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Message 1167411 - Posted: 3 Nov 2011, 7:44:56 UTC - in response to Message 1167376.  

Agreed - I'm glad there are no 'bad apples' amongst the Tea Party partisans. And no, that's not an excuse for this, or for that matter the violence seen in places like Athens (I was there 18 months ago).

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[quote]at Whole Foods at 27th and Bay streets, a group wearing all-black and face masks threw paint balls, left graffiti, tore up a fence and broke a window ...


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Message 1167484 - Posted: 3 Nov 2011, 15:04:50 UTC

Hey Occupiers: Do we need to get our Domestic Help to shine up The Silver Platters or are you Okay with Giving US want We Want on The Tarnished Silver Platters?

Definately Class Warfare when The Occupiers are Preventing The 53% from Doing Their Jobs/Opening Their Businesses/Stopping Shopping and The 53% are Not Happy About It.

Support For The Occupiers? Say Good-Bye to it.

Join The 53% Movement. Soon to be The 60%-70%.

Get Rid of The Thugs.

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Message 1167522 - Posted: 3 Nov 2011, 17:27:13 UTC

If they are disrupting other people's livelihoods and damaging property, they are no more than common rabble rousers, no matter how noble their supposed cause.

Get 'em off of the streets and let them organize their movement through legal channels and the ballot box.

This is only going to get worse, as folks who really have no emotional attachment to the 'movement' start to get involved because they have nothing better to do with their lives and just want to take advantage of the 'peaceful protests' to engage in hooliganism, vandalism, and violence.
"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

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Message 1167530 - Posted: 3 Nov 2011, 17:55:58 UTC - in response to Message 1167484.  

Ah yes, the 53% Faux number -- the screwed folks must be getting on your nerves. I thought you had none. <smile>.




Definately Class Warfare when The Occupiers are Preventing The 53% from Doing Their Jobs/Opening Their Businesses/Stopping Shopping and The 53% are Not Happy About It.



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Message 1167531 - Posted: 3 Nov 2011, 17:56:55 UTC - in response to Message 1167522.  

I agree, oh wait, you are not talking about the mega rich corporations and bankers.....


If they are disrupting other people's livelihoods and damaging property, they are no more than common rabble rousers, no matter how noble their supposed cause.


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Message 1167536 - Posted: 3 Nov 2011, 18:02:22 UTC - in response to Message 1167531.  

I agree, oh wait, you are not talking about the mega rich corporations and bankers.....


If they are disrupting other people's livelihoods and damaging property, they are no more than common rabble rousers, no matter how noble their supposed cause.


No, I was not. Although their mischief is reprehensible indeed, disrupting small businesses and damaging property is not going to bother them much. And disrupting operations at one seaport is only going to last a short while until officials are bound by duty to put an end to it.
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Message 1167537 - Posted: 3 Nov 2011, 18:04:10 UTC - in response to Message 1167376.  

thugs ...
http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stories/ci_19246904
at Whole Foods at 27th and Bay streets, a group wearing all-black and face masks threw paint balls, left graffiti, tore up a fence and broke a window ...

A man who witnessed the attack on Whole Foods, but declined to give his name, said he was buying an organic orange when the vandalism started.
"I heard a thud as I walked out, and I looked and saw this whole parade of people walking toward the store," the man said. "Most of them were holding signs, walking peacefully, but about three people ran out and kicked down the gate, so I turned to run away."
Joan Bechtel, of Pittsburg, said she and her friend were inside when the vandalism started and were held inside the store for 45 minutes.
"People were scared at first, and there was a lot of tension there for quite a while," Bechtel said. "We heard they were coming back and the employees said they had to close the store, and they let us out."
Oakland City Council President Larry Reid took was not pleased with the destruction.
"Look at Whole Foods. Look at Bank of America and the Kaiser Center. Look at Chase Bank. It's not even dark yet." Asked if he thinks the city can control the vandalism, Reid sighed, and said simply, "No."
Occupy Oakland demonstrators turned their ire on big banks, the Port of Oakland and corporations Wednesday by marching, blocking traffic and chanting -- and in some cases, defacing ATMs and breaking windows -- at Wells Fargo, Bank of America and Chase Bank branches around downtown Oakland.
At Bank of America, some protesters pounded on the locked doors, defaced ATMs and broke a window before moving down the street to Wells Fargo.
Several windows were also broken at the Wells Fargo at 12th and Broadway ...


Dear 99%er Gary Charpentier, I like how you and 99% of the conservative corporation controlled media outlets are "working" hard to discredit. Enjoy your new role as a news media outlet. :)

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Message 1167602 - Posted: 3 Nov 2011, 22:52:43 UTC - in response to Message 1167536.  

Right, because disrupting small businesses and damaging property is what the big guys DO for profit. So they won't be bothered by hooligans doing on a VERY small scale what they do big time.


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No, I was not. Although their mischief is reprehensible indeed, disrupting small businesses and damaging property is not going to bother them much. And disrupting operations at one seaport is only going to last a short while until officials are bound by duty to put an end to it.[/quote]

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Message 1168204 - Posted: 5 Nov 2011, 13:43:38 UTC

..... How soon before the only job is state police officer?

They won't be police officers Gary, they will be private "Security Guards" employed by the 1% to protect their interests. The government will be too broke to afford to employ "real" police officers.

It would be interesting to know if those responsible for the destruction in Oakland were really part of the "Occupy" movement or agent provocateurs sent in to create trouble in order to discredit the movement and justify the harsh police action against it.

