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Message 1157512 - Posted: 30 Sep 2011, 17:44:49 UTC

If the Giza pyramids were built by Alien.



and the shafts pointing to constellation Orion, Sirius, Beta Ursa Minor and Alpha Draconis.
That means the Alien could come from these constellation.
That means we should search for radio signal from these constellation intensively?

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Message 1157545 - Posted: 30 Sep 2011, 19:43:57 UTC

Hi Ancient. Yep the Ancient Egpytians were certanly sure where they thought their Gods came from.

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Message 1157973 - Posted: 1 Oct 2011, 18:49:05 UTC

My question is are those shafts pointing at the stars now? What were they pointing at 4500 years ago?
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Message 1157982 - Posted: 1 Oct 2011, 19:15:39 UTC

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Message 1158006 - Posted: 1 Oct 2011, 20:42:47 UTC - in response to Message 1157512.

The only problem is we know the pyramids were built by humans, not aliens.

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Message 1158141 - Posted: 2 Oct 2011, 4:28:50 UTC - in response to Message 1158006.

The only problem is we know the pyramids were built by humans, not aliens.


ok, the pyramids were built by humans....maybe with the help of alien's technology.

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Message 1158142 - Posted: 2 Oct 2011, 4:32:47 UTC - in response to Message 1158141.

The only problem is we know the pyramids were built by humans, not aliens.


ok, the pyramids were built by humans....maybe with the help of alien's technology.


There is no evidence to support that claim.

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Message 1158179 - Posted: 2 Oct 2011, 9:25:33 UTC
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There is no evidence to support that claim.

In terms of hard scientific facts that no-one disputes you are correct, but there are plenty of theories though! If you submitted plans of the pyramids to the worlds biggest construction firms, they couldn't build one today even with 21C technology. They don't have cranes that could lift stones that heavy that high.

Remember the legends of Persian flying carpets? Ever seen a Maglev train? or how about this Carpet

Q1. Are we catching up with alien technology?

Q2. Are re-discovering what the ancients once knew thousands of years ago?

Q3. Atlantis anyone?

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Message 1158191 - Posted: 2 Oct 2011, 9:53:56 UTC - in response to Message 1158179.
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We could build the pyramids today with comparative ease. It is nonsense and folklore to assume otherwise. As evidence, look at the Washinton Monument and the Hoover Dam. The ancients also knew how to cut, move and assemble large blocks of stone to close tolerances. Also, they were superb mathematicians. A stupendous feat to be sure, but well within the capabilities of competent engineers, the wheel, roller logs and thousands of workers/slaves.

I am sure you can find books and TV programs on how they did it.

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Message 1158208 - Posted: 2 Oct 2011, 11:59:05 UTC

Theory

Aliens didn't help them build the pyramids directly, of course they didn't. But they may have used alien supplied technology from many thousands of years before.

I can't prove they did, and you can't prove they didn't. Stalemate!

We all believe what we want to believe.

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Message 1158261 - Posted: 2 Oct 2011, 14:38:37 UTC - in response to Message 1158208.

Science doesn't work like that Chris. Science takes observable evidence and tries to draw a conclusion from it. We have not seen any evidence of ancient alien technology having ever existed.

Saying "I can't prove there were ancient alien technology, but you can't prove there weren't" is unacceptable for any critically peer-reviewed theory or idea. If there is no direct evidence, then there's no reason to draw the conclusion or to put any belief in it being true.

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Message 1158328 - Posted: 2 Oct 2011, 18:39:15 UTC

We have not seen any evidence of ancient alien technology having ever existed.


Hi Ozz,

Not scientifically provable evidence by todays accepted standards, I grant you. But there are many cases where ancient civilisations appear to have demonstrated technology or knowledge, that simply is unexpected given their place in the timescale of history.

I suggest that there is reasonable cause for doubt whether in some cases, a previous incarnation of mankind had knowledge which has died out, or that mankind was "given" some knowledge ahead of their time.

Far too many scientists have blinkered outlooks and are not prepared "officially" to think outside the box, and consider unorthodox ideas. Professorships are hard to come by these days.

Ok perhaps we will have to agree to disagree on this one, but I'd love to buy you a beer one day :-)

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Message 1158341 - Posted: 2 Oct 2011, 19:17:22 UTC - in response to Message 1158328.

It's not unthinkable that these civilizations intended to keep their knowledge for themselves to show their true might, only to see that knowledge lost once that civilization falls due to their own arrogance.

