Some AntiScience stuff

Compare to others some western countries are very religious plus superstetious although they "lead" in scientific department. Like on Dec 31 2008 in NY the New Year Eve ball launch button Bill Clinton pressed that button for some economic good fortune superstition thing. Plus Ronald Reagan was heavy phsychic client during his achievements on closing of cold war or at same period numerous eastern block leaders were also big phsychic clients themselves although communist regime was heavily anti religious.

And then bump this thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3xItrGOi6Q

This video fact I cannot say 1% true or 90% true. So what kind of puzzle is this?

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puzzle 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvIbqf7MuE0
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Mandtugai!

Heaven story is pure rubbish. A good way to make money off of the ignorance of the masses.

But the thing is why world's relatively leading scientific empire is also leading superstition empire at same time? That is one of most coolest puzzle of these days.

What is the reason the someone former president pressing the new years eve button, I mean that is really strange superstition. (my wildest guess is at the time outgoing president George Bush has asked Reagan's phsychic which she has likely told him that let Clinton press the button so the Clinton era prosperity comes back something (well actually very nice intention but still some superstition))
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Mandtugai!

Religion is an act of faith; it can’t be explained trough science. Is simply a personal experience, some members here would say that there is no soul, that emotions are simply and only chemical reactions that happens in the human brain depending on some situations.

Does a superior being exists? Is there a more elevated level of existence that can be achieved after death? Is there life after death? All of this questions are still unsolved and with no conclusive answer.

One thing I’m sure if some scientists believe that there is several universes and there is no proof of this, why can’t we believe that there are different levels of conscience and existence?

If we call it heaven, hell or something else it does not matter, at the end religion and in what we believe beyond science is a personal thing, and some people found God maybe because they had a personal experience that made them believe that a superior being exists.

About NDE I read a lot of things, some explanations done by science, others just philosophical, nevertheless there is some events that can’t be completely explained by our best scientists.

Personally I’m like Plato, and believe that all creatures are Soma and Sema, the greak words for body and soul.

And like Woody Alan once said, the worse thing of being an atheist is in the day you die appearing at the evening news that GOD exists.

Compare to west the former eastern communist block was majorly anti religion. Although after 90's the religion and superstition kind of exploded all over eastern block countries the atheistic approach is still very strong in most of these countries.

But compare to europe usa is seemingly too deep in superstition things. That last Mays end day announcer some cult leader who has 17 branch FM station all over usa which is so powerful cult enterprise.
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Mandtugai!

Compare to west the former eastern communist block was majorly anti religion. Although after 90's the religion and superstition kind of exploded all over eastern block countries the atheistic approach is still very strong in most of these countries.

But compare to europe usa is seemingly too deep in superstition things. That last Mays end day announcer some cult leader who has 17 branch FM station all over usa which is so powerful cult enterprise.

Unfortunately, very few politicians are scientists. Politicians know that the overwhelming majority of the population are poorly educated and highly susceptable to paranormal claptrap. The scientific community, east and west, is usually above such susceptability. Too many people assume that belief in a higher being rules out acceptance of scientific facts and in extreme cases of "faith" that does become a problem.

The minster that educated me in Christianity also made it clear that the Bible should not be regarded as a science book or a history text. One can believe in "God" and still marvel at the wonders of the universe.
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Bob DeWoody

Yes I wonder compare to eastern scientists very high proportion of western scientists are religious.
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Mandtugai!

Something else to contemplate. Very early on the people who tend to end up in charge found out that that religion is a very powerful means of controlling most of the population. Therefore those people in charge while not being overly religious themselves promoted and supported religion and religious leaders. Convincing the masses that if they were good followers and didn't steal from others, especially their leaders, that they would get their reward in heaven thereby relieving the leaders from being overly generous to their subjects. Now in the modern arena of life it is harder and harder to convince the lower classes that it is required to wait until they die to get their rewards. So instead they have devised ways to make the middle class support those lower in the chain of command so that the leaders ( the wealthy, royalty, dictators and etc.) can still enjoy a higher level of comfort while still on earth.
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Bob DeWoody

Arguing about a divine existence or a different level of conscience for me is like arguing if dark energy exists or if there are a multiverse or even if the universe where created by the clash of two membranes.

There is no scientic proof, or even mathematic models about this theories, in fact from what i read some are more filosofical than cientific.

By the way, I don't care if there are people who believe ina superior being and life their lives according to their believes, at the end what is important is if they are happy.

I don't judge anyone regarding what or what they do not believe in. No one should. The important here is that as humans we need to respect eachother and everyday try to be a better person.

One thing we all know, there are to many questions in our live and at the universe that remain unsolved.

However I don't think we should replace religion by science, as then science can became a religion in itself. It's a Paradox I know, but still a valid one.

OZZ i reespect you because of your strong believes and opinions, from what i read from your replies i can conclude that you don't believe in any God at that we only have this life and that is it.

Quite honestly, if you think like that is because you have your personnal resons that I will not even dare to ask or challenge. It's your choice and let's keep it that way.

The worse thing that can exist are crusaders, who think they are in a mission to convert other people that think differently or have a different point of view.

I've seen religious crusades and science crusades, neither of them are correct. religion because is an act of faith, science because is always evolving always on motion and what today is truth tomorrow can be proven by evidence to be incorrect.

I'm just glad that we all in this forum can be open about such topics without trying to convince eachother that our ideas and believes are the right ones.

From dialogue comes human evolution, not as a bioligical being but as a rational and conscient creature.

At the end we are only star dust and in dust we will became.

Really? I've never seen a science crusade. Care to name an example?