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Message 1168239 - Posted: 5 Nov 2011, 15:13:28 UTC - in response to Message 1168204.  

It would be interesting to know if those responsible for the destruction in Oakland were really part of the "Occupy" movement or agent provocateurs sent in to create trouble in order to discredit the movement and justify the harsh police action against it.

Occupy Oakland is not the same as Occupy Wall Street. Occupy Oakland has at it core a bunch of anarchists. Destruction is their game, banks, government and any organization are their targets. I don't know if they intend on discrediting Occupy or if they see Occupy as a way to advance their goal. I can assure you the anarchists are not working for the 1%.

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Message 1168290 - Posted: 5 Nov 2011, 18:21:37 UTC - in response to Message 1168239.  

Interesting, I didn't realize you were an Oakland local.



Occupy Oakland is not the same as Occupy Wall Street. Occupy Oakland has at it core a bunch of anarchists. Destruction is their game, banks, government and any organization are their targets. I don't know if they intend on discrediting Occupy or if they see Occupy as a way to advance their goal. I can assure you the anarchists are not working for the 1%.

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Message 1168387 - Posted: 5 Nov 2011, 21:40:21 UTC

Handful of Violent Rioters Don't Represent "Occupy" Protests

The Occupy movement is a non violent protest. As regards the Oakland incident, there is some question as to whether the violent rioters were agent provocateurs as have been used in other demonstrations.
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Message 1168415 - Posted: 5 Nov 2011, 22:28:44 UTC - in response to Message 1168387.  

Apparently not in Gary's mind -- absolute certainty is such a relief.




The Occupy movement is a non violent protest. As regards the Oakland incident, there is some question as to whether the violent rioters were agent provocateurs as have been used in other demonstrations.

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Message 1168447 - Posted: 5 Nov 2011, 23:58:18 UTC - in response to Message 1168415.  

Apparently not in Gary's mind -- absolute certainty is such a relief.




The Occupy movement is a non violent protest. As regards the Oakland incident, there is some question as to whether the violent rioters were agent provocateurs as have been used in other demonstrations.


Oh, I guess these wall street types just want to be able to claim Oakland when it is in their interest and disclaim the people in Oakland when it is in their interest.

I see that a lot of the Occupy groups have sent people to Oakland to try and put a lid on the core group of anarchists who saw Occupy as a way to do their thing and claimed the Occupy banner as a way to do their destruction. By now real Occupy people may out number the anarchists, but they haven't got rid of the anarchists and I don't think they can, considering it is Oakland.

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Message 1168452 - Posted: 6 Nov 2011, 0:24:49 UTC - in response to Message 1168415.  

Apparently not in Gary's mind -- absolute certainty is such a relief.




The Occupy movement is a non violent protest. As regards the Oakland incident, there is some question as to whether the violent rioters were agent provocateurs as have been used in other demonstrations.



People who have absolute certainty scare me.
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Message 1168541 - Posted: 6 Nov 2011, 4:29:32 UTC

I wish people would stop bandying the word "anarchist" around as if they know what it means. They clearly don't.

The Tea Partiers are libertarians. Libertarianism is a form of anarchism.

The 99% movement has anarchism at it's core.

Anarchism is NOT smashing up stores and banks.

Anarchism is a form of organising society that quite literally means "without rulers". In other words they do not believe that one person or a small group of people should be in charge. There are many different forms of anarchism. The libertarians and a large part of the Republican party believes there should be no or little government. This is a form of anarchism.

The 99% work on the principle that everyone has a say in how things are run. That is why they have the general assemblies to propose their demands and discuss them. This is anarchism.

It does not mean chaos. It means organising things from the bottom up, rather from the top down.
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Message 1168557 - Posted: 6 Nov 2011, 5:33:44 UTC - in response to Message 1168447.  

I wouldn't disagree that there is a small group of anarchist types (organizing true anarchists might be a bit difficult though). I guess the phrase 'core group' suggesting that they control the Occupy movement struck me as about the same level of paranoia that infuses folks who declare that all the violence in the Occupy groups is from government (or Wall Street) instigators. I suspect both explanations miss the mark.




I see that a lot of the Occupy groups have sent people to Oakland to try and put a lid on the core group of anarchists who saw Occupy as a way to do their thing and claimed the Occupy banner as a way to do their destruction. By now real Occupy people may out number the anarchists, but they haven't got rid of the anarchists and I don't think they can, considering it is Oakland.

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Message 1168559 - Posted: 6 Nov 2011, 5:39:56 UTC - in response to Message 1168541.  

Anarchists organizing society -- it is an interesting juxtaposition of words...

There is a small number of folks who look at various protest movements as an opportunity for violence. Seemingly the idea is violence for the sake of violence. It appears to be something focused on destructiveness. There was some evidence of this in the various 'anti-globalization' protests a few years back, and I saw a bit of this in Athens last summer as well.

The thing is, the frustration level for 'regular people' has gotten quite high in a lot of places for a number of reasons and it is possible to spin that frustration into violent places.





Anarchism is a form of organising society that quite literally means "without rulers". In other words they do not believe that one person or a small group of people should be in charge. There are many different forms of anarchism. The libertarians and a large part of the Republican party believes there should be no or little government. This is a form of anarchism.


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Message 1168941 - Posted: 7 Nov 2011, 17:13:24 UTC

You can now rank yourself and see what part of the 99% you are.

What % are you?

I'd be interested to know how many people in this thread are in the 1%. Judging by the arguments about half you think you are.
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Message 1169018 - Posted: 7 Nov 2011, 22:14:27 UTC - in response to Message 1168941.  

heh 58%


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