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Message 1158534 - Posted: 3 Oct 2011, 16:28:29 UTC

When we finally manage to visit other planets there's no way we will not leave behind permanent evidence to our visitation.

Yeah, probably McDonalds wrappers ......

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Message 1158535 - Posted: 3 Oct 2011, 16:31:24 UTC

Some of the cable channels have had shows where they build or erect something from the ancient world. I believe that man alone built the pyramids. My question is why they pointed the shafts at those certain stars? Was it beacuse they were very noticiable? or another reason?

Back in my younger days I made the mistake of thinking Us humans today are so smart. Well 4500 years ago they were just as smart. They didnt have the technolgy we have today. If you were to show the builder of the Notre Dame the Seattle sky needle. He would have said an alien had to do it.

There are things I cant explain. Thats the fun of being Human, Trying to find the answers.
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Message 1158628 - Posted: 3 Oct 2011, 21:30:37 UTC - in response to Message 1158534.

When we finally manage to visit other planets there's no way we will not leave behind permanent evidence to our visitation.

Yeah, probably McDonalds wrappers ......


Plus an empty coke can too...

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Message 1158629 - Posted: 3 Oct 2011, 21:33:03 UTC - in response to Message 1158535.

Some of the cable channels have had shows where they build or erect something from the ancient world. I believe that man alone built the pyramids. My question is why they pointed the shafts at those certain stars? Was it beacuse they were very noticiable? or another reason?

Back in my younger days I made the mistake of thinking Us humans today are so smart. Well 4500 years ago they were just as smart. They didnt have the technolgy we have today. If you were to show the builder of the Notre Dame the Seattle sky needle. He would have said an alien had to do it.

There are things I cant explain. Thats the fun of being Human, Trying to find the answers.


James, what else did they have to do with their spare time? They didn't have TV so naturally the shy at night became a great focal point to them.

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Message 1158700 - Posted: 4 Oct 2011, 2:30:47 UTC - in response to Message 1158530.
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Aliens, had they visited this planet then this event would have left it's impression to an extent greater than that left behind by both Jesus Christ and Mohamed. This marked event of Aliens having visited us does not exist so clearly one can assume this visit did not take place. There does appear though to be anecdotal evidence in cave drawings and various artifacts that could be construed to show that an alien visit may have taken place some time in the past. I do wounder though how much evidence we get presented with is fact and how much of it is fiction. But still, we should keep looking for this evidence, on this planet and out into space too. They may have been here but as yet we have not found the perfect evidence to support it. Terrible too to think that we may have been visited and that the aliens failed to leave indisputable evidence of this fact, and now they may have become extinct so know one will know anything about their existence. When we finally manage to visit other planets there's no way we will not leave behind permanent evidence to our visitation.

Michael John Hind,
Honestly Michael, you have no idea just how relevant that statement is!

To everyone else,
Please, i encourage you to take the time to read the above quote from " Michael John Hind". Please read it a few times, its very profound and i'm going to use that statement in my book when i finally get to publish it.

Michael John Hind,
I don't know if you followed the discussion i had here in the SETI science forum back in April or May, but your statement just summarises whats about to happen to mankind. I'm a few months away from publishing a book thats going to rock the world of science. I wish i could tell you whats about to happen but i can't. I wish i could just shout it out. I wish i could just tell everyone, but i can't. Maybe that proof is on its way sooner than you think!

Something wonderful is about to happen, and i hold the key.
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Message 1159720 - Posted: 7 Oct 2011, 10:57:11 UTC - in response to Message 1159693.

The stones on Easter Island were positioned on hillsides and were oriented to look out to sea. The belief was that these statues, which originally had white-ish stones for their huge eyes, would scare away any potential invaders or settlers.

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Message 1159989 - Posted: 7 Oct 2011, 23:26:03 UTC

"Aliens built the Pyramids! You can't prove they didn't!" --> Not a stalemate. The positive assertion must present suitable and testable evidence.

ex.
Positive Assertion: You can't prove that there is not a teapot in orbit between Earth and Mars.

Negative Assertion: There is no teapot in orbit between Earth and Mars.

Who must prove their point? Or at least demonstrate a substantive *physical* plausibility?

Hypotheses should be explored, but when no evidence or contradictory evidence is available, these hypotheses must be modified or relegated to the shelf of our own imagination. Sadly, some still claim the Earth is flat.



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Message 1159997 - Posted: 7 Oct 2011, 23:50:47 UTC
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Sadly, some still claim the Earth is flat.

With respect to quantum physics, on the small scale the Earth is flat, on the large scale the Earth is round.


"Aliens built the Pyramids! You can't prove they didn't!"

But until one proves they did then one can say they did not. Because the one who says they did not said so because the one who said they did did so without any verifiable evidence contrary to the one who said they did not.

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Message 1160034 - Posted: 8 Oct 2011, 2:51:35 UTC - in response to Message 1159997.

With respect to quantum physics, on the small scale the Earth is flat, on the large scale the Earth is round.

