science don't go on crusades, or try to convince others of something they belive is the truth?

Global warming was a crusade. and if you do not agree because politicians got envolved, well than it should be knowed that there are no funding for science without politicians.

Look at NASA, Obama just killed all space research that could have ended in a mission to mars or even in many other things.

and what about enviromental groups that are fanatics. In some regions of US and canada they insert metal spikes on trees, so when a lumber jack goes there to cut it, let's say a nasty accident can happen.

What is this? eco-terrorism?

we all can argue for hours about this, and even with facts and evidences not being able to convince the other side.

science don't go on crusades, or try to convince others of something they belive is the truth?

No, science is the discovery of facts. Education is an attempt to inform people of the results of science - until the Intelligent Design morons come into play.

Global warming was a crusade. and if you do not agree because politicians got envolved, well than it should be knowed that there are no funding for science without politicians.

Global warming is a phenomenon that science is studying. Some scientists have drawn conclusions from their studies.

Science goes on with or without funding. SETI@Home is a great example of that. Many other great scientists of the past had to do their work without funding because their theories were unpopular with the politicians or religious groups of the time.

Look at NASA, Obama just killed all space research that could have ended in a mission to mars or even in many other things.

NASA =/= science. The US could pull all the funding on every science project tomorrow, but that would not stop science from happening.

and what about enviromental groups that are fanatics. In some regions of US and canada they insert metal spikes on trees, so when a lumber jack goes there to cut it, let's say a nasty accident can happen.

What is this? eco-terrorism?

What do fanatics have to do with science? You'll get some in every group. They are not representative of science itself. They represent their fanatical ideologies.

we all can argue for hours about this, and even with facts and evidences not being able to convince the other side.

Only fools ignore facts and evidence when presented, and only fools refuse to change their minds in the face of empirical data.

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Global warming--a cause --n'est ce pas ?

No, global warming is a cause for those who turn it into a crusade.

The science of global warming is merely the study of it's effects. Ideologists crusade in the name of global warming as a means to change it's effects, but that's largely political in nature.

Science itself merely studies and records data. It doesn't crusade. It cannot crusade. Only people can crusade. Most scientists do not crusade because that requires fanatical devotion, and the only devotion most scientists have is to the facts.

I think that many of the "Green" ideas and topics are in fact causes that have turned into crusades. (if you have gone up against "environmentalists" as I have, you would most likely come to the same conclusion.

They embrace "science" albeit sloppy science, pseudo-science and feel-good opinion in the name of their Crusade. So there are a lot of "scientists" with degrees in the Sciences whom are conducting these crusades using opinion on the side of seemingly undecide-able problems, propositions and chicken-little paranoia. These people enlist the "Ignorantcia" (to coin a word) into their yet-another false religion.

I don't mean to be too hard on concerned individuals. Some concerns are valid and need to be aired. It's the overall regulatory response to real and imagined problems that will further wreck our economy and what's left of our way of life. Our way of life needs to change--but it needs to change for the better with sound plans, proposals and action.

Another good rant by Daddio

I think that many of the "Green" ideas and topics are in fact causes that have turned into crusades.

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They embrace "science" albeit sloppy science, pseudo-science and feel-good opinion in the name of their Crusade. So there are a lot of "scientists" with degrees in the Sciences whom are conducting these crusades using opinion on the side of seemingly undecide-able problems, propositions and chicken-little paranoia. These people enlist the "Ignorantcia" (to coin a word) into their yet-another false religion.

I don't disagree with any of this, but should science be held responsible for even a few nutcases with science degrees? I also find that a scientist with a degree or two seems to think that it makes them an expert on all things outside of their field of study, creating the "sloppy science" you mentioned. These are people who have turned their conclusions into politics for attention. The moment it because a crusade, it ceases to be science because science is the study and observation of the universe around us, not the fanatical devotion to changing the ideologies of everyone around us.

This is not the same thing as the whole of science going on a crusade.

I also find that a scientist with a degree or two seems to think that it makes them an expert on all things outside of their field of study

My Niece, having got her BSc and MSc(Res) is now at Uni doing a PhD. I can assure you that in her case that is definitely not true.

Note that I didn't say all scientists. But it does happen more frequently than it should.