If they were given help or technology by a more advanced, visiting civilization, there would be clear and direct evidence, but there is none.

I don't think nearly as many professors have a hard time thinking outside the box as you suggest. Knowledge and research has shown there's no reason or evidence to support the claims. Thinking outside the box in this case suggests a faithful decision to go against all evidence, which most smart professors aren't about to do.

We can agree to disagree as you always suggest, or we can try to come to conclusions using the facts. Its quite kind of you to offer a beer, but I don't drink beer. :-)

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Message 1158346 - Posted: 2 Oct 2011, 20:05:26 UTC
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Ozzfan,
We all know that, in your world, the only things that are real are the things that are proven and published in peer-reviewed scientific journals. We know your skeptical of anything thats not peer-reviewed.

But for the other 99.99% of the people on this planet, we want to explore other possibilities!! We want to chat about and discuss the weird and wonderful things. This forum is NOT a peer-reviewed journal so if you don't like people chatting about unusual science, then don't participate in these threads. Don't spoil the fun for everyone else Ozzfan with your peer-review and your over-enthusiastic skepticism.

If we want to believe aliens built the pyramids, then we are free to discuss the topic. If we want to believe in God or Aliens, we are free to do so. Its good to be skeptical, its very bad to be so skeptical that you shout down everyone else.

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Message 1158354 - Posted: 2 Oct 2011, 20:31:35 UTC - in response to Message 1158346.
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John,

We all know that, in your world, the only things that are real are the things that are proven and published in peer-reviewed scientific journals. We know your skeptical of anything thats not peer-reviewed.


I like what you did here. Stating that only in "my world" as if I'm nearly alone in my views and they're far from reality. Try to prove your points by focusing on the topic, not attacking the person who holds a different view.

But for the other 99.99% of the people on this planet,


Here, you're furthering the suggestion that I'm part of .01% of the population that prefers substantive evidence while everyone else just follows their own ignorance. Obviously this is a made-up statistic attempting to illustrate that my views are not popular and therefore have no significance in any discussion.

Nothing more than ad hominem attacks, and this method of argument says more about you than it does about me.

...we want to explore other possibilities!! We want to chat about and discuss the weird and wonderful things. This forum is NOT a peer-reviewed journal so if you don't like people chatting about unusual science, then don't participate in these threads. Don't spoil the fun for everyone else Ozzfan with your peer-review and your over-enthusiastic skepticism.

If we want to believe aliens built the pyramids, then we are free to discuss the topic. If we want to believe in God or Aliens, we are free to do so. Its good to be skeptical, its very bad to be so skeptical that you shout down everyone else.


...and why am I not allowed to be part of the discussion? Why am I not free to argue the facts? Or are you implying that alternate views and facts have no place in discussions like this? Is it that you only want people who agree with you to share in the discussion so you can all back yourselves into a groupthink type of situation? Do you or do you not want to get down to the facts including if that means that the ancient alien theory is incorrect? One must be ready to accept all possibilities. I'd have no problem with the ancient alien theory if there were more evidence to support the theory.

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Message 1158432 - Posted: 3 Oct 2011, 3:30:24 UTC
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Ozzfan,
I want you to take part in the discussions here about different parts of ancient alien theory. Its good that you do take part in the discussions, its important!! We need to be skeptical of our own understanding of ancient alien theory so we don't get too carried away.

But Ozzfan all i ask of you is that you be a little bit more objective. Yes, be skeptical and criticise the various discussions about ancient aliens and God or whatever. But try to view it as just another alternative. You can be skeptical without 100% knocking everything people suggest.

People on this forum have different levels of science education, so just be gentle and allow people to chat without killing the discussion. Its was Carl Sagan himself that said that schools should "encourage" young minds to explore science in stead of trying to get everybody to conform to one rule book.

I'm glad you do argue with us in these ancient alien threads, it helps to keep the discussion real!
Its good that people investigate Ancient aliens!
Its good that people investigate UFO's
Its good that people investigate Ghosts, Ghouls and Goblins!
Its good that people investigate the Paranormal

Its good that people investigate the weird and wonderful, it makes life more interesting even if its left-wing science and never ends up in a scientific journal. Its good we live in countries that allow people the freedom to think outside the box without being arrested and imprisoned. Its good we have press and media that are allowed to publish whatever they want. Free press is a free society and allows freedom of expression. You don't have to "conform" to science journals and peer-review.