The effect you mention has more to do with how we approach limit problems in calculus, geometry, and everyday life. At small enough intervals we tend to linearize complex problems for simplicity. This doesn't mean that in real life that curvature doesn't exist any any infinitesimal point. Intuition is quite often dead wrong. Anyone who claims the Earth is flat is closing their eyes to a mountain of evidence and choosing the losing side in a ideological battle that has likely raged since before the beginning of human civilization. Remember, the biggest argument against a more spherical earth (it is an oblate spheroid) was that the people on the bottom might fall off. This was a difficult argument to counter, although it never actually addressed what evidence there was for a rounder earth. However, with the laws of Kelper and the theory of universal gravitation from Newton, we could demonstrate clearly that people would not fall off of a large enough sphere.

However, quantum mechanics is not fully understood. For that matter, neither is relativity. These are ongoing areas of research. Why do neutrinos appear to travel faster than light? How do they do it? Is there a predictable theory of quantum gravity?

To personal observation other than the confirmation we have from space, there are indeed effects derived from the curvature of the Earth - notably the apparent behavior of the horizon, as well as phenomena such as those observed by Eratosthenes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes#Eratosthenes.27_measurement_of_the_Earth.27s_circumference. However, none of this has anything to do with ancient astronauts.

But until one proves they did then one can say they did not. Because the one who says they did not said so because the one who said they did did so without any verifiable evidence contrary to the one who said they did not.


While the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, neither is it confirmation of existence. In the scientific method http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method#Elements_of_scientific_method, you see the proposal of affirmative hypotheses. The quest is then to investigate these hypotheses. The key is to determine testable means of figuring out the truth of nature, or developing some sort of guideline that offers testable predictions (ex. Newton's laws). If it so happens that little evidence is found to support a hypothesis, the investigator must analyze why. If no affirmative evidence can be found, the hypothesis must be rejected or altered.

Unfortunately for you guys here, the ancient astronaut concept is an idea that long ago was found to have little evidence that could only be explained by aliens. All proponents of ancient astronauts describe their hypothesis in terms of could have been, without any actual evidence. All proposed evidence for ancient astronauts is easily countered by explanation and investigation into the actual practices and beliefs of ancient societies. Even if such a conclusion cannot be reached for every claim - due to the lack of preservation of historical records, etc. - the mere fact that in other more documented civilizations we have found no evidence of such interaction (egyptian hieroglyphs clearly indicate a very human source for the building of their wonders, we even know the names of some of the engineers!), indicates that there is no reason to cling to the affirmative about ancient astronauts.

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Message 1160122 - Posted: 8 Oct 2011, 8:34:46 UTC

The stones on Easter Island were positioned on hillsides and were oriented to look out to sea. The belief was that these statues, which originally had white-ish stones for their huge eyes, would scare away any potential invaders or settlers.

Apparently some don't.

The most visible element in the culture was the production of massive statues called moai that represented deified ancestors. It was believed that the living had a symbiotic relationship with the dead where the dead provided everything that the living needed (health, fertility of land and animals, fortune etc.) and the living through offerings provided the dead with a better place in the spirit world. Most settlements were located on the coast and moai were erected along the coastline, watching over their descendants in the settlements before them, with their backs toward the spirit world in the sea.

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Message 1160167 - Posted: 8 Oct 2011, 12:24:52 UTC

Earth's shadow across the moon shows Earth's round.

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Message 1160168 - Posted: 8 Oct 2011, 12:27:28 UTC - in response to Message 1157512.

If the Giza pyramids were built by Alien.


If?

Is there anyone who doubts that it was built by aliens. It's a given, an axiom, that it was built by aliens. Anything else is just "flat earth society" ramblings.

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Message 1160172 - Posted: 8 Oct 2011, 12:43:32 UTC

There is no concrete proof either way Sten, I only wish there was. I know what I believe but others think differently. I do think there is some cause for believing that they may have used technology which wouldn't have been expected in their time, but there you are.

The Nazca plain is even more fascinating ....

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Message 1160184 - Posted: 8 Oct 2011, 13:29:53 UTC - in response to Message 1160172.

There is no concrete proof either way Sten, I only wish there was. I know what I believe but others think differently. I do think there is some cause for believing that they may have used technology which wouldn't have been expected in their time, but there you are.

The Nazca plain is even more fascinating ....


That's the big question Chris, if they visited this planet why is there no concrete evidence to prove this. There's always the possibility that they did drop by but it was just a fleeting visit. This being the reason we have these vague images of possible aliens found on cave walls.

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Message 1160299 - Posted: 8 Oct 2011, 19:11:56 UTC

I continue to see that the "evidence" for aliens consists of interpretations of mythological content. So they painted eyes. So their myths say that magicians commanded the statues to walk. What of it? No mythological claim has yet proven true. You cannot hope to demonstrate your point if you rest on the claims of mythology.

Perhaps you should re-watch this part of Carl Sagan's Cosmos.

The larger issue is that it is not intellectually responsible to immediately explain away some unknown or apparently incomprehensible event merely by claiming aliens did it (reference image I first posted). As scientists we must search for and find the truth of nature - be it the cosmos, the earth, or ourselves.

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Message 1160336 - Posted: 8 Oct 2011, 20:41:07 UTC - in response to Message 1160299.
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I continue to see that the "evidence" for aliens consists of interpretations of mythological content. So they painted eyes. So their myths say that magicians commanded the statues to walk. What of it? No mythological claim has yet proven true. You cannot hope to demonstrate your point if you rest on the claims of mythology.

Perhaps you should re-watch this part of Carl Sagan's Cosmos.

The larger issue is that it is not intellectually responsible to immediately explain away some unknown or apparently incomprehensible event merely by claiming aliens did it (reference image I first posted). As scientists we must search for and find the truth of nature - be it the cosmos, the earth, or ourselves.


Kev, that's pure human nature in action here. Even the greatest scientist's are driven by belief in something way before they discover the evidence to support this belief. To some having a belief is the driving force behind finding the evidence so just how many of our eminent scientists have been driven this way.
Yes, some people are too quick to ascribe a cause to an event without sufficient evidence to support this cause. I think here that this comes from working with second hand information and really not knowing what is fact and what is fiction when something gets presented to you. To this end you fail to sort the wheat from the chaff because you assume all that you get given in support of your belief, because it supports your belief, must then all be factual.

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Message 1160429 - Posted: 9 Oct 2011, 0:04:20 UTC - in response to Message 1160336.

To this end you fail to sort the wheat from the chaff because you assume all that you get given in support of your belief, because it supports your belief, must then all be factual.

It is also common for supporters of fringe ideas to accuse others of confirmation bias as the reason for rejecting their ideas.

For that purpose, let's consider the original post from September 30. The OP described an alleged alignment of pyramid shafts with stars and constellations. It makes perfect sense that an ancient alien aficionado would immediately assume that aliens, having of course designed the pyramids, would have arranged for such an alignment, and that vast quantities of unavailable resources should be spent investigating.

However, not even once is considered the fact that the position of the constellations in the sky is non-constant. We know that the ecliptic (the plane formed by the Earth's orbit around the sun) oscillates over time (period depends on your reference point, either 70,000 or 100,000 years) - not to mention the much faster precession and nutation of the equinoxes. This means that an incredibly advanced civilization would have, at best, left an unreliable map, built with the technology of man rather than their own. Considering the level of technology necessary for interstellar travel, they must have known - if they exist/existed - how the Earth moved, and likely how to replicate parts of their own technology on Earth. Why is none of this apparent - if it is aliens who designed the pyramids?

We may all believe what we wish to believe, but nature exists regardless of our convictions. All I ask is that you be honest about the evidence - the wheat and the chaff, as you say. Every time an ancient astronaut support speaks/writes, it's pretty much old Giorgio and his aliens again.

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Message 1160450 - Posted: 9 Oct 2011, 1:41:19 UTC - in response to Message 1160429.

lets also not forget that nasty Galactic drift that moves stars around. After 5000 years nothing really lines up like it should
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Message 1160453 - Posted: 9 Oct 2011, 1:49:35 UTC - in response to Message 1160429.

To this end you fail to sort the wheat from the chaff because you assume all that you get given in support of your belief, because it supports your belief, must then all be factual.

It is also common for supporters of fringe ideas to accuse others of confirmation bias as the reason for rejecting their ideas.

For that purpose, let's consider the original post from September 30. The OP described an alleged alignment of pyramid shafts with stars and constellations. It makes perfect sense that an ancient alien aficionado would immediately assume that aliens, having of course designed the pyramids, would have arranged for such an alignment, and that vast quantities of unavailable resources should be spent investigating.

However, not even once is considered the fact that the position of the constellations in the sky is non-constant. We know that the ecliptic (the plane formed by the Earth's orbit around the sun) oscillates over time (period depends on your reference point, either 70,000 or 100,000 years) - not to mention the much faster precession and nutation of the equinoxes. This means that an incredibly advanced civilization would have, at best, left an unreliable map, built with the technology of man rather than their own. Considering the level of technology necessary for interstellar travel, they must have known - if they exist/existed - how the Earth moved, and likely how to replicate parts of their own technology on Earth. Why is none of this apparent - if it is aliens who designed the pyramids?

We may all believe what we wish to believe, but nature exists regardless of our convictions. All I ask is that you be honest about the evidence - the wheat and the chaff, as you say. Every time an ancient astronaut support speaks/writes, it's pretty much old Giorgio and his aliens again.


I understand exactly what your saying and your stand-point here. I too find it quite frustrating how people try to ascribe things as proof of alien visitations
when what they have as evidence is no real evidence at all. Personally I don't believe we have been visited by aliens and to this I will also add that I think we are the only intelligent (human type life) in our universe. So like you I keep searching though via Seti for I could be wrong.

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