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Message 1158778 - Posted: 4 Oct 2011, 11:48:48 UTC

Bureaucrats at the International Telecommunications Union in Geneva want to abandon GMT as the world’s standard time. For the first time in history, global time will no longer be linked to the spinning of the Earth. Instead, it will be determined solely by the ticking of atomic clocks.

If plans are voted through in January, the new guardians of time will be the International Bureau of Weights and Measures in Paris. It would be a bitter blow for British pride and — to make matters far worse — a belated victory for the French.

Exactly 100 years ago, French politicians were forced by international pressure to abandon Paris Mean Time and accept that the time in Lyons, Angers and Grenoble was determined by the sun moving overhead in London.

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It's an International outrage, man the barricades, fortify the defences, shoot the Frenchies on sight! We will use GMT in the UK, the rest of the world can use sundials for all we care. Grrrrrrrrrr

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Message 1158790 - Posted: 4 Oct 2011, 12:13:36 UTC - in response to Message 1158778.

crap here comes metric time
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Message 1158824 - Posted: 4 Oct 2011, 14:37:27 UTC

A few years ago a genious in the Portuguese government decided that we should change our our to CET.

The crap was so huge that couple months afterwards we moved back to GMT.

I still don't understand why the bloody french are still trying to convince the world that they are the centre of the universe.

France would be a wonderfull country, without the french ;)

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Message 1158889 - Posted: 5 Oct 2011, 0:23:31 UTC - in response to Message 1158824.

A few years ago a genious in the Portuguese government decided that we should change our our to CET.

The crap was so huge that couple months afterwards we moved back to GMT.

I still don't understand why the bloody french are still trying to convince the world that they are the centre of the universe.

France would be a wonderfull country, without the french ;)



They know how to make enemies don't they! I have said this here on Seti before and that if Charles de gaulle was to rise from his grave he would be horrified to see how the Common Market has developed. He, when alive, stated that to try and form the Common Market into any form of a European State will lead to disaster and the potential for another great European war. The French are doing their damdest to prove him right!!

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Message 1158906 - Posted: 5 Oct 2011, 1:21:09 UTC

I thought GMT was long long dead in favor of TAI Brits started using it in 1955.
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Message 1159013 - Posted: 5 Oct 2011, 11:21:55 UTC

Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) is a more accurate day than is Universal Coordinated Time (UTC), and UTC is more accurate than GMT. Which of these two is true in your particular case depends on what you are seeking to measure.


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Ditto on feelings about France, nice country shame about the French.

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Message 1159056 - Posted: 5 Oct 2011, 13:54:21 UTC - in response to Message 1159013.
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[quote]Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) is a more accurate day than is Universal Coordinated Time (UTC), and UTC is more accurate than GMT. Which of these two is true in your particular case depends on what you are seeking to measure.


Trying to measure time, something that the multidimensional universe has no need for. Only us who reside in it's inner three dimensional structure experience the sensation of time....Ooooow, I do like going-on about "time".

Ditto on feelings about France, nice country shame about the French.



The trouble here is Chris that most of the world feel this way too about the French. It's their politicians more than the ordinary man/woman in the street I think people dislike the most.

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Message 1160490 - Posted: 9 Oct 2011, 5:41:15 UTC

I thought that the atomic clock that the world now uses is in the USA. So if Greenwich is dropped and the prime meridian moved to a new location who is going to pay for the changes to all the maps and globes? The French?
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Message 1160524 - Posted: 9 Oct 2011, 9:15:48 UTC

I think that this is a simple case of the Scientific community wanting to do something for their own reasons which doesn't sit well with the General public. And of course the press are loving it. I can't see why we can't keep GMT for all general day to day purposes, but use some alternative atomic timescale for science applications. Then everyone is happy :-)

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Message 1161206 - Posted: 11 Oct 2011, 12:32:29 UTC - in response to Message 1160524.

I think that this is a simple case of the Scientific community wanting to do something for their own reasons which doesn't sit well with the General public. And of course the press are loving it. I can't see why we can't keep GMT for all general day to day purposes, but use some alternative atomic timescale for science applications. Then everyone is happy :-)


Note that the time used for GPS is about 15 seconds different from UTC. It will diverge away further.

Note also that UTC is an 'average' from multiple atomic clocks from around the world.

I just hope there is no silly politics for who has the prestige of 'control' for something so fundamental.


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Message 1161379 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 5:56:37 UTC
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Expect Shanghai Mean Time in 20 years the pre-condition is every G8 countries are begging money from Beijing.

These things always related to political and economic strategies.
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Message 1161453 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 11:23:19 UTC

Expect Shanghai Mean Time in 20 years


We could get Pakistan Mean Time, or PMT. Oh wait we already have that ...

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Message 1161477 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 13:21:21 UTC - in response to Message 1161453.

Expect Shanghai Mean Time in 20 years


We could get Pakistan Mean Time, or PMT. Oh wait we already have that ...


Yet time changes referring your initial post...

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Message 1161568 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 17:49:33 UTC
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I made the point before, that if the scientists wish to use a more accurate atomic clock source of time then fine. But I don't see why the rest of us shouldn't continue in the way that we are happy with.

I will buy my beer in pints
I will buy my potatoes in lbs
I will pay my bills in £ and p
I will read my temperatures in degrees F
I will count my time in GMT

I am English dammit, and no Johnney Foreigner will change my mind ;-)

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Message 1161724 - Posted: 13 Oct 2011, 2:02:24 UTC
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What I suppose is GMT is pre-nuclear tech age standard but majorly involved with old british empire strategies rather than real "science".

If they prove this non-constant light speed discovery in a few years then who knows this atomic standard would likely change again.

More realistically on this "time science" history science might give even realistic explanations considering centuries old british and french fights on every things on this planet.
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Message 1161744 - Posted: 13 Oct 2011, 2:52:45 UTC - in response to Message 1161724.

and while we get rid of GMT then how about straightening the lines for timezones as well. and while were at it, lets get these goofy countries like Afghanistan that have their clocks set off by 30 minutes to the conventional outside world time
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Message 1161822 - Posted: 13 Oct 2011, 8:38:08 UTC

I think it would also help if the clocks going back and forward with the seasons was more consistent everywhere.

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Message 1161827 - Posted: 13 Oct 2011, 9:52:15 UTC

I agree. To avoid shifting hours in spring and fall I have two watches, an aluminium Swatch for summer and a Tissot Touch for winter, which has also an altimeter and a barometer which I used when cross country skiing in the Dolomites. Happy days!
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Message 1161860 - Posted: 13 Oct 2011, 13:30:13 UTC

One of the main benefits of British Summer Time, and Daylight Saving Time was to avoid school-kids having to walk home in the dark. But I'm not sure that is so applicable these days. But only the Western world observes it anyway.



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Message 1161908 - Posted: 13 Oct 2011, 16:14:22 UTC - in response to Message 1161860.

I would think anyone that lives within 20 degrees north or south of the equator wouldn't need to use DST. The reason being the sun never really gets that low over the horizon to warrant it
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