.
What could be more secure than good old pencil and paper?
Why would you want to automate something that you only do once in a Blue Moon?

Chad, Chad, we want Chad.

Then a few months later the press can examine the ballot and see that the count if done correctly would have resulted in the same conclusion as announced and have their methodical recount results ignored. Very much like the doom and gloom set keeps having new doom and gloom dates while making piles of cash. Don't ever forget that they market to the 99%!



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Message 1162458 - Posted: 15 Oct 2011, 3:55:31 UTC

I will be honest and tell ya that I did vote for the bummer

I will be honest and tell you, I did not vote for The Messiah.

I will be honest and tell you, I bought ITs Yard Sign and put it in my front yard. So, I did Contribute to The $750M. Blech, Yuk, Barf.

I convinced Myself I mostly put The Sign Out in The Yard to Punk my Almost 99%(hehehe) Dem/Lib Naaaaabores, I was Zombietized/Hynotized, as they were.

Alas, I came to My Senses and Voted Not. After The Election I put out a McCain/Palin Yard Sign, during my Recovery Period from The Sickness of Hope and Change BS.

Although, IT almost swayed me. I drank much of The Kool-Aid and I almost, Zombie-Like, Hypnotized Deeply, went to the Ballot and Pulled The Lever for IT.

Hope is A Drug. Change is The Cure. Lies and BS is what We Die Of.

I wish Paul Ryan would Run. I have a Yard Sign now for Ron Paul.

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Message 1162579 - Posted: 15 Oct 2011, 8:45:50 UTC

There's little for rob to compare with from a UK Labour vs Liberal Democrat vs Conservative vs UKIP vs etc perspective to a US Democratic vs Republican one.

I have to say I broadly agree. Labour has become as much Centre Left in recent years as the Tories have become Cenre Right. They found that radical politics at either extreme turned the voters off.

[quote]I'm waiting to see the candidate that Republicans choose, though I must admit I'm not hopeful they'll pick one that I'll prefer to Obama.


Be careful here, it's often a mistake to vote for the man not the party, and end up with more of the same under a new guise. Labour got in for all those years because people voted for "fresh faced Tony" and "New" Labour.

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Message 1162655 - Posted: 15 Oct 2011, 16:03:48 UTC

During times of economical recession and when you feel that life is getting though every day is easy to believe in the false profects.

Obama was a messiah as Bush was let's say not that popular anymore....

Cameron can also fall in to the pit if he does not play carefully.

We know we all live difficult times, but do not forget there is life beyond the defict and rating agencies.

Politicians need to remember that when all hope is gone than their lifes are over.

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Message 1162722 - Posted: 15 Oct 2011, 19:29:18 UTC

I lean Liberal but I don't vote strictly by party lines. I will vote for who I believe will do the best job
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Message 1162728 - Posted: 15 Oct 2011, 19:54:41 UTC

The democratic party is far too conservative for my tastes, and I consider myself a moderate.

There is always hope. And change is inevitable, although it is not always in the direction we wish.
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Message 1162824 - Posted: 16 Oct 2011, 4:30:52 UTC

If the libertarian movement had a real political party at it's core I would be taking a long hard look at any candidate that was put forward.

I have always tended to vote Republican but I have issues with some of the planks in the party doctrine. I think republican leaders tend to align themselves with Christian political concepts way too often even though I doubt their sincerity.

I believe in the parable that says "give a man s meal and he eats today, give a man a job and he eats every day"

Of course that presumes there are jobs to give. The more I see and hear and read about Herman Cain the more I like where he is coming from. He may be the only Republican that has a good chance of beating Obama in November 2012. Then people wouldn't be voting against the "black" candidate but instead for the smarter candidate.
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Message 1162828 - Posted: 16 Oct 2011, 4:52:10 UTC - in response to Message 1162824.

Ron Paul is technically Libertarian, though he is trying for the Republican nomination because Libertarians don't have enough of a party to win a Presidential nomination.

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Message 1162845 - Posted: 16 Oct 2011, 10:30:26 UTC - in response to Message 1162824.
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Several things to think about here.

There is a movement now being adopted by several states to award the electoral votes to the candidate that gets the most votes nationally. I would prefer either abolishing the Electoral college and or splitting the electoral vote count as it turns out for each candidate. The president would be the one who got the most votes Nationally. What a concept !! The winner of the election get's to be president !! Perhaps if less than 50% is reached by a candidate there could be a run-off between the top two, for a while this might perpetuate the 2-party system but at least the election would not be decided by the controlling party in the House of Representatives.

Winner-take-all just assures perpetuation of the two-party system which has fostered corruption, infighting, class warfare, special interests and incompetence all in equal measure. This is the only way that a third party candidate can expect to ever get elected.

Herman Cain's 999 will wipe out the lower and lower middle class. The half of Americans who don't pay income tax would now pay 9% and instead of paying say 9% sales tax here in Tennessee we would pay 18% on everything we buy including food.

So those making around $50,000 who now pay no income taxes due to family, mortgage interest, health and education expenses would now pay $5,000 income tax and perhaps double sales tax on everything they buy or consume.

The upper middle class would make out well; those making $100,000 and up would jump for joy.

I have been at both ends of the middle class spectrum so I can see the math here clearly.

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Message 1162852 - Posted: 16 Oct 2011, 10:49:41 UTC

That is precisely why we had the Alternative Vote Referendum in the UK back in May. It would have given the Lib Dems many more seats in Parliament, at the expense of Labour and the Tories. Hardly surprising that it was defeated by 68%-32%.

I see the issue returning again in the future though.

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Message 1162920 - Posted: 16 Oct 2011, 16:14:44 UTC

The problem with the electoral college isn't the electoral college. The problem is the ballot hat has the name of the candidate upon it. The ballot should have the names of the electors on it and no collection either, each stands by them self. That way a voter could split his ticket and the real fun of running for president would start the day after the first tuesday after the first monday in november. Then you will wish your senators were still elected by your state legislature. Wait until none of the above wins every election.


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Message 1162950 - Posted: 16 Oct 2011, 17:57:51 UTC

Europe

Strong words we will see. I hope this view will change our involvement in Europe.

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Message 1162953 - Posted: 16 Oct 2011, 18:04:06 UTC - in response to Message 1162332.

Indeed, of course the choice we may get this time around is.

A) Republican (Obama)
B) Tea Party (Perry)

In that case, I'll surely vote Republican.

Now if instead the choice is:

A) Republican (Obama)
B) Republican (Romney)

In this case I'll vote Republican as well.

Folks who charge that Obama is a Socialist are using code words for another epithet.

The thing is, for Obama, it is a failure of management -- though managing the Senate and the House is a task for a special talent -- and I fear we don't have that talent in the universe.


No, nor will I be voting Democrat


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