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Message 1158476 - Posted: 3 Oct 2011, 9:39:40 UTC - in response to Message 1158432.
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The ancients who passed on knowledge to the Egyptians were the Babylonians. The quarries where the stones were cut and polished have been found. Transport was by raft down the Nile.

Piles of brick, rubble and earth were formed into ramps and logs were used as rollers. Sleds were used pulled by Oxen. Sleds have been found--they look just like the one in the drawing below. The stones were then pulled along by ropes up the gently sloping ramps. Logs were used as rollers. The stones were then levered into place.

The ramps, which exceeded the volume of the pyramid, were later removed. Ramps have been uncovered as well in unfinished pyramids.

Stones in all phases of extraction have been found along various quarries.

Centuries later the Romans moved 1000 ton blocks using similar technology. As I said earlier, a marvelous feat , but one that yields to imagination, knowledge of simple physics and common sense.

You may also find video's on legitimate science channels on how this wonder was created.

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Message 1158501 - Posted: 3 Oct 2011, 14:55:05 UTC - in response to Message 1158432.
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John,

I want you to take part in the discussions here about different parts of ancient alien theory. Its good that you do take part in the discussions, its important!! We need to be skeptical of our own understanding of ancient alien theory so we don't get too carried away.


So you want me to simply involve myself in your groupthink by pretending your theories hold water.

But Ozzfan all i ask of you is that you be a little bit more objective. Yes, be skeptical and criticise the various discussions about ancient aliens and God or whatever. But try to view it as just another alternative. You can be skeptical without 100% knocking everything people suggest.


I assure you I'm nothing if not objective. I knock what other people suggest because it doesn't hold up to any sort of critical thinking. You have to actively ignore evidence to the contrary while making several assumptions just to come to the same conclusions. I'm not just being skeptical, I'm allowing the evidence to lead me to the conclusion while marking alternative ideas as silly and frivolous. If that makes people mad, then perhaps they shouldn't be looking for discussion of their theories unless they want groupthink.

People on this forum have different levels of science education, so just be gentle and allow people to chat without killing the discussion. Its was Carl Sagan himself that said that schools should "encourage" young minds to explore science in stead of trying to get everybody to conform to one rule book.


Exploring science is one thing, but exploring fantastic ideas because someone interpreted an image a specific way, or because people ignore facts that don't conform to their theory isn't science. I'm sorry if that kills the discussion, but such discussions deserve a quick death so we can get on with the real science. Somehow I don't think that even Carl would waste too much time on theories that lack substantiating evidence, which is precisely what he meant by exploring science... not fantasy.

Its good that people investigate the weird and wonderful, it makes life more interesting even if its left-wing science and never ends up in a scientific journal. Its good we live in countries that allow people the freedom to think outside the box without being arrested and imprisoned. Its good we have press and media that are allowed to publish whatever they want. Free press is a free society and allows freedom of expression. You don't have to "conform" to science journals and peer-review.


I would never support imprisoning people because they believe or follow wacky theories, but I do feel its a large waste of our resources to try to make the data match our conclusions. Sure, you're free to believe in whatever you want and call it "science", but always know that a real scientist is going to check your facts and debunk your assumptions and mistakes. These people aren't just "denialists" or simply "critics" who can't accept alternate ideas, these are people who are looking for the truth just as much as you are... and the only way to the truth is by observing and examining all data, not just the stuff that supports your theories.

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Message 1158526 - Posted: 3 Oct 2011, 16:16:44 UTC

The point is that there is ample hard evidence to support that the Pyramids were constructed by clever, brute force methods entirely by the Egyptians. There is not one shred of evidence that they were built either by or under the guidance of UFO pilots.

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Message 1158530 - Posted: 3 Oct 2011, 16:21:51 UTC

Aliens, had they visited this planet then this event would have left it's impression to an extent greater than that left behind by both Jesus Christ and Mohamed. This marked event of Aliens having visited us does not exist so clearly one can assume this visit did not take place. There does appear though to be anecdotal evidence in cave drawings and various artifacts that could be construed to show that an alien visit may have taken place some time in the past. I do wounder though how much evidence we get presented with is fact and how much of it is fiction. But still, we should keep looking for this evidence, on this planet and out into space too. They may have been here but as yet we have not found the perfect evidence to support it. Terrible too to think that we may have been visited and that the aliens failed to leave indisputable evidence of this fact, and now they may have become extinct so know one will know anything about their existence. When we finally manage to visit other planets there's no way we will not leave behind permanent evidence to our visitation